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SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS AND SURVEY

UNITED STATES SENATE
SIXTY-NINTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

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COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS AND SURVEYS •

ROBERT N. STANFIELD, Oregon, Chairman REED SMOOT, Utah.

KEY PITTMAN, Nevada... PETER NORBECK, South Dakota.

ANDRIEUS A. JONES, New Mexico. RALPH CAMERON, Arizona.

JOHN B. KENDRICK, Wyoming. SELDEN P. SPENCER, Missouri.

THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana. TASKER L. ODDIE, Nevada.

HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona. PORTER H. DALE, Vermont.

C. C. DILL, Washington.
EDWIN F. LADD, North Dakota

R. J. DOOLEY, Clerk

SUBCOMMITTEE ON S. RES. 347

ROBERT N. STANFIELD, Oregon, Chairman RALPH CAMERON, Arizona.

KEY PITTMAN, Nevada. SELDEN P. SPENCER, Missouri,

ANDRIEUS A. JONES, New Mexico. TASKER L. ODDIE, Nevada.

JOHN B. KENDRICK, Wyoming. PORTER H. DALE, Vermont.

C. C. DILL, Washington.

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CONTENTS

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fatements of-

Hon. Robert N. Stanfield-----

Mr. E. A. Sherman, Col. W. B. Greeley, and Mr. Will C. Barnes_

ange appraisal report, by C. E. Rachford.

bazing regulations.-----------------

Index to -------

tatements of-

Hon. Edward C. Finney-----

Col. W. B. Greeley---

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NATIONAL FORESTS AND THE PUBLIC DOMAIN

FRIDAY, APRIL 17, 1925

UNITED STATES SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE
ON PUBLIC LANDS AND SURVEYS,

Washington, D. C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10.30 o'clock a. m., in the committee room, Capitol, Senator Robert M. Stanfield (chairman) presiding.

The CHAIRMAX. The committee will come to order. I will ask the officinal reporter to make a part of the record the resolution under which this subcommittee is sitting:

Senate Resolution 347 I Resolved, That the Committee on Public Lands and Surveys, or any duly apthorized subcommittee thereof, is authorized to investigate all matters relating to national forests and to the public domain and their administration, including grazing lands, forest reserves, and other reservations and apds withdrawn from entry. For the purpose of this resolution such committee or subcommittee is authorized to hold hearings and to sit and act at orh places and times; to employ such experts and clerical, stenographic, bd other assistants; to require by subpæna or otherwise the attendance of

ch witnesses and the production of such books, papers, and documents; to administer such oaths and to take such testimony and make such expenditures as it deems advisable. The cost of stenographic service to report such learings shall not be in excess of 25 cents per hundred words. The expenses of such committee or subcommittee shall be paid from the contingent fund ef the Senate. The committee or subcommittee shall make a final report to the Senate as to its findings at the beginning of the first regular session of the Sixty-ninth Congress, together with recommendations for such legislation # it deems necessary.

The CHAIRMAN. Furthermore, I have prepared a statement as to the purposes of this subcommittee:

The provisions of Senate resolution 347 place no limit upon the sonpe of investigations by the Committee on Public Lands into matters relating to the public domain and the national forests. The committee has power to investigate, and to recommend legislation in connection with, any or all phases of the utilization or disposition of the lands themselves, the forage growing thereon, and the timber, mineral, or other resources in or upon these areas.

The unreserved and unappropriated public domain now consists of 185.333.272 acres. The present area of the national forests is 196,652,805 acres. The percentage which these lands bear to the areas of the States in which they are located is shown on Table I attached to this statement.

The public domain and national forest lands are located chiefly in the States of Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, NeTada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. A

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