lin Landers," and marked Exhibit Z, to the deposition of James A. Wildman, and state if that is the ticket used by the Democrats at the State election in 1880? (Objected to for the reasons above stated.)

A. I think it is.

Q. I will ask you to fold those two tickets as votes are ordinarily folded when being voted, and state if there is any difference in the appearance and width of those tickets, especially in the width ?-A. Yes, sir; there is a difference.

Q. State if you could tell the difference between those tickets by feeling?-A. Yes, I think I can tell by feeling; I could by sight I know.

Q. State if there is not a more marked difference between those two State tickets, voted in 1880, by sight than there is between the two tickets voted in this city in 1882-A. Yes, sir; I think there is.

Q. By looking at them by sight when folded ?-A. Yes, sir; there is, I think.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. When were you appointed collector?-A. The 15th day of July, 1882.

Q. You say you do not remember any complaint being made at that precinct by any one of the character of this Republican ticket; I will ask you, do you not recollect that Senator McDonald drove up there in his buggy and walked up close to the chute and a crowd got around him and he took those tickets out and most earnestly protested against the use of them and spoke of them as "spring back" tickets, and went on and denounced them at that precinct on the morning of the election, not long after the polls were opened?-A. No, sir; I do not remember of seeing Senator McDonald that day. It might have been, but I do not recollect him.

Q. Were you a member of the election board at that precinct that day, or were you one of the judges or inspectors?-A. No, sir; I was outside.

Q. You were upon the outside?—A. Yes, sir; all the day; I don't say I was at dinner time; I was at dinner about 30 or 40 minutes probably.

Q. That Republican national ticket to which Mr. Peelle called your attention marked Exhibit F to the deposition of Mr. Wallace is gotten up on very stout material, is it not?-A. What do you mean by stout; thick?

Q. Yes; thick and compact, and finished so as to give it an elastic character.-A. Well, I don't know, comparatively speaking; you would have to compare it with something weaker than that to call it stout.

Q. As compared with the Democratic ticket at that election?—A. Yes, sir; it is heavier than the Democratic ticket, I believe.

Q. What difference is there between that Republican ticket used at that election— the national ticket-and the Republican ticket used at the November election, 1882, as to material?-A. I am not judge enough of paper to tell much about that.

Q. I am just asking you as to the elastic character-the thickness, finish, and polish-A. This Republican State ticket has not been handled as much as the national ticket, so it is pretty hard to tell; you cannot compare these because they are not all

the same.

Q. From the mere appearance of the paper, what would you say was the general difference, if any, between the two Republican tickets; the one used in November, 1882, and the one used at the national election by the Republicans in 1880?—A. I don't believe from handling there is much difference.

Q. There is a great difference in length?-A. Yes, sir; of course.

Q. There is considerable difference in the width ?-A. Yes, sir; certainly a difference in width and length.

Q. Looking at the Republican State ticket to which Mr. Peelle first called your at tention, marked Exhibit C, to the deposition of William Wallace, I ask you to look at that paper and say whether or not it is on a slick and glossy material back and front? -A. It is a smooth ticket I see by the finish.

Q. It is a smooth ticket and a good deal narrower than the Republican ticket that you say was used in November, 1882, is it not?-A. Yes; it is narrower.

Q. I call your attention now to three tickets: the Democratic ticket, with the flag on it, marked Exhibit G to the deposition of David Swain, and the Democratic ticket marked Exhibit B to the deposition of C. F. Holliday, and the Democratic ticket marked Exhibit E to the deposition of William Wallace, the three tickets having been used; the flag ticket in 1880, Exhibit B in 1882, at the November election, and the national ticket in 1850. Making allowance for time, I will ask you if there is not uniformity in the character of the material upon which they are printed-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Substantial uniformity now?-There is a difference in the width of the national

ticket and the other two.

Q. The other two are about three inches wide, are they not; about the same width !— A. There is a difference between those voted in October and November; a slight differ ence, perhaps an eighth of an inch, between the two State tickets.

Q. Do you call that au eighth of an inch?-A. It is a little over a sixteenth; it is

very close to an eighth; it is just exactly an eighth. There is a difference of exactly an eighth.

Q. My question was as to the substantial difference, if any, between the quality of the material upon which they are printed.-A. I am not judge enough of paper to

say.

Q. Mr. Peelle asked you a similar question about the other ticket?-A. He did not ask me anything about that.

Q. What do you say about the appearance of them?-A. If they are different, so far as the quality of the paper is concerned, I cannot tell you anything about that; I do not know anything about that.

Q. Is there not a more marked difference in the quality of the three Republican tickets voted at the corresponding times than there is between the three Democratic tickets that are there on the table before you?-A. I cannot tell about the quality. Q. What about the appearance; how do they appear to you?—A. These taken together-of course that is the way you want me to take them?

Q. Yes, sir; the Republican tickets taken together, as to the appearance and quality.-A. Yes, sir; those two of the Republicans are alike, and these two are almost alike; there is about an eighth of an inch there.

Q. I am asking you about the appearance of the quality of the paper.-A. The trouble is here, that you have one substantially new and one very old; I cannot tell. Of course one is lighter paper than the other.

Q. Speaking of the color?-A. Yes sir.

Q. Then you cannot answer those questions?-A. No, sir; I do not feel competent to answer as to the quality, for I never dealt in paper.

Q. Mr. Peelle asked you if there were any tickets voted together?-A. He asked me if I knew of any; I do not know of any."

Q. You were not there when they were counted ?-A. No, sir; I went away as soon as the polls closed.

Q. Therefore, you do not know anything about that?—A. No, sir.

Q. I understand you to say that at the time you were there acting in the capacity you have described, you were United States collector?-A. Yes, sir; you understood

me so.

Q. Did not Mr. Peelle recommend you to that office?-A. What office?

Q. United States collector?-A. I do not know whether he did or not.

Q. You do not know even whether he favored you?-A. I do not know that I need

to answer that question. I do not know anything about his recommendation.

Q. Did he promise to recommend you ?-A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ask him to recommend you ?-A. No, sir; I never did. You can put Mr. Peelle on the stand and ask him the same question.

Questions by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. Your appointment is one that is controlled and recognized as being controlled by the Senator-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you hear any complaint, or hear anybody intimate that anybody had voted more than one ballot there?-A. I did not.

HORACE MCKAY.

HUGH J. DRUMMOND, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. State your name, age, and residence.-A. Hugh J. Drummond; my age is 41; my residence is 277 South Missouri street, Indianapolis, Indiana.

Q. What is your occupation ?—A. I work at Drew & Wasson's, shipping and collecting. Q. What is their business ?-A. The coal business.

Q. How long have you been in the coal business?-A. The first day of May of this year.

Q. Have you any trade or profession?-A. Yes, sir; I am a baker by trade.

Q. How long have you lived in this city?-A. Twenty-three years.

Q. State if you attended the Congressional election in this city in 1882, in November.-A. I did.

Q. What precinct and ward ?-A. The 1st precinct of the 16th ward.

Q. Did you act in any official capacity?-A. As a worker and challenger. I challenged that day for Mr. Astley, whose brother Sam died a short time ago, and he was sick.

Q. What portion of the time were you there ?-A. I was there from the time the polls opened until probably one o'clock, and then I went and got dinner, and I was there until they closed.

Q. How long were you at dinner?-A. Probably half an hour to an hour.

Q. Was there any complaint made there that day about this Republican ticket by any one? and, if so, state.-A. Not that I remember of.

Q. Was you in a position to know and hear if there had been any complaint made?-A. Well, standing there I would have heard of it, I think.

Q. Did you see the tickets as they were voted by both parties there?-A. Yes, sir. Q. How far were you from the ballot-box?—A. I suppose probably three feet or three and a half.

Q. I hand you a ticket headed "Republican ticket," and marked Exhibit A to the deposition of Mr. Holliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket used and voted by the Republicans on that day at that precinct.-A. I believe that is the ticket.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Democratic ticket," and marked Exhibit B to the deposition of Mr. Holliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket that was voted by the Democrats at that precinct on that day?-A. I presume it is;

yes.

Q. I will ask you to state if, when those tickets are folded with the names on the inside, as tickets are usually and ordinarily folded by voters, you could tell or distinguish by sight, as the voters were going to the box to deposit their tickets, one from the other.-A. You mean when they were voted?

Q. When the tickets were ordinarily folded, could you tell by the external appearance of the ticket what ticket a man was voting?-A. I never could.

Q. Did you make any effort to do that that day?-A. No, I did not. That is the first time I have ever challenged. I have been on election boards a good many times, and there are so few Republican voters down there that I generally know who would vote the Republican ticket, and I made no special effort, and I never was able to distinguish one ticket from the other, that I know of. In fact, I never charged my memory with it, and did not do anything of that kind. Q. You are a Republican ?-A. Yes, sir.

HUGH J. DRUMMOND.

By agreement of the parties the further taking of these depositions was adjourned until Monday, November 12, 1883.

The parties met pursuant to adjournment.

MONDAY, November 12th, 1883.

HENRY SALISBURY, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. State your age, name and residence.-A. Henry Salisbury; age, 63; residence, Indianapolis, Indiana.

Q. How long have you resided in Indianapolis?-A. I have been here since 1869. Q. What business are you engaged in ?-A. Paper manufacturing.

Q. What is the name of your firm?-A. The Salisbury & Vinton Paper Company. Q. Have you been in that business since you have been in this city-A. Yes, sir. Q. What business were you in prior to that time?-A. Before I came here I was in the same business.

Q. Where were you engaged in that business?-A. Springfield, Massachusetts. Q. Engaged in the manufacturing of paper in Springfield, Mass. ?-A. Yes, sir; my mill was not there, but I resided there, and did business there.

Q. Were you ever engaged in the business of paper dealing?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. How long were you engaged in that business?-A. Nine years.

Q. What kind of paper did you handle as a dealer?-A. Nearly all grades of paper -fine papers and coarse papers.

Q. What kind of paper do you manufacture in your mill in this city?-A. Principallynews."

Q. Do you manufacture any other kinds?-A. Some little "book."

Q. How high a grade of "book" do you make?-A. About medium quality; not a very high grade.

Q. I hand you a ticket headed "Republican Ticket," and marked Exhibit A, to the deposition of C. F. Holliday, and I will ask you to take that ticket and examine it carefully and state what kind of paper it is printed on, if you can ?-A. I should call that a "book" paper.

Q. About what weight would you call that, say 19x24, five hundred sheets to the ream?-A. I should think about forty pounds.

Q. About forty pounds, 19x24?-A. Somewheres about that; I cannot tell it exactly. Q. Take its size 25x38, five hundred sheets to the ream, and how much more would it weigh than that?-A. Nearly twice as much more.

Q. You think about eighty pounds?-A. About eighty pounds.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Republican Ticket," which was put in evi.

dence in this case by the contestant, on the cross-examination of William Wallace, and which is marked Exhibit Q to the deposition of William Wallace, and I will ask you to take that ticket and examine it carefully, and compare it with the ticket you have in your hand and state what difference, if any, there is between the paper of the two tickets?-A. I should say it was a little better grade of paper, perhaps. Q. What ticket is that; the one I handed you last ?-A. Yes, sir; possibly.

Q. Which is the better grade?-A. I should call that one the nicest paper of the two.

Q. That is the ticket marked Exhibit Q to the deposition of William Wallace?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. In what way is it a better grade?-A. It is a little better quality, and possibly a little better stock; more in its color than its stock.

Q. What difference do you think there would be between the weight of a ream of that and the weight of a ream like that which I first handed you, the same size?— A. There would be very little difference, I should think, from the feeling of it; possibly it is a little mite the heaviest of the two, I judge.

Q. The one marked Exhibit Q to the deposition of William Wallace ?-A. Yes, sir. Q. About how much heavier would you think it a ream?-A. Perhaps ten pounds, I cannot say exactly; It might not be as much as that.

Q. I now hand you a ticket, which has been considerably handled, headed "Republican Ticket," and marked Exhibit F to the deposition of William Wallace, with the words on it, For President, James A. Garfield," and I will ask you to examine that and state, as near as you can, the kind of material that ticket is printed on?-A. I should think it was a rag paper, made of rags; that is the material that it is made of. Q. What particular kind of paper?-A. That is book paper.

Q. What is the difference between the weight of that ticket, if any, and the ticket you hold in your hand, especially the one first handed you and marked Exhibit A to the deposition of Mr. Holliday?-A. I should say there was about twenty pounds, 25 x 38.

Q. I will ask you to state, when that paper is in sheets 19 x 24 or 25 x 38, what it is known as in the trade?-A. It is known as "book" paper.

Q. What is the color of that paper-I mean those tickets voted in 1882?—A. It is what they call white paper.

Q. Is it, or not, plain white paper?-A. I should say it was plain white paper.
Q. I believe you are a Republican?-A. Yes, sir; not a very violent politician
Q. You never occupied any official position?-A. No, sir.

Q. You never was a candidate for office?-A. No, I think not.

Q. I now hand you a ticket marked Exhibit B to the deposition of Mr. C. F. Holliday, and headed "Democratic ticket," and I will ask you to state what kind of paper that ticket is printed on?-A. I should call that a "book" paper.

Q. Is there any difference in the finish of the two Republican tickets I handed you, one being introduced in the deposition of Mr. Holliday, and the other in William Wallace's deposition?-A. Very little. Perhaps that one marked Q is a little finer. Q. That one marked Q to the deposition of William Wallace?-A. Yes, sir; there is very little difference in the finish.

Q. I will ask you to state whether or not bristol board or card-board is known as paper in the trade, and handled and sold as such?—A. Not as paper, and yet it is paper; but is known by name as bristol-board or card-board.

Q. I will ask you to state if at the mill in this city, of which you are one of the proprietors, you can manufacture book paper as heavy as the paper upon which that Republican ticket is printed-I mean the one marked Exhibit A to the deposition of Mr. Holliday, that I first handed you?-A. Yes, sir; we could.

Q. What is the finish of those two tickets, the first one I handed you?-A. It is calendered paper; nothing fine, but a good, fair quality of calendered paper.

Q. Would you say it is what is termed super-calendered?—A. No, sir; I should not say it was.

Q. Is it sized?-A. It is sized, probably.

Q. What is the process of calendering paper?-A. Simply running through heavy iron rollers.

Q. State what difference there is, if any, in the process of manufacturing the paper upon which those Republican tickets are printed, and the process of manufacturing the paper upon which that Democratic ticket is printed ?-A. I would not suppose there is any difference.

Q. Is there any difference in the material, the stock?-A. No, sir; not much, I do not think; simply a lighter weight.

Q. Then, as a matter of fact, the stock is the same and the process of manufacturing the same, except that the heavier tickets are run through the rollers a little more to put a finer finish or calender on ?-A. That is all.

Q. State if that paper upon which that Democratic ticket is printed has been calendered?-A. It has been calendered, but not so much.

Q. State, now, if either of the tickets that I handed you are what is termed “toned" paper.-A. I hardly understand the word "toned" used in connection with paper, unless it means color.

Q. Has there been any coloring of those Republican tickets I handed you—any coloring matter put in them?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What is it ?—A. Probably there was a little bluing used in giving them their shade.

Q. State if in the absence of bluing, paper could be made as white as that paper upon whith the Republican tickets are printed?—A. It is possible. It may be with some fancy stock, but the tendency is to yellow, unless it is shaded with bluing.

Q. Would you say there was or was not bluing used ?-A. Yes, sir; I should say there was.

Q. In those two Republican tickets?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was you in this city at the time of the Congressional election last November?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you attend the election?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What precinct and ward, if you remember?—A. I live in ward 5.

Q. Did you spend any time at the polls other than simply as a voter ?—A. No, sir. Q. I will ask you if from your experience in the handling of paper, and in the manufacture of paper, this ticket marked Exhibit A to the deposition of Mr. Holliday and the ticket marked Exhibit B to the deposition of Mr. Holliday, being the Repub lican and Democratic tickets voted in this city at the Congressional election, 1882, could, when folded as tickets are ordinarily folded in the hands of the voter, be told or distingished by sight, one from the other-a man having but one ticket, of course, in his hand at the time of going to the polls to vote ?—A. Ï should not suppose there would be any noticeable difference. I should not suppose there would be.

Q. As an expert in the handling of paper and manufacturing of paper, could you when those tickets are folded separately and voted separately, retain the distinction in color in your eyes sufficiently to detect or distinguish one from the other, as they were being voted?-A. No, sir.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. Do you manufacture plate paper at your mill?-A. No, sir.
Q. You do not manufacture lithographic plate?-A. No, sir.

Q. Can a mill that manufactures print paper manufacture lithographic plate ?—A. Not without some additional machinery.

Q. Can the same machinery manufacture lithographic plate that manufactures print paper?-A. The same machinery would be carried to a certain extent, but they would not put the finish on without additional machinery.

Q. You manafacture principally what kind of paper?-A. News paper.

Q. How much book paper do you suppose you manufacture a year?-A. I do not know. We do not make a great deal. Occasionally we get an order, but not much. Q. Then you do not manufacture very much book paper?-A. Not very much. Q. Did you ever manufacture any book paper as thick as that [indicating]-A. I think we have. I think we have made some about as thick as that.

Q. When?-A. Some few years ago; I do not know exactly when it was. Q. To whom did you sell it ?—A. I think it went to St. Louis, if I remember aright. Q. Is it not true that Bristol board is manufactured thinner than that Republican ticket?-A. I do not think I ever saw any thinner; I do not know; it may be.

Q. What is book paper made out of?-A. Made of rags and other materials—maybe wood and straw mixed with the rags.

Q. How is blotting paper made?-A. It is made of soft stock, and not calendered

hard.

Q. What is used to produce the soft character?-A. Usually cotton waste. There is some use woolen waste, but usually cotton waste.

Q. I call your attention to the specimen there which I hand you, and ask you what it is?-A. It may be card, or it may be collow paper or card. I do not know which it is. It may be book paper-whatever it is made for I do not know.

Q. What is it called in the trade?-A. What is what called?

Q. That specimen you have there.-A. Whatever it was made for; I do not know what it was made for.

Q. What it was made for determines the name of it?-A. Usually.

Q. Therefore, if you were to make lithogrephic plate paper and print a book upon it, you would style it a book paper ?—A. Certainly.

Q. And if it had been made for plate, you would style it plate paper ?—A. Yes, sir; certainly.

Q. And if it was made for the purpose of printing tickets on, you would call it ticket paper?-A. I do not know about that.

Mr. WILSON. I offer that specimen in evidence as a part of the cross-examination of Mr. Salisbury, and desire that it shall be marked as an exhibit by the stenographer.