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jectionable as a graft upon a single bill. The tion which can be perverted, because it will tend Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, I think the Senator who introduced it doubtless assumed that to make the subject more understood, and will Senator from South Carolina (Mr. Ruett) is in other bills, already introduced, would pass; but, create a greater amount of prejudice against such error as to the construction of this bill. Tunderif his amendment be founded on this assumption, a proposition, than any other objection which stand this to have been, in the respect to which he it should await the action of Congress on all these could be urged. It can raise the old cry of foreign refers, a copy of the bill which passed at the last bills. sovereignties—States becoming proprietors, land- | Congress for the States of Alabama, Mississippi

, 3. If adopted, the amendment would endanger, holders, within the sovereign jurisdiction of other and Illinois. The construction which has been if it did noi occasion the defeat of, the Iowa land States. Without saying anything more, I ask given to that bill, not only by its friends upon this bill. This seems certain. Having this measure that the question be taken on this amendment to Hoor and in the other House of Congress, but by at heart, believing it founded in essential justice, the amendment, in order tha: these selections may the Departments in its execution, has been that ilié I am unwilling to place it in this jeopardy. be confined—if the amendment of the Senator from lands, not only within the six miles, but also out

4. It prepares the way for States of this Union Kentucky should be adopted—to lands within the side of the six miles, and within the fifteen miles, to become landholders in other States, subject of territories, and not within the limits of any organ- were to be selected in alternate sections. That course to the legislation of those States—an expe- ized State of the Union.

question has been before the Departments, under dient which, though not strictly objectionable on The amendment to the amendment was agreed that law, within the last few weeks, and was si grounds of law, or under the Constitution, is not

decided with reference to the selection of lands by agreeable to our national policy. It should not The question recurred on the amendment as the three States to which I have referred. be promoted without strong and special reasons amended.

Mr. WALKER. That is the fair construction. therefor. In the bill introduced by the Senator Mr. RHETT. I am not going to debate this Mr. DOUGLAS. It having therefore received from Mlinois, (Mr. Shields,) bestowing lands for i question; but, as I am the only Senator present that construction, which is in my opinion the correct the benefit of the insane in different States, this from the State I represent, I propose to state, in a construction according to the intent and meaning objection has been partially obviated, by providing very few words, why I cannot support either the of the friends of the measure here and in the other that the States in which there were no public amendment or the bill. I cannoi support the House at the time it passed, of course this bill wit lands should select their portion in the Territories amendment, because it is a clear and distinct as- receive the same construction when it shall become of the United States, and not in other States. But, sertion of the right of the Government to aid in the law of the land and the Departments shall be since in a short time these very Territories may enabling States to carry on internal improvements. i called upon to execute it. And receiving that conbecome States, this objection is rather adjourned It is an appropriation, therefore, of' lands, and, struction, these lands will be selected in alternate than entirely removed.

consequently of money, lo carry on works of in- sections to the extent that they go on each side of 5. But the lands held under this amendment, il ternal improvement. This power is not granted the road, even up to the limit of fifteen miles. though in the hands of States, will be liable to tax- by the Constitution to Congress, either in the ap- | That I apprehend obviates the objection which ation, as the lands of other non-resident proprie- | propriation of money or lands. It is contrary to has been urged by the Senator from South Carotors, and on this account will be comparatively ihe whole course I have pursued since I have been lina. In regard to his remark with reference to the valueless. For this reason I said that the amenda public man.

policy of Mr. Calhoun, I can only say that the ment held out the attraction of seeming, though The same objection, it appears to me, applies speech of that distinguished Senator from South unsubstantial, self-interest. That the lands will also to the bill itself. It is very true that in the Carolina, now no more, was made in support of be liable to taxation cannot be doubted. The operation of the bill it would appear that the the Illinois bill, of which this is a copy. There amendment does not propose in any way to relieve remark of my friend from lowa (Mr. Dodge) | fore, I regard the speech of Mr. Calhoun as harthem from this burden; nor am I aware that they was correct. It does speak of alternate sections ing indorsed not only the principles but the details can be relieved from it. The existing immunity is for six miles on each side of the road. That of the bill now pending before the Senate. I reonly so long as they belong to the United States. being the case, according to his argument, and member, well the language of the distinguisha Now, there is reason to believe that, from lack of according to the argument of Mr. Calhoun, it Senator from South Carolina at that time. When agencies and other means familiar io the United would be no lost to the Government, inasmuch as it was urged that the Dinois grant was too much, Siates, the lands distributed by this amendment every other alternate section is appreciated and that the road was too long, that it required 100 would not find as prompt a market as those still doubled in price to the Government by the bill. i large a quantity of land, his reply was, that the in the hands of the Greai Landholder. But how- If this appreciation of alternate sections takes principle being right, the policy being correct, the soever this may be, it is entirely clear, from the place, I admit that the principle stated by Mr. | longer the road the greater would be the advantage recorded experience of the national domain, that Calhoun covers the bill. " But this bill does not which would result to the United States from it. these lands, if sold at the minimum price of the stop there; and I think the real practical part of It was with reference to this policy that that speech public lands, and only as rapidly as those of the the bill does not begin there. The real operation was made. Of course it is fresh in my mind, beUnited States, and if meanwhile they are subject of the bill is in the ulterior part, providing that cause being here at the time and feeling an interest to the same burdens as the lands of other non-resi- beyond the six miles lands may be located for fif- in the bill on which he was speaking, it made a dents, will, before the sales are closed, be eaten up teen miles further; and within these fifteen miles, deep and abiding impression on me. I thought by the taxes. The taxes will amount to more ihey are not to take lands by alternate sections, that he was correct then; and if correct then, I than the entire receipts from the sales of the lands; and there is to be no appreciation of sections, but think the policy is right now when applied to a difand thus the grant, while unjust to the land States they may take them in one body aggregately: ferent road from that on which he spoke, the prinwill be worthless to the old States, the pretended Mr. DODGE, of Iowa. They are to take landsciples and the details of the bill being the same, so beneficiaries. In the Roman law an insolvent in- fifteen miles in all, and not fifieen miles beyond || far as they occur to me at this time. heritance was known by an expressive phrase as the six miles.

Mr. UNDERWOOD. I do not recollect that, damnosa hereditas. A grant under this amend

Mr. RHETT. Well, then, nihe miles beyond in the former discussions on this subject, the attenment would be damnosa donatio.

the six miles they are to take lands, and they are tion of the Senate was ever brought minutely to For these good and sufficient reasons, I am op- not then to take them alternately, but may take the selection of the lands beyond the six miles . posed to this amendment.

them aggregately: Undoubtedly they will select provided for in these several bills. I do not reMr. BELL. To test the sense of the Senate on all the best portions of the lands in aggregate ollect that the attention of the Senate has ever a question suggested by the Senator from Massa- masses. Pursuing their own interests, they would been, until this session, brought to the considerachusetts, I offer an amendment to the amendment

be acting foolishly if they did not do so. What, tion of the selection of the lands on the outside of of the Senator from Kentucky, to come in as a then, becomes of the aliernate-section principle, | the six miles in reference to the price. That is proviso at the end of the first section of it, as fol- by which the improvement of a part is made to what I want to have understood. 'I do not intend

inure to the benefit of the whole?' They will take now to discuss anything, for I am as much tired Provided, That the lands to be selected for the States

the better portions, and leave the refuse lands, that of the subject as any gentleman can be, and I am under the provisions of this section, shall not be located

we have no right to suppose will realize any adwithin the limits of any State, but still be selected within

tired even of hearing myself talk. I have talked the territories organized, or to be hereafter organized, east

vantage to the Government. This portion of the 1 enough on the subject; but I want to make my of the Rocky Mountains.

bill seems to me to go entirely beyond the original stntement, and then, after making a motion, I will I do not mean to occupy the attention of the bills passed by the Senate formerly, when Mr. take my seat. Senate on this subject. T have listened to the ar- Calhoun was a member of this body. Then, the I wish to state that I do not recollect that Mr. guments of honorable Senators who have opposed lands that were granted were entirely waste and Calhoun, or any other Senator, in discussions this amendment of the Senator from Kentucky, I wild lands. But these railroads, I understand, which have taken place in former Congresses upon with great attention; and it seems to me that there will go through lands in the West, where there this subject, ever called the attention of the body was more plausibility in the objection urged by are not any alternate sections which are not taken, to the question of the increased price outside of the the Senator from Massachusetts, (and which is but where the greater portion of the land on each six miles next the line of the road. Sir, it is a obviated by this amendment of mine,) than in any side of the road has been taken. This very pro- fact that there is no increase provided for by these of the objections which have been made. I say vision, allowing the land to be taken in large | bills upon any land beyond the six miles. The that it is only a plausible objection; for really, masses beyond the six miles, places it pretty much increase of price is limited to the lands within the when you come to look at the subject in a legal on the same footing with the amendment of the six miles; and if there be no land within that disand constitutional point of view, there can be very Senator from Kentucky. Therefore the objection tance from which to make the selection, the effect little difference whether States or individuals are that applies to the amendment, applies also, in of the bills is a donation, a complete donation, of the proprietors of lands within the States-con- my judgment, to the original bill. They are both so much land outside of the six miles, which the sidering that our States are not foreign to each of them in this form, as I have said, bills appro- States get without any equivalent at all. I hare other; for, although this is not a consolidated priating lands as a substitute for money by this voted for these bills heretofore upon the principle government, yet, in many respects, they are the Government for internal improvements in the of internal improvements, for all that-knowing one State are equally privileges of citizens of all unalterably opposed to an appropriation for in- I things understood. I want the Senate and the the other States. There is no prohibition of free ternal improvements in the States, either of money country to know, when we vote for these bills, intercourse of trade or holding property between from the public Treasury, or of lands from the that that is the effect of them that the lands on any of the States. Nevertheless, it is an objec- il public domain.

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clear gain to the States, and that there is no in- Mr. SUMNER. I desire to make a similar to Burlington, which will there connect this councrease at all upon the price of those lands, but that explanation. At the request of the Senator from try with the railroads in the process of constructhey are an entire loss to the Government of the Georgia, (Mr. Dawson,) who has participated in tion, and so give to Burlington, as well as to DuUnited States—so much donated away.

this debate, and who has been called home to his buque, access, by communications through the Having adopted the proviso of the Senator from family, and with a view to his personal accommo- State of Minois, to Eastern markets, while at the Tennessee, (Mr. Bell] to make my amendment dation, I have paired off with him. I should, same time they will have, through the southern consistent, we ought to strike out “ New Mexi- || otherwise, have voted against the amendment, branch at Burlington, a communication with the co” in another portion of it; and I therefore move The question being inken by yeas and nays, || Mississippi river, and so with the Southern ports. that, as an amendment to my amendment.

on the amendment offered by Mr. UNDERWOOD, Now, sir, I am not able to say that this is a The amendment to the amendment was agreed as amended, resulted as follows:

more judicious location of these internal improveYEAS-Mer-rs. Badger, Bell, Clarke, Cooper, Davis,

ments; I can only say that I am so informed, and Mr. RHETT. Mr. President, when I noticed Fish, Foot, Hamlin, James, Mangum, Prati, Seward,

I think it looks reasonable. It will be seen that what Mr. Calhoun said in the argument which was Smith, Underwood, and Upham-15.

the railroad which the bill contemplates between referred to by my friend from lowa, I did not wish

NAYS–Messrs. Atchison, Bayard, Borland, Brodhead, || Dubuque and Keokuck,runs not quite parallel, inthe Senate to understand that I intended to support

Brooke, Cars, Chase, Dodge of Wisconsin, Dodge of Town,
Douglas, Downs, Felch, Geyer, Gwin, Jones of lowa, King,

deed, with the Mississippi river, yet it is practiwhat Mr. Calhoun supported, or repudiate what he McRae, Mason, Morton, Rhett, Rusk, Shields, Soule, cally so, and thus giving a railroad communication repudiated. But as he had been quoted, and as he Stockton, Wade, and Walker-2.

down the Mississippi, though not materially is someautiority in South Carolina, I thought prop- So it was rejected.

shorter than by river, and perhaps it is even er to show, ill understood the bill, that Mr. Calhoun

The bill was then reported to the Senate as as long as the part of the Mississippi river between was not correctly reported; and now, if I understand amended. The amendment made was the substi- the two poinis, although the Mississippi is navithe bill correctly, I do not stand corrected by the Sen- tute of the Committee on Public Lands for the l gable between the two points to be connected by ator from Illinois. What was the principle upon original bill.

this proposed railroad. The Government of the which Mr. Calhoun advocated these bills: Why, Mr. SEWARD. I have an amendment which

United States have already made appropriations it was the alternate, section principle, that you are I wish to offer to the bill. I move to strike out for the improvement of the Des Moines river, and to give one section and then add a double price to from the first section the words of railroads from the effect of granting these lands now, to make a the next section; that this Government, by selling 'the city of Dubuque to Keokuck, and from Da

railroad communication between the two points on the next section at the double price, lost no money; venport, on the Mississippi river, in said State, the Mississippi, seems to come in conflict with the that it was not a donation for internal improve.

may, be designated by the authority of said policy of the Government in improving the naviments to the Suntes; that it was nothing more than • Slate," and insert " of a railroad from Daven

gation of the Des Moines river. It is for these an equitable and convenient arrangement by which port, on the Mississippi river, as may be desig.

reasons, wliich I have stated as tersely as I could, the United States, as a landholder, so arranged its nated by the authority of the said State, through

that I have preferred the system contained in the own property, as that it lost nothing, although • Fort Des Moines to such point as the said au

amendment which I have proposed. I need not the States gained by the operation. That was the thority shall select on the Missouri river, with say that I make this suggestion not without selfproposition and principle of Mr. Calhoun. ls

• branches from Fort Des Moines to Burlington distrust, and with very great deference to the Senthat the principle of this bill? Why, sir, the Sen- and Dubuque.

ators of the State which is so much interested in ator from Kentucky has just stated, that this prin- The part of the section proposed to be amended

this bill. ciple operates here only within the six miles, and would then read as follows:

The PRESIDENT. The Chair would suggest not beyond that limit. Beyond that limit-and for

to the Senator from New York the propriety of the nine miles beyond, there is no such provision public lands be, and the same is hereby gran ed to the State

Be it enacted, &c., That the right of way through the

proposing his amendment to the amendment of the whatsoever, so far as Mr. Calhoun's principle is of lowa, for the construction of a railroad from Davenport, committee, which is in the same words as those concerned. It is true, I thought, there was an ad- on the Mississippi river, as may be designated by the au used in the original bill. His amendment will ditional principle upon the face of the bill itself-thority of the said State, througii Fort Des Moines, to such

then come in the third line of the sixth section. point as the said authority shall select on the Missouri river, and that beyond the six miles limitation, ihe lands with branches from Fort Des Moines to Burlington and

The amendment reported by the committee has could be located in the aggregate and not in alter- Dubuque, and to such point as the said authority shall been agreed to by the Senate as in Committee of nate sections.

select on the Missouri river ; which authority shall also fix the Whole, and it is now before the Senate for

and delerinine the routes of each of said railroads. I will not insist upon my construction of the

consideration.

I shall detain the Senate but a moment upon Mr. SEWARD. I have no objection that it another construction; but it is certainly capable of this amendment. It requires some explanation. should be introduced in the section named by the the construction I contended for. The Senator from || This bill, as I understand it, proposes to aid the Chair, Georgia (Mr. Dawson) alleged in his speech, that construction of two railroads in the State of lowa; Mr. ATCHISON. Before I vote upon this propthe meaning I ascribed to it was its meaning, and I one from Davenport, on the Mississippi river, lo osition, I would be glad if one of the Senators from certainly have not heard that assertion contra- some point in the Council Blutls, on the Missouri lowa would explain the effect of this proposition. dicted in any argument on this floor. The billis river; and another railroad from Dubuque, on the || Sir, if the principles of this bill are settled here, ! certainly not in conformity, in any view, to the Mississippi river, to Keokuck, on the Mississippi think the details may safely be left to the State of principle which Mr. Calhoun laid down, which river-that is, one railroad running east and west lowa; in other words, I think it may sately be left was that as a landholder we did not give away through the State of lowa, and one railroad run- to that State to say where shall be the location of the land; that it was in reality giving nothing, be- ning north and south, between two points on the the road. I think that this amendment will macause by giving one section we realize as much by Mississippi river, both in that State.

terially change the object of the bill; and without obtaining double the price from the alternate sec- In order to express my purpose, I propose to the assent of the Senators from Iowa to it, I shall tion, and the Government lost nothing by the op- take out part of the bill and insert a substitute; vote against it, and against any similar proposition eration; and that it was an arrangement which, and I propose to leave the chief railroad, running to amend. as a landholder, the Government had a right to through the State, precisely as it is in the bill Mr. JONES, of Iowa. I trust that the Senate make, without being involved in the question of that is, from Davenport, on the Mississippi river, || will not agree to the amendment of the Senator internal improvements. In this way he steered to Council Bluffs, on the Missouri river. Then, from New York. This is a question which ought clear entirely of the constitutional objection. But in lieu of the railroad connecting the two points, to be left to the State of lowa to decide upon. he could never have asserted this principle, if his Dubuque and Keokuck, on the Mississippi river, 1 | That State has now, for three different sessions, attention had been brought to a measure like the propose that roads shall be construcied which | memorialized Congress to grant the land proposed bill before us. Suppose it had been proposed that shall run east and west through the State; and to by the bill for making a railroad from Dubuque to Illinois or any other State should go and iake every accomplish that object, to make a branch railroad Keokuck, and from Davenport to Council Bluff's. It alternate section, and that the sections reserved from Fort Des Moines, upon Des Moines river, will be entirely competeni for the Legislature of should not sell for any other price than that stip- which is in the center of the State, and is a point the State, and the companies wbich may be orulated for in the general laws of the country—that through which the principal eastern and western ganized, to make the line of road as proposed by the alternate sections should not sell for the double railroad will pass, to Dubuque, on the Mississippi || the Senator from New York, if they should deem price; would Mr. Calhoun have voted for a bill of river, and another branch from Fort Des Moines it advisable; but they desire to have surveys made ihat kind? No proof that he would have done so to Burlington, on the Mississippi river.

with reference to the best locality on which to has been presented to the Senute; and it cannot Thus, while my amendment contemplates leav- place these roads, and I think it ought to be left to be shown from his observations that he supported ing the central railroad just as it is in the bill, it pro- ihe State, and not to Congress, to designate the any principle which would justify such an appro- poses, in lieu of the railroad between Dubuque and routes or the points to be adopted. I hope that priation of the public lands.

keokuck, crossing the State from north to south to the amendmeni will be rejected, and that ihe bill Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. I desire to say to make branches from the Des Moines river to the will be passed exactly as it is now before the the Senate that I do not expect to vote upon the two points, Dubuque and Burlington. The reason Senate. amendment of the Senator from Kentucky; not that which has controlled my mind, grounded upon Mr. DODGE, of lowa. I do not know that I it does not meet my approbation, on the contrary,

such information as I have with regard to the understand the amendment offered by the Senator I am in favor of it. "I might have avoided the State, is, that the communications to the markets from New York. It was read, but in the connecvote, but I do not desire to avoid any vote, and from that State will necessarily be to the east tion in which it was read, I confess I did not unhence I wish to state the reason why I shall not

and the south. The northern branch which I derstand it. It is a most unexpected amendment vote at all upon the amendment. The Senator propose, to Dubuque, will give the people living by the friends of this bill. We were not advised from Arkansas, (Mr. SEBASTIAN]-his family in the region of the State through which it will that the Senator from New York, or any other being in a condition requiring his presence-came pass, an eastern communication by railroad, con- Senator, designed to offer such an amendment, and to me, and asked me to pair off with him. As a necting with the eastern railroad at Dubuque, and we were not consulted in relation to it. If I unmatter of courtesy and kindness I agreed to do so with other lines of railroad to the cities of Bos- derstand it, it proposes to leave the roads as they

He was opposed to the amendment; I am in ton, New York, and Philadelphia-that is, with now are in the bill, with an additional branch from favor of it. It is for this reason that I shall not the Atlantic coast. The same effect will be pro- Fort Des Moines to Burlington. vote upon it.

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allow me, I will state that the amendment pro- take it as it is. If there is any other proposi- know whether I would pair off with him. Trefer poses to leave the main or central road as it is tion differing from this, that proposition ought, in to the Senator from Indiana, (Mr. Brigit,) who that is, from Davenport to Council Blufis, and to my opinion, to go before the Committee on Public | is absent, and who is friendly to the bill, he supstrike out the road from Dubuque lo Keokuck, and Lands, and be reported upon by them. We want posing that I was opposed to it. When he made to make branches from Fort Des Moines to Bur- to know the facis; and the committee investigate ihis application, I told him that I was not sure lington and Dubuque.

the facts, and report accordingly. If there is to that I was in that category; that I did not know Mr. DOUGLAS. I think I can explain in one be another proposition, let it be a separate one,

how I should vote. And I have been in a someinstant the change which this proposed amend- || and let it be sent to the committee, thai they may what doubtful state. I have not been here to be meni makes, so that Senators will understand it. examine it, and report upon it.

enlightened by the speeches which have been made; The amendment of the Senator from New York, Mr. SEWARD. I'ought to say that this and, therefore, it is not to be wondered al if I en. as I understood from him a moment since, leaves amendment is offered in no spirit of opposition to tertain some doubts. But, sir, as it happened that the main road as it is proposed in the bill-that is, the bill. I shall vote for the bill, whatever dispo- ! the Senator from Indiana was kind enough to pair the road from Davenport to Council Bluffs, by the sition the Senate may make of the amendment I off with me on a question on which I did feel some way of the Raccoon river, and in lieu of the road have proposed. I am not going to insist, either, interest, and as he and his colleague are both abfrom Dubuque to Keokuck, it provides for two that the Committee on Public Lands have not ex- sent, I thought it would be quite fair, considering branches, which two branches shall constitute the ercised a sound discretion on this subject. I bare. the doubtful state of my mind, to pair off with other road, with this change only: It makes the ly say this: that there is a right remaining to every both of the Senators from Indiana. (Laughter. two branches constitute one road from Dubuque | member of the Senate to pass his opinion on the That is the reason why I did not vote for caliing via Fort Des Moines to Burlington, instead of judgment of every committee of the Senate; and up the bill. I have no opposition to it, but i hope Keokuck. It will be as the other bill was, with that, looking at the map, with such information the amendment will be carried. the exception tnat it makes Fort Des Moines a point as I have in regard to the State of lowa, it seems to Mr. BORLAND. A single word in reply to in the road between Dubuque and the lower ex- me that the public interest generally, as well as the the Senator from New Hampshire, as to his allutremity of the road, and then changes the terminus interest of the State itself, would be more promoted sion to the wings of the Capitol. I think his mind from Keokuck to Burlington. Otherwise the bill by such a plan as that which I have proposed than may be quieted now, and that the Senate and the will be as it was.

by the other. With regard to the Union, sir, I country may be to some extent quieted, when I Mr. ATCHISON. That is a very material think the argument is decidedly in favor of my inform him that I disposed of the " free-soil" in alteration.

proposition, because it connects a larger portion that wall the other day by removing it with the Mr. DOUGLAS. It is so; and it is a change of the States, East and West, and Norih and toe of my boot; and we learn upon pretty good which I think should not be adopted. That mat. South. One of these branch railroads connects authority that the people of New Hampshire are ter should be left to the people of the State of with the East, and the other with the South; while about to dispose of their Free-Soil representative Iowa to settle for themselves.

the two branches connect the whole Scale with the here in a way almost as summary. Mr. JONES, of lowa. In answer to an inquiry South, and they start from the center of the Slate. But I rise, as a member of the Committee on made on my right as to the situation of Burling. Mr. HALE. I think, Mr. President, that the Public Lands, to say, such an amendment as that ton, I will state that it is about forty miles north honorable Senator from lowa, (Mr: Dodge) sug- proposed by the Senator from New York, if re of Keokuck, and between those two points inter- gested that if some modification of the amendment ferred to the committee, could not be reported upon vene the Rapids of the Des Moines river. One proposed by the Senator from New York could favorably for this very reason: When this lowa great object of the railroad is to get below the Des be made by which the State of Iowa would con- bill, and the others like it, were before the comMoines river rapids, which are a great obstruction sent to receive three hundred thousand acres more mittee, the first question we considered was, whethto the navtgation of the Mississippi river. Fort than is proposed to be given by this bill, he would er the principle they involved was a sound one; Des Moines is not named in the bill, and I hope be in favor of it. [Laughter.] If it could be done, and then, whether it was good policy to act uma it will not be named. I trust lowa will be allowed | sir, I should be in favor of 'it too, because we it. Having decided this in the afirmative, we to designate the towns and routes for itself. I was would thus get rid of three hundred thousand more next determined the number of roads each State going to remark that if the bill were left as it now acres of the public land by such an amendinent, 'should have. And this settled, we, for reasons of stands, with an additional provision for a grant of and would ihereby effecí a great saving in the obvious propriety, and without hesitation, left the land for a road from Fort Des Moines to Burling. time of Congress.

routes of the road and the selection of their terton, I certainly should not object to it. I would As to the suggestion of the Senator from Mich- mini to the Senators from the States respectively. most willinglý consent to a proposition of that igan, (Mr. Cass, that this proposition ought to That seemed to me at the time to be a proper sort, and the more so, because our Legislature, at go to the Committee on Public Lands, it seems to course on the part of the committee. And I find its last session-though we were not advised of me that we have got beyond that stage or the busi- no reason to ihink otherwise now, No Senator the fact till long after this bill was reported-mem

We know well enough what that com- living at a distance from the roads, as the Senator orialized Congress for a grant of land to aid in the mittee will do. They will give just as much as is from New York does from those in Iowa, can pog. construction of a road from Burlington to Fort Des asked for; and I for one feel under deep obligation sibly determine this matter so well or so properly, Moines. I have a calculation of the quantity of to the Senator from lowa for so modesily consent. as the Senators. This is a grant to the State of land which would be granted, if this amendment | ing to take three hundred thousand acres over and Iowa for public works within her own borders. were adopted, and I find it would only amount above the fifteen hundred thousand proposed to be It is for her to determine where and how she will to an additional appropriation of some 200,000 given by this bill, without rendering it necessary dispose of it. Her decision, as the one inost en

to go through the formality of applying to a com- lightened and most reliable, necessarily must be Mr. HALE. Oh! is that all ? mittee. (Laughter.]

conclusive with us. So, also, we know and hear Mr. DODGE. If the bill were allowed to stand, With respect to the remarks made by that Sen- her here only through her own and most compeand the branch from Fort Des Moines to Burling- || ator, in regard to the stability of the Union, I had tent and faithful Senators. To us, their voice, ton were to be created, the bill would even then thought from the speech of the honorable Senator their decision, their judgment, is hers. In my appropriate less than it was supposed to grant from Arkansas, (Mr. Borland,) delivered here opinion, therefore, every consideration of propriwhen it was first reported. We then believed yesterday, that all agitation in regard to the dura- eiy requires the rejection of the amendment prothat, under its provisions, there would be granted | bility of the Union was to be henceforth concen- posed by the Senator from New York, (Mr. to our Slate some 1,800,000 acres. But we find, trated in the question of the durability of the foun- SEWARD.) by calculation, that it does not now appropriate | dations of the Capitol.

Mr. HALE. I have not a word to say about quite 1,500,000 acres. If the Senator from New These legitimate issues, which have been before the taste of the Senator from Arkansas in his perYork will shape his amendment so as to give us a the country so long, are, it seems, according tu sonal allusion to the Senator from New Hampbranch road from Burlington to Fort Des Moines, the Senator from Arkansas, now disposed of; and shire; but I would remark that it has been the leaving the rest of the bill as it now stands, I shall henceforth the policy of the country is to be deci- misfortune of myself, and of those with whom I not object, because we propose to get an appro. ded and discussed on the question of the foundation have acted, that when those who would assail us priation for that road, if it is not passed now. of the Capitol. I make this suggestion because I failed in argument and intellect, they have used The design of our Legislature was to get roads think that if this amendment is now modified in their boots, and when they succeed their success running from east to west, and from north to the way proposed by the Senator from lowa (Mr. may be because they have more boots than argu. south through our State. Objections may be made Dodge) —some gentleman may think I am joking, ments. With regard to the fact stated by the to the courses and particular termini of these roads. but I tell them I never was more sober in my life Senator from Arkansas, that when he had kicked

Brent our State is a Union State; we wish it to be -I should be glad, as a matter of economy of the out the mortar from the wall the pointers went • fastened with bands of iron, both to the free States | public time—not of the public lands, sir, for we right to work and replaced the mortar and re

on the east, and to the slave States on the South; have got beyond that I say I should be glad if paired the wall, I will tell him that is the way and we like one as well as we like the other. We this amendment could be modified in the manner

.we do.

When an assault is made upon us, wish to have our roads made as the Legisla- | suggested by the Senator from Jowa, in such a we put the pointers to work immediately; and I ture and the people of our State have proposed to way that they would take three hundred thousand think the Senator will find before long that those have them. Bui if there is any desire on the part more acres without troubling the Senate and occu- who have been met with such arguments as he of the Senate to give us more than is embraced in || pying its attention some eight or ten weeks with has suggested, are increasing very fast. I know the bill, we are not too modest, at least I am not, || another bill. And, sir, if this bill could be laid that there are more boots on the side of those that to accept it most thankfully. aside for five minutes, to put it into that shape, I kick at free-soil than there on the other side

. ! Mr. CASS. I merely wish to remark that all would certainly vote for it.

yield that point, sir; but when you gn up froin these propositions have been before the Committee Now, sir, I want to say one word in explana- boots to head I think we have a pretty fair chance, on Public Lands. That is the tribunal which, in tion of my not voting for the bill when it was but the boots we give up entirely. Laughter.] the first instance, examines them; and they exain- called up. I was not in my seat when the ques- Now, in regard to the allusion to the victory ine them more thoroughly than any Senator can lion was taken on calling it up. I was in thegal- ! that has been achieved, I am perfectly willing that do in his individual capacity. This bill has been lery, and I observed that several gentlemen ex- the victors should crow and enjoy the spoils of examined by that committee, and, indeed, reports || plained that they had paired off with Senators. I the conquest; but I can tell the Senator, from ex. ed by them; and it is safest, in my opinion, to was applied to by a Senator, not now present, lo perience, that he will find it will be better to take

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lefeat in homeopathic doses. It may come by | ment and embraces a matter which we overlooked The proposed substitute was read, as follows: ind by too thick and too overpowering for those in the details. I trust it will be adopted. who have been accustomed to meet argument with

The amendment was agreed to.

That from and after the first day of January next, all the

public lands of the United States, then subject to private poots. And, besides, they may receive it with a Mr. DAVIS. In order to carry out the pur- entry, shall be arranged into six classes, in the manner folbetter grace if they have been disciplined in the pose of that proviso, another amendment in the lowing, namely: Lands which have been in market, subschool in which they take it in homeopathic doses. seventeenth line is necessary. It provides that a best to private entry, ten years or less, shall constitute the

first class; those which bave been in market, subject as Sir, I am accustomed to defeat. I was defeated copy of the survey of said roads, made under the

aforesaid, more than ten years and not exceeding fifteen in the House of Representatives some few years direction of the Legislature, shall be forwarded to years, sball constitute the second class; those which have ago, and it was a sort of boot game then; but I the proper local land offices respectively, and to

been in market, subject as aforesaid, more than fifteen yielded with such grace as I could, and abided my the General Land Office at Washington city,

years, and not exceeding twenty years, shall constitute the

third class; those which have been in market, subject as time. I expected to be defeated again; 1 expected written ninety days after the completion of the aforesaid, inore than twenty years, and not exceeding twenthat the Senate would be deprived of my services, same. The amendment which I propose is to add ty-five years, sball constitute the fourth class; those which as it has been of the services of the Senator from the words “to be recorded” to the end of the

have been in inarket more than twenty-five years, and not Mississippi also, (Mr. Foote.) When that Sena- | section.

exceeding thirty years, shall constitute the fifth class; and

those which have been in market more than thirty years, tor was here he did intimate-though I have no The PRESIDENT. The clause of the proviso shall constitute the sixth elass; the classification to be made doubt it was in an unguarded moment, and con- thus proposed to be amended will then read: under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury: Protrary to his usual kindness of heart—that if I " And a copy of the survey of said roads, made under the

vided, Tbat in fixing those classes, the fraction of the year

between the date of offering and the commencement of the should be found in the State of Mississippi, it direction of the Legislature, shall be forwarded to the proper

next calendar year thereafter, shall not be computed: And might become necessary for him to administer a severe infliction upon me. He is now in the State pletion of the same, and to be recorded." fice at Washington city, within ninety days after the com- provided further, That whenever lands subject to entry at

private sale are withdrawn from market for any cause, the of Mississippi as its Executive head, and though Mr. DAVIS. I should like the proviso still

time they may be thus kept out of market, if it exceed one

calendar year, shall be excluded from computatiou in fixing he has not been the death of me in Mississippi, he || better-but gentlemen can do as they please about the several classes. has in New Hampshire, because as he happened it—if the location were recorded in the register of price of the lands, in the first class, shall be one dollar and to be out of the Senate, the people there thought the counties where the land lies. It would be a there was no need of my services here any further. great convenience to the public if this were so.

twenty-five cents per acre; of those of the second class,

one dollar per acre; of those in the third class, eighty cents [Laughter.]

But I do not propose to amend in that way, and per acre; of those in the fourth class, sixty cents per acre; Mr. BORLAND. I am sorry that the Senator I simply propose that their returns to the land office

of those in the fifth class, forty cents per acre; of those in from New Hampshire should have taken anything shall be recorded.

the sixth class, twenty cents per acre. I said as either serious or unkind. I assure him

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That all the public

The question being taken, the amendment was lands of the United States, which now are, or may hereafter that what I said was intended for pleasantry—said | agreed io.

be, brought into market, and become subject to private enin playful reply to the hit he made at me about the Mr. GEYER. I have an amendment which I try, shall be subject, as the periods indicated by this act wings of the Capitol, &c. I could not mean any i propose to offer, to come in at the end of the third

shall arrive, to the scale of graduation berein provided, un

der the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury, and be unkindness in my remark or allusions; for, as he section of the amendment reported by the commit- open to entry and purchase agreeably thereto. well knows, that however much I may differ with tee. It is to add the following:

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That upon every reduehim in his political views_however much I may Which lands sball, from time to time, be offered at

tion in the prices of said lands which shall take place by the object to his public course, I entertain for him, public sale to the highest bidder, under the direction of the

graduating process of this act, the occupants or settlers upon

any of the said lands shall have the right of preemption at personally, the kindest feelings. He now alludes Secretary of the Interior, and shall not be subject to entry to what I said about the mortar in the walls of the until they shall have been so offered at public sale.

such graduated or reduced prices, which right shall extend

to a period of six months from and after the dates at which Capitol yesterday. In the same spirit of kind

So that the section will read

the respective graduations shall take place; and any land ness, I will tell him that I apprehend there is, in- by such grant, shall remain to the United States within six

« That the sections and parts of sections of land which, not entered by the respective occupants or settlers within

that period, shall be liable to be entered or purchased by deed, some resemblance between the process allu- miles on each side of each of said roads shall not be sold any other person until the next graduation or reduction in ded to and the procceedings of the Free-Soilers for less than double the minimum price of the public lands price shall take place, when it shall, if not previously purwhom he represents. The mortar was shown to when sold, which lands shall, from time to time, be offered chased, be again subject to the right of preemption for six be unsound. What did the architect do? He did

at public sale to the highest bidder, under the direction of months and so on from time to time as said reduction shall

the Secretary of the Interior, and shall not be subject to en- take place: Provided, That nothing in this act contained not rid the bosom of the work of “ that perilous | try until they shall have been so offered at public sale. shall be construed to interfere with any right which has stuff;" but proceeded to cover it up-to hide from public view—to plaster it over by applying a little

Mr. UNDERWOOD. That appears to be a accrued, or may accrue, by virtue of any aet granting pre

emptions to actual settlers on the public lands. sound mortar to the surface. And so, sir, I think very important amendment. I hope we shall have the yeas and nays upon it.

The PRESIDENT. It is now proposed to it not unlikely that, when Free-Soilers find them

The yeas and pays were ordered..

strike out all that has been adopted, and insert selves defeated—the people having weighed them and found them wanting-will change their colors | tlemen here who say they do not understand that

Mr. UNDERWOOD. There are several gen- what has just been read.

Mr. BÅDGER. I desire to suggest a single for the time, and seek to regain their

position with | amendment. I want to know if I understand it. verbal amendment to that amendment, if it meets a new face, made up of a little of this new mortar | If I do understand it, it is to the effect that the the approbation of the Senator from Pennsylvaon the surface. The PRESIDENT. This discussion is entirely lands surveyed at the price of $2 50 per acre for nia. I observe in one place that the expression,

" more than one calendar year," occurs. We out of order. Mr. BORLAND. I have no more to say, sir. amendment? and sold at action. Is that the purpose of the have, I believe, but one kind of year now, that

which has three hundred and sixty-five days. I The question was then taken on the amendment

Mr. GEYER. It is, sir.

therefore suggest that the word " calendar" be offered by Mr. SEWARD; and it was rejected.

Mr. UNDERWOOD. Then I hope it will be stricken out. Mr. DAVIS. I stated some time ago, that I adopted, and let everybody have a fair chance,

Mr. BRODHEAD. I accept the modification. thought the first section of the bill could be i when these lands come into market.

The PRESIDENT. The Chair will again state amended in a manner to improve the character of Mr. GEYER. The object is not to change the the question, in order that Senators may underthe bill very much. I allude to an amendment that " minimum price, but to prevent the absorption of stand it. This bill was originally referred to the 1 intend to propose, beginning in the eleventh line these lands by entry, and to give to the United Committee on Public Lands, and was reported at the word provided," and striking out all down States the advance, if any, in price of the lands, back by that committee to the Senate with an to the word "surveyed,” in the thirteenth line, | when they shall be sold.

amendment, which is to strike out the original and and insert what I send to the Chair.

The question was then taken, by the yeas and insert what is printed in italics. That amendment The amendment proposed to strike out the fol- nays, on the adoption of the amendment, and re- has been agreed to by the Senate as in Committee lowing words: “ Prorided, That the right of way suited-yeas 34, nays 6; as follows:

of the Whole, and the bill has been reported to the • shall not exceed one hundred feet on each side YEAS-Messrs. Atchison, Badger, Bayard, Bell, Bor- | Senate and undergone several amendments. The of the line of said roads, and a copy of the sur- land, Bradbury, Brodhead, Brooke, Cass, Clarke, Clemens, proposition now is to strike out all that amend. vey," and to insert the words:

Cooper, Davis, Fish, Foot, Geyer, Hamlin, James, Jones ment as amended, and insert what has been pro

of lowa, Jones of Tennessee, King, Mangum, Mason, posed by the Senator from Pennsylvania., Provided, That in locating the railronds aforesaid, and Morton, Pratt, Rusk, Seward, Smith, Soule, Stockton, assigning the limits to the easement, no more land shall be Underwood, Upham, Wade, and Walker-34.

Mr. GWIN. I am in favor of this graduation, taken from the United States than is necessary for a conve- NAYS-Messrs. Chase, Dodge of Wisconsin, Dodge of and I will go even further than that. I am in nient construction and use of said roads or public ways for || Iowa, Douglas, Gwin, and McRae--6.

favor of giving donations to actual settlers, but I transportation, including stations, with the usual buildings So the amendment was agreed to.

am not in favor of incorporating that bill in this of all kinds, turn-outs, and such other appurtenances as are usually enjoyed by railroad companies, and a copy of what in detail

, the reasons why I could not vote it is, and hereafter for the other one, if it should

Mr. BRODHEAD. I stated yesterday, some- ll one. I will vote for the bill before the Senate as the location.

So that the proviso, thus amended, will read as for these railroad bills, and why I preferred the come up. I will vote for both of them. follows:

policy of graduating the price at which the pub- Mr. BRODHEAD. I offer this as a substitute

fic lands should be sold. I think these railroad for the bill before us. We must adopt one measProvided, That in locating the railroads aforesaid, and bills, relating to internal improvements in the sure or the other. We must either take this railassigning the limits to the easement, no more land shall be

States, are local and partial in their character; and road policy, by which the public lands are to be taken from the United States than is necessary for a convenient construction and use of said roads or public ways

that Congress cannot properly decide whether a absorbed, or we must agree to a graduation and for transportation, including stations, with the usual build- railroad should run east or west, or north or south. | reduction of prices of the public lands. I prefer ings of all kinds, turn-outs, and such other appurtenances It is said that the object of these railroads is to the graduation policy for the reasons which I stated as are usually enjoyed by railroad companies; and a copy of the location of said roads, made under the direction

increase the sale and settlement of these lands, yesterday. I believe it more equitable and more of the Legislature, shall be forwarded to the proper local and that is the proper policy for the country to || just and general in its operation, and more easily Washington city, within ninety days after the completion pursue. I think that a graduating policy is better, understood. It prevents monopolies by a tendency

to centralization, and I therefore think'it altogether of the same.

order, and if it will not embarrass the Senate in preferable. I offer it, not to be incorporated in the Mr. DODGE, of lowa. I hope that the amend-' their votes, for the present bill, in order to provide bill, but as a substitute for it. ment will be adopted. It is a practical amend. Il for the graduation of the price of the public lands. The PRESIDENT. The Chair has so stated.

upon it.

main.

Mr. GWIN. I am in favor of both bills. I ing to be an extremely wise body. We act on the from Maryland to object to the withdrawal of the shall vote for this bill as it is reported by the com- very largest subjects with all the aids of intuition. amendment? mittee, and I shall also vote for the other bill when Now, I would distrust the ablest man this country

Mr. PRATT. Yes sir; I want to have a vote it comes up.

ever produced, coming from an old State, who upon the proposition. As the year and nars Mr. PRATT. If I can be heard, I desire to could have but very little knowledge of the land have been called, I believe it is my privilege to remake a suggestion, and inquire whether or not the system, or of matiers connected with the public quire that the vote be taken. substitute offered by the honorable Senator from domain, who would get up here, and in five min- The PRESIDENT. Most assuredly. If the Pennsylvania is in order? The bill upon your utes, at the end of a tedious session, propose a Senator insists on it, the vote must be taken. table is one to aid in the construction of a railroad system of disposition for the entire public domain Mr. MASON. I understand that the Senator in the State of Iowa. The substitute is for the of the country, without even subjecting it to the from Pennsylvania, in offering this amendmeni, graduation of the price and sale of the public investigation of a committee. I understand that declared distinctly that, in his judgment, on aelands. Now, although the railroad in lowa is to the amendment is offered as adversary to the bill count of the former action of this body on a like be made by an appropriation of a portion of the under consideration. I hope it will be easily dis- proposition, there remained no alternative now bei public lands, yet the object of the original bill is posed of; and, as the gentleman who has offered it io choose between the policy of giving away these ihe railroad, and therefore it does not seem to me has not been courteous enough to withdraw it at public lands, or a large portion of them, to the ! that this substitute is germane to this original the request of his friends, I trust it will be imme- States within which they lie, or of adopting an subject, and consequently it is, as I think, out of diately rejected. I hope we will vote upon it now. opposing policy of providing for their immediate order.

Mr. BŘODHEAD. I shall not now withdraw sale, or their speedy sale, by graduating their price. The PRESIDENT. There is no rule on the the amendment, but I ask for the yeas and nays It was in that view that he offered this proposition subject. The question under discussion is the

as an amendment, and a substitute to that of girdisposition of a certain portion of the public do- The yeas and nays were ordered.

ing public lands for railroads. I am not prepared An amendment has been made to the bill Mr. SOULE. Mr. President, I must oppose to say at present whether I should be disposed, if by the Senate as in Committee of the Whole, the proposition of my friend from Pennsylvania; 1 the option were left to me, to change the existing which amendment is now under consideration by and yet I am free to admit, that if it were presented policy of the Government to that which is prothe Senate, and it is therefore open to amendmeni. as a distinct and separate measure, from the gen- posed by the amendment which the Senator oftere. The proposition of the Senator from Pennsylva- eral features which I have been able to discover in mean, that I am not prepared to say whether ! nia is to strike out the greater portion of that it, I would readily give it my concurrence. But should be disposed to change the existing laws amendment, and insert a substitute, which is it is very clear that we are in no way prepared to oliering the public lands for sale at a minimum another mode of disposing of the public lands. act now upon a matter of such vast importance. I price, for a system of reducing them with a view

Mr. DOWNS. Will it be in order to propose It would be assuming, as has been very properly of speedy sale; but between the two propositions an amendment to the substitute, by proposing that remarked by the honorable Senator from North of graduating the price of the public lands and instead of striking out the whole bill, the propo- Carolina, the possession of such great powers of selling them rapidly, and that of giving them away sition of the Senator from Pennsylvania shall be intuition, that I can hardly believe a Senator here to the States within which they lie, I prefer the added to it?

would claim. I shall vote, therefore, against this former. I shall therefore vote for the amendmett The PRESIDENT. It would not be in order substitute proposed by the honorable Senator from of the Senator from Pennsylvania, though I should at this time. Pennsylvania.

acquiesce cheerfully in allowing him to wittMr. DOWNS. I suppose we can do it by vo- I had intended to explain at some length the draw it. ting this proposition down as a substitute, and vole which I mean to give in favor of this lowa Mr. BELL, Mr. President, I would like to then add it to the bill.

bill; but as I understand that a bill of the same hear from the honorable Senator from Virginia, or The PRESIDENT. If the Senate think proper nature concerning the State of Ohio will soon be the honorable Senator from Pennsylvania, what to vote down the amendment of the Senator from presented to the consideration of the Senate, and security this amendment that is proposed will yte Pennsylvania as a substitute, they can do so, and that I shall then have an opportunity to express to the country, if it should pass, that the land wi. it will then be in order to offer it as an addition to my views on the subject, I have resolved to give a not still be given away to railroads? the bill. silent vote in favor of the present bill.

Mr. DOUGLAS. "'This may obviate some getMr. DOUGLAS. As the object of the Senator Mr. JONES, of lowa. * I wish to make an ap- tleman's objections to the land bills. froin Pennsylvania unquestionably is to carry out peal to the Senator from Pennsylvania on this sul- Mr. BELL. It seems to me that there will be his favorite policy of graduating the price of the liject. I would say to him that I am as anxious as no security whatever, but that we shall just go on, public lands, I have no doubt that he will find that he can be for the passage of his bill at a proper and whenever we think it is liberal and proper tohe can accomplish his object much better by bring- time; but I would take it as a great favor to me wards the new States, give them additional approing it forward in a separate bill. I confess I have and to my State, if he would withdraw his propo- | priations for internal improvements. I do not a great inclination to go with him in his favorite sition.

understand that the proposition of the honorable policy of graduating and reducing the price of the Mr. DODGE, of Iowa. I wish to renew my Senator from Pennsylvania proposes to afford any public lands; and I have no doubt that large num- appeal to my worthy friend from Pennsylvania to security on that head, but proposes to hasten the bers from the new States will join him in that withdraw his amendment. I think I have a right | sale of the public lands. Now, it is said that there policy, and probably be able to pass his bill for him to request it, for if there is one sincere friend on is a large amount, such an amount as 250,000,000 if he will bring it forward as a separate proposi- this door of the graduation system in all its scope acres of public land in the market. If that is tion, untrammeled by any objections to it as an and bearing, I claim to be that one. The princi- if we reduce them to forty cents an acre, it amendment to this bill. If he will bring it forward ple has grown with my growth and strengthened would take years and years before they could be separately, I have no doubt that he will find many with my strength, and, therefore, I shall be re-appropriated; and in the meantime they would earnest and zealous coadjutors in the representa- joiced to cooperate with him at a proper time and remain open to applications to the liberality and tives of the new States. I fear that there is some in a proper manner to effect the passage of that justice, if you please, of Congress, in making these hazard in attaching it to this bill; I fear that by great measure. But I trust the Senator will not,

improvements. I desire to ascertain whether there offering it as an amendment to this bill he will and I know he does not desire to, embarrass our be any security contemplated on that point. lose his graduation policy. I would therefore sug- bill and force us to vote down, as we will certainly The PRESIDENT. The Chair would beg gest to him the propriety of bringing it forward do, a proposition to which we are as friendly as he leave to interrupt the Senator for a moment. On as a separate measure, free from the embarrass

can be. ments hanging around it as a substitute for the Mr. BRODHEAD. I stated when I first offered turning to the rule, which he will read, the Chair

is aware that it is in the power of the Senate, bill.

this substitute that I did not design to embarrass Mr. BRODHEAD. Mr. President, I have

even after the yeas and nays have been ordered, gentlemen in these votes. I can say to the Sen- to permit the withdrawal of a proposition. The debated in my own mind whether I should offer ator from North Carolina (Mr. MANGU'M] that 10th rule is: this graduation bill as an amendment to the bill this proposed substitute of mine was not prepared under consideration, because I feared it might em

“When a motion shall be made and seconded, it shall be or drawn by me. It is a well-matured measure, reduced to writing, if desired by the President, or any me barrass gentlemen in their votes here. But if I adopt one which has been under the consideration of ber, delivered in at the table, and read, before the same the suggestion of the honorable Senator from Ili- this body before, and which was brought forward

shall be debated; and any motion may be withdrawn by nois and withdraw it now, and subsequently bring by a gentleman from one of the land States. As

the mover at any time before a decision, amendment or

ordering of the yeas and nays, except a motion to the it forward as an independent proposition, this there seems, however, to be a great desire that I sider, which shall not be withdrawn without the leave of the railroad grant to lowa may be passed in the mean- should withdraw this substitute and subsequently i Senate." time, and then we should have to make other offer it as an independent proposition, I think it “ Leave of the Senate" is given by the action grants. I think, therefore, we had better decide better for me to do so. I'desire that gentlemen of a majority. And therefore the mover of a propnow whether we will adopt the graduating policy, shall be unembarrassed in their action here. I was osition, even after the yeas and nays have been or the railroad policy. You cannot ndopt both, sincere in bringing this proposition to the notice ordered, (though the Chair just now was under a in my judgmeni. lam opposed to this railroad of the Senate. I hope that the original bill will be different impression,) can withdraw it, if a majority policy for the reasons which I stated pretty fully | voted down for the reasons which I stated yester- of the Senate decide to grant leave. yesterday. I do not desire to embarrass gentlemen day, and then I shall bring forward this measure Mr. BADGER. I move, then, that the honor in their votes. I would be very sorry to do so. as an independent proposition.

able Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr. BRODHEAD] But I fear, that if I withdraw the amendment now, The PRESIDENT. With the permission of have leave to withdraw his amendment, these railroad bills will all be passed; and then the Senate the amendment can be withdrawn. Mr. MASON. I wish to say a word in answer there will be no necessity for, and permit me to Mr. PRATT. As the yeas and pays have to what fell from the Senator from Tennessee, say, no propriety in, the adoption of the graduation been called, I desire to record my vote against the [Mr. Bell.] Tunderstand that Senator to inquire policy.' It would then be left to operate only on proposition.

what security the country will have against thus the alternate sections.

Mr. BRODHEAD. Have I not the right to Mr. DODGE, of Iowa. I appeal to my friend

giving away the public lands, even if we should withdraw the amendment? from Pennsylvania to withdraw his amendment.

adopi the policy of graduating and reducing their

Mr. PRESIDENT. Not except by unanimous Mr. MANGUM. Mr. President, we are com

price. Now, sir, I would answer the Senator by Does the Chair understand the Senator saying that, from my experience in this Govern

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