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wene could have been made in favor of Mexico
There are some gentlemen who may attempt to ment could have been made in favor of Mexico. There is an amendment to the amendment pending. make themselves masters of the law, and assume
The question is upon the amendment to the to know everything. A proposition upon the part favor of Mexico as the Barings?
amendment offered by the gentleman from Virof one Government to another, is a mere question Mr. FREEMAN. Mr. Chairman, I wish- ginia, (Mr. Bailed of agreement not to infringe the spirit of the treaty. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman cannot
The question was then taken and it was not The question will come up afterwards, whether submit any remarks upon this amendment, nor agreed to. the treaty had been complied with or not in the can he ofler any amendment, as there is now an Mr. CARTTER. I move to reinsert the words, payment of the money. If the Mexican Governamendment pending to the amendment.
if in order," the Government of Mexico." ment drew a draft upon this Government after the
The question was then taken, and the amend- The CHAIRMAN. The amendment would money was appropriated by law, let me ask, how- ment of Mr. Johnson was rejected.
not be in order. ever ridiculous it may be conceived by some, if it Mr. BAYLY moved, pro forma, to strike out
Mr. CARTTER. I move to strike out the would be in violation of the treaty for this Gov- the words “ Mexican Government.
word “ request," and insert the words “pursu. ernment to accept that draft-merely to accede to
is the proposition in the payment of the money?
, Does it smack in the slightest degree of violation “to be paid in conformity to the request of the ment, because I think it raises substantially the of law, of infringement of the treaty? Not at all. Mexican Government." The gentleman from issue that has been made in the discussion upon But this arrangement would have saved, I am Virginia proposes to strike out the words óMexi- this subject, and brings up the conflict that has authorized to believe, an immense sum to the can Government.” It will then read “to be paid been waged between the Secretary of State and the Government, had the money been appropriated. fi in conformity to the request”
authorities of Mexico. I am in favor of it as a How does the present proposition stand? They Mr. BAYLY. If the amendment prevails 1 substantial amendment-an amendment promocome forward and say that they will give us secu- shall then move to fill the blank. Mr. Chairman, ting the right and rebuking the wrong. The ques. rity and vouchers to the Government at the proper my colleague has certainly not examined this mat- tion raised in that amendment is, whether this tinte. What are they? They will put in pledge | ter with his usual care. If he had he certainly Government, in its treatment of a kindred RepubGovernment stocks bearing an interest of six per would not have misconceived the subject as much lic upon our own continent, shall consult the decent., and propose to pay the Government of ihe
as he does. He asks the question, why we could sires of that Government, or shall sacrifice its United States' three and a half per cent. for the not acceptdrafts of the Mexican Government as well interests to its creditor, and pass that Governmoney that is to be appropriated fourteen months as those of the Barings? The Barings never drew ment through the hands of successive movetary in advance. Do not these stocks bear as much any drafts in form or substance upon our Govern- | speculators, before the fund, which we honestly interest by being pledged to the Government as ment. By their contract, on the day of payment, owe her, is honestly paid to her? A technicales. they did before? And what then is the operation they were to make the payment in gold and silver ception has been taken by the honorable member We, in effect, pay them two and a half per cent. to the Mexican Government, and to take their from Virginia, (Mr. Barly, who presided over for this operation. This is the whole of the mat- | receipis for it. I presume they provided them- the Committee of Ways and Means during the
It is for the percentage, the shaving that is selves with the money to make the payment by last Congress. It was a technical exception only. to fall into the pockets of those concerned, that drafts drawn in Mexico upon London and New He has been compelled, in the specious defence he they have consented to the whole thing. York. But they drew no drafts upon our Gov
has madeMr. MEADE. My colleague (Mr. Bayly] ernment; and I undertake to say, if my colleague Mr. BROOKS. I rise to a question of order. has in a measure expressed an opinion adverse to will think of it for a moment, that he will say that Mr. CARTTER. I hope it will not be taken the one I expressed on a former occasion, and in drafts drawn by Mexico upon this Government out of my time. doing so he took occasion to say that nineteen and accepted by our Secretary of State, without
Mr. BROOKS. The amendment of the gentle. twentieths of the lawyers of the country would express authority of law for him to do so, would man from Ohio (Mr. CARTTER) is to strike out. be also of an opinion different to it; and I think noi be worth the paper they were written upon. | My point of order is this: that his argument should it somewhat incumbent upon me to make a short To assume that they would be, is to assume pow- be confined to the reasons why the words " reply.
ers in the officers of this Government independent suant to the" should be inserted, and confined The CHAIRMAN. The Chair must here of law. It is to assume that they have independ- strictly to that. If the gentleman will permit me state, without calling the gentleman to order, that ent and distinct powers inherent in them, and not to say, I have no objection to this debate going on under the rule five minutes is allowed for the ex
conferred by law. Now, I say that Forstall's to any extent, if it will be permitted on both sides planation of, and five minutes for opposition to, | certificate, to which the gentleman refers, was of the House. If we are going to pass the bill, the amendment, and not for a general discussion | nothing but a ratification by the Mexican Govern- | let us stop the debate. upon the merits of the original proposition. ment to our Government ihat they had hypothe
Mr. CARTTER. My argument was addressed Mr. MEADE. I am opposing the amendment, cated to the extent of his advances, or in other to the amendment. and I suppose I will be allowed the same latitude
words, that they had given him a lien to the ex- The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is not as has been extended to other gentlemen who have tent of his advances upon this indemnity, to be debatable. The question of order, in the opinion spoken upon this subject. Now, this was paid satisfied when it should be paid. They could have of the Chair, is well taken. Under the rules, after by drafts substantially, although not in a com- given that lien to any other bankers; and the fact | debate has been terminated, five minutes are allowed mercial point of view, not technically, to the Bar- that the Barings were our agents did not give for explanations of amendments, and five minutes to ings & Brothers, through their agent Forstall.
them any advantage over other bankers, as I have | oppose such amendments as may be offered. The Drafts were sent here by Forstall to be paid; and before explained. But I am done with this sub- good sense of the House, or the members, must, to why could not drafts in the same shape be sentject. Everybody understands it whoever will un- a very great extent, control them in that matter; by the Mexican Government, by her agent, to be derstand it. I shall not say one word more in ref- because it will be impossible for the Chair to say paid? They were, instead of being commercial
erence to it, no matter what turn the debate may how gentlemen intend to apply their arguments; drafts in the usual form, certificates sent to the take.
and if they violate the rules of order, it will, perSecretary of State, to the effect that Forstall had
Mr. MEADE. My colleague says he is done haps, be impossible for the Chair to enforce them. advanced so much money to the Mexican Gov- with this subject. I am not quite done with It is very clear, that under the rules of the House, ernment, and that that advancement was to be
it yet. I will just read to my colleague a few the original proposition, or the merits of the bill, taken out of the indemnity due her. When we Jines of a letter which was addressed to the Sec- are not now under consideration. speak of drasts, we mean drafts in that form and retary by the Barings:
Mr. CARTTER. Does the Chair apprehend substantially to that effect. It was a certificate " It will be perceived from the foregoing, that the con- the force of that amendment, permit me to inquire! upon the part of the Mexican Government, that tractors made all their payments to Mexico out of their My amendment is in form * pursuant to the reForstall should receive $650,000 of the indemnity own funds, and were anerwards reimbursed in the United
quest of the Mexican Government." States, at a date averaging the 15th of May, and the last which was due to Mexico upon the 30th day of and largest payment by the United States to the contract
The CHAIRMAN. The amendment of the May, and that is the form in which the drafts ors of two millions of dollars was not made until the 27th gentleman, I believe, is to insert the words "purcould have been presented in favor of Mexico or of June, nearly one month after they had paid the full in- suant to the” before the word "request.” It will the agent of Mexico. We are speaking about the stallment to Mexico."
then read “ to be paid in conformity and pursuant substance, not the shadow, of things. It is true, Now here is an admission on the part of the to the request. as my colleague says, that a commercial draft, bankers themselves that we had paid them pre- Mr. CÂRTTER. I move to strike out the word drawn in the way he supposes, could not be ac- vious to the 30th day of May, when this money "conformity.” cepted by the Secretary of State; but any notifi- became due under the treaty. How? Everybody The CHAIRMAN. That will be a double cation, like that in favor of Forstall, could have familiar with such transactions knows how. amendment. Both cannot be entertained. been given in favor of Marks, or any other agent Those drafts were drawn by the Barings--this Mr. CARTTER. I wish to ascertain, if a of the Mexican Government, and the amount thus certificate was sent by the Mexican Government verbal amendment is introduced by a member, certified to, as having been advanced to the Mexi- to our Secretary here, notifying him that For- | and it enters into and forms a part of the sense of can Government, could be deducted out of the in- stall, for instance, had advanced so much money, the amendment, whether he is confined 10 a defidemnity which was due on the 30th of May. If and was entitled to that amount of money out of nition of the word thus introduced ? you go into the details of the whole of that pay- the indemnity which wars due. Will my colleague TheCHAIRMAN. The Chair stated the amendinent, you will find that not one cent of the money tell me how did these bankers draw out of the was paid in any other way. In point of fact , the Treasury previous to the 15th day of May any he could not make another motion to amend when
ment as the gentleman proposed it, and decided that whole three millions of dollars thus paid by the portion of this indemnity, if it was not for the one was pending. His motion was, to insert a Barings & Brothers to that Government, was purpose of paying the Mexican indemnity, either
word in one part of the amendment, and he candrawn for by them here. I will venture that by transferring it there or by drawing drafts upon not move to strike out a word in another part, without knowing the fact, because it was the it here? This letter is an admission of the fact, Mr. CARTTER. That is a part of the moeasiest way by which it could be done. The and my colleague cannot get over that admission. || tion. draft in favor of Forstall proves not only that the Mr. BOCOCK. I move to amend the amend- The CHAIRMAN. The Chair did not hear draft was paid here, but that it was paid months
the gentleman move to strike out anything. before the indemnity was due; and so the arrange
The CHAIRMAN. It is not now in order. Mr. CARTTER. If my amendment was mis
understood, I will accommodate the gentleman Mr. CARTTER. Will the Chair be good sued in regard to this measure, I desire to state, in from New York in a few minutes. I will with enough to give me the limitation within which I a very brief manner, why it is that I now take draw it, as in that connection it makes no sense at must confine my remarks! I do not exactly com- that course. all, and as it was misunderstood by the Chair. prehend it. The question raised in my own mind It will be recollected that at the last session of
The question was then taken, and the amend- is, whether I am confined to a literal explanation Congress I was a member of the Committee of ment to the amendment was rejected.
of the words, or whether I may discuss the sense Ways and Means, from which a bill was reported to Mr. CARTTER. I now propose to amend the of my amendment ?
and passed by this House, to pay the third installamendment, if it is in order, so that it will read, The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks that the ment of the Mexican indemnity. I was also upon in pursuance of the request of the Mexican gentleman's explanation, to be within the rule, that committee when it reported to this House a Government."
must be to show to the committee the difference | bill to provide for the payment of this last installMr. BROOKS. I do not want to interrupt the between the words “in pursuance of,” and “ con
Both of these bills met my approbation, gentleman
formably with,"and to give reasons why the words and they were reported here with my assent and Mr. CARTTER. If this does not allow dis- he moves to insert should be adopted in place of approval. And this bill has been again reported cussion, I do not want to discuss it. I wish to those used in the amendment of his colleague. at the present session with my consent and approascertain the fact, whether it brings up my right Mr. CARTTER. I appeal from that decision. | bation. During this discussion, however, the to discuss the merits of the amendment itself. Mr. DISNEY. I desire to say one word. course which the Committee of Ways and Means
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks that, The CHAIRMAN. The appeal is not debata- felt itself called upon to pursue has been called in under the rules, the gentleman from Ohio will be ble.
question. Now, I want to know when the mesconfined to the explanation of his amendment- Mr. DISNEY. I am not going to debate it at all. sage of the President of the United States was rethe words “ in pursuance of the request of the But as there seems to be a question about words, | ferred to our committee, asking this House to apMexican Government"—that is, as to the pro- \ I desire that my amendment shall be read in my propriate the money necessary to pay this last priety of inserting his amendment into that of his own English. I never used such English as has installment, what was the duty of that committee? colleague; but, in the opinion of the Chair, it | been read from the desk.
Why, it was our duty to inquire, in the first place, does not open the merits of the whole question on The CHAIRMAN. The Chair has certainly | whether the money asked for by the President was the original bill, because the resolution terminating not altered a word of the gentleman's amendment. required in order to carry into effect the stipuladebate says, the debate upon the bill shall termi- Mr. DISNEY. I wrote it “in a manner con- tions of the treaty with the Government of Mexforming to.'
ico. In the performance of that duty, therefore, Mr. DISNEY. I would inquire respectfully of The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the we looked to the twelfth article of that treaty, and the Chair, what are the merits of the main ques- appeal from the decision of the Chair.
we found that this Government had bound itself tion pending ?-if there is anything else involved, Mr. STANTON, of Ohio. I would inquire of by that treaty to pay the Government of Mexico but simply to make this appropriation of three the Chair, whether the construction which he puts | $15,000,000-$3,000,000 to be paid down at the millions of dollars?
on the 34th rule has ever been practically put | time of the ratification of the treaty, and $3,000,000 The CHAIRMAN. The Chair would answer
at the end of each twelve months thereafter, with the gentleman, that the question of propriety of Mr. CARTTER. Never in the world.
interest on the whole amount then due until the paying this money is, perhaps, not now before the The CHAIRMAN. It has been the uniform whole $15,000,000 should have been paid. committee for discussion; upon that the House practice since the adoption of the rule; but, as the (A message was here received from the Presihave ordered the termination of debate. Now, it Chair before said, it must depend to a very great dent of the United States, by the hands of M. is to the amendment pending, offered by the gen- extent upon the regard paid to that rule by the P. FillMORE, his Private Secretary, announcing tleman himself, and to the amendment of his col- members themselves.
that he had signed sundry bills.] league, that the rule requires he should confine Mr. CARTTER demanded tellers on the ap- Mr. J. continued. In February, 1849, a bill himself to an explanation of. peal; but they were not ordered.
was passed by the Congress of the United States, Mr. CARTTER. In explanation of the sense And the question being taken, the decision of appropriating $3,720,000, being the first installof the expression, “ in pursuance of the request the Chair was sustained.
ment, with the interest due up to the 30th of May, of the Mexican Government,” I was proceed- The question was then taken on the amendment 1849. The same bill also appropriated the amount ing to remark—and I shall confine myself to to the amendment, and it was not agreed to. necessary for the payment of the second installthat point, for I do not wish to discuss anything The question recurring on Mr. Disney's amend- ment, which would be due on the 30th of May, elze-that it raised before this House the simple I ment, ii was put, and the amendment was re- 1850, and which, with the interest, amounted issue, whether we would consult the will of Mex- iljected.
to $3,540,000. That bill, which appropriated ico in this payment, or whether we would consult Mr. CARTTER. I now move the amendment | $7,250,000 for the payment of the two first installthe directions given by the Secretary of State. just offered by my colleague, (Mr. Disney,) with ments of this indemnity, was in precisely the Now, unless there was some sinister reason-un- this change, that I have inserted the words “
same terms as the one now under consideration, less there was some selfish consideration entering pursuance of” in lieu of “in conformity with." except so far as regards the amount and date. It into and forming the quo animo, with which the Mr. HIBBARD. That amendment is sub simply made an appropriation of the money, Secretary of State seeks to defeat the will of the stantially the same as the one just voted down, || without giving any direction to the Executive in Mexican Government in the receipt of this money,
and I submit that it is therefore out of order. relation to the mode of payment. And it passed I hold that he would consult that will. The very The CHAIRMAN ruled the amendment out of this House by a vote of 187 to 8. In 1850--at fact that he turns his back upon it—the very fact order, on the ground that the committee had sub- the first session of the last Congress-a bill, in that he disregards the expressed will of that stantially rejected the amendment, having first | precisely the same terms, making an appropriaGovernment, brings to light the inevitable sus- voted down the amendment to the amendment and tion of $3,360,000, passed this House with only picion then the amendment.
thirty-five or thirty-six votes against it. Now, Mr. BROOKS, (interrupting.) I rise to a point
Mr. ROBBINS. Is there any amendment now when the President's message, asking for this apof order. I have no objection to this discussion | pending?
propriation this session, was referred to the Comgoing on
The CHAIRMAN. There is no amendment mitiee of Ways and Means, we looked into the Mr. CARTTER. Go ahead and state your pending:
treaty, and found that all the money which this point of order.
Mr. ROBBINS. Then I move that the com- m- | Government had stipulated to pay, with the excepMr. BROOKS. My point of order is this. mittee rise and report the bill to the House. tion of the last installment, amounting, with the There is an amendment submitted by the gentle
The motion was agreed to.
interest, to $3,180,000, had been paid; which inman froin Ohio, (Mr. DISNEY,] that the money Thecommittee accordingly rose, and the Speaker stallment will be due on the 30th of May next. shall be paid " conformably with the wishes of the having resumed the chair, the chairman repo The committee report the bill making appropriaMexican Government." "The amendment sub- | that the Committee of the Whole on the state of tion for the payment of this money exactly as all mitted by the other gentleman from Ohio (Mr. | the Union had had the Union generally under con- the other bills have been reported; but when it is CARTTER) is, to strike out “ conformably with, sideration, and particularly House bill No. 46, to brought in here, the question is raised, that we and insert “pursuant to.” My point of order is, provide for carrying into execution, in further must direct the manner and mode in which the that the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Cartter) || part, the twelfth article of the treaty with Mexico payment is to be made. That is a question with should show the reason for striking out “con- concluded at Guadalupe Hidalgo, and had in- which I shall have no concern whatever. I come formably with,” and inserting
pursuant to,' structed him to report the same to the House not here to defend the Secretary of State. I come and that his whole argument should be directed to without amendnient.
not here to defend the Secretary of the Treasury. that object, and to that only.
Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. The position which If the payment had heretofore been made by the Mr. CARTTER. That means that my argu- I have occupied during the discussion upon this Secretary of the Treasury, I would not interfere ment must be strictly technical.
bill has precluded me from taking any part in it, to direct it to be paid by any other officer. If the The CHAIRMAN. The 34th rule provides: or from making any explanation in justification of President of the United States should even direct "Yo member shall occupy more than one hour in debate the course which I have heretofore, and which I the assistant Treasurer at the city of New York, of any question in the House, or in committee ; but a shall upon this occasion feel it my duty to pursue. or the assistant Treasurer at the city of New Ormember reporting the measure under consideration from a
At the same time, my relation to this question at leans, or any other individual who might be secommittee may open and close the debate : Provided, That Where debate is closed by order of the House, any member
the last Congress and at the present Congress re- lected as the medium through which this payment shall be allowed, in committee, five minutes to explain any quires of me, I think, a few words in justification, was to be made, I should not be willing to interainendment he inay offer, after which any member who
or, at least, in explanation of my course; particu- fere by giving a different direction, and by that shall first obtain the floor shall be allowed to speak five
interference to release the Executive from all reminutes in opposition to it, and there shall be no further larly when I reflect that there are those upon this debate on the amendment; but the same privilege of debate
floor who take a different view of this question to sponsibility in the matter, and to take that respon. shall be allowed in favor of and against any amendinent what I do, to differ from some of whom always sibility upon ourselves, when this is clearly and that may be offered to the amendment."
creates in my mind a distrust of the correctness of exclusively a duty which belongs to the ExecuThe Chair thinks, as he before stated, that un- my own opinions. But, sir, being thoroughly tive of the country. der the rule the gentleman must confine himself to convinced, and as thoroughly satisfied of the cor- I can very well'imagine why the Mexican Govan explanation of his amendment.
rectness of the course which I have usually pur- ernment should come here and ask that the Secretary of the Treasury should pay this money, Now, sir, it seems to me that in this whole ques- Mr. HOUSTON. I ask the previous question. The Secretary of the Treasury, it will be recol- tion it has not been a fight in regard to the manner Mr. JOHNSON, of Tennessee. I ask the genlected, during the late war with Mexico, evinced, in which this installment shall be paid, because the tleman from Alabama to withdraw his motion for in the opinion of the Democratic party, a much Government of the United States has lost anything a single moment. I wish to offer a single amend. stronger partiality for the cause of Mexico than he which rightfully belonged to it, but because the ment, I intended to have offered in the commitentertained for the cause of the United States. But Government has not had enough of the Shylock tee; and I will move the previous question myself, suppose we should direct the Secretary of the infused into it in this transaction because we if the gentleman desires it. It is as follows. Treasury to make this payment, what do we do? have not saved as much or made as much by the Provided, The President of the United States shall feel What does it amount to? Why, it is saying that payment of this installment as we might have done. bound to accept of any propositions for the payment of said we have more confidence in Thomas Corwin than Now, let us see how these installments have been installment, that may be offered by the proper Mexican ao
thorities, it not deemed inconsistent with the interests of we have in Daniel Webster. Now, I ask my paid. The first installment of three millions, paid
the United States. friends upon this floor, if there is one here who is in cash, was, I understand, paid through General willing to say, by his vote, that he has greater Butler, then commanding our forces, or a portion
Mr. HOUSTON. If I withdraw for one, there confidence in "Thomas Corwin, the Secretary of of them, in Mexico, at the time of the ratification
is no telling where we shall stop. I feel it my the Treasury, than he has in Daniel Webster, the of this trenty. He paid those three millions of duty to move it. Secretary of State? dollars, and saved upon it, in the way of exchange,
Mr. JOHNSON. Then I hope the House will Mr. DISNEY. I have greater confidence in $41,000. The second installment was paid in
vote down the previous question. him. 1849, under an appropriation made in February of
Mr. J. demanded tellers on the previous ques. Mr. JONES. My friend from Ohio says he that year, and approved by Mr. Polk, when he
tion; which were ordered, and Messrs. Houston has greater confidence in him. I beg to say, was President. As I understand that question, and CHANDLER were appointed.
Mr. CARTTER. I take pleasure in saying Mr. Walker, the then Secretary of the Treasury, The question was then taken, and the tellers that, as far as I am concerned, I have no confi
tract for the payment of the second in reported—ayes 111; noes not counted. dence in either of them. stallment before the law appropriating the money
So the previous question received a second, and Mr. JONES. Well, I do not intend by my was passed. It was paid in Mexico, being the the main question was ordered to be put. "The vote to say that I have greater confidence in the installment of $3,000,000, and $720,000 the interest main question being: Shall the bill be engrossed present Secretary of the Treasury than I have in | upon the twelve millions unpaid from the ratifica- and read a third time? it was put and carried in The Secretary of State. The Constitution of the tion of the treaty to the time of the first payment
: Mr. DUNHAM moved a reconsideration of the United States provides that the Constitution and one year. Thai amount was paid, saving a preall the laws made in pursuance thereof, and all mium of four and a half per cent. The $3,720,000
vote by which the bill was ordered to be entreaties made under the authority of the United paid in 1849, under the direction of Mr. Polk's grossed and read a third time, and that the motion States, shall be the supreme law of the land. It administration, was paid with $3,552,600, being a to reconsider be laid upon the table; which latter says that the President shall be the Executive saving to the Government of $167,400.
motion was agreed to. officer of the Government, and that it shall be his The second payment made under the appropri
The bill was then read the third time, and the duty to execute the laws. Now, I hold that the ation act of 1849, and approved by Mr. Polk, but question now being, Shall the bill pass? treaty made with Mexico, and ratified by both paid under General Taylor's administration, being
Mr. HOUSTON called for the previous quesGovernments, is declared by the Constitution of $3,540,000, was paid, less a premium of about four
tion. the United States to be the supreme law of the and one third per cent., being $3,386,616 26, The previous question received a second, and Government, and the President is required to ex. making a saving to the Government, upon that the main question was ordered to be put, which ecute it. But the President cannot execute this installment, of $153,383 74.
main question was, Shall the bill pass? provision of that treaty until Congress has placed
The third installment of $3,360,000 was pain operation of the previous question, it was finally
The question was then taken, and under the at his disposal the amount of money necessary to with $3,242,400, a saving of about three and a enable him to make the payment, and to fulfill the half per cent. premium, being a saving, in the ag.
passed. obligations of the treaty which we have contracted
Mr. DUNHAM moved to reconsider the vote gregate, upon the third installment of $117,600. and bound ourselves to comply with. Then I The present installment of $3,180,000, if it shall by which the bill was passed, and to lay the mohold that it is the duty of Congress to appropriate be paid at a premium of three and a half per cent., tion to reconsider upon the table, which latter the money necessary, and leave it to the Presi- will be paid with $3,068,700—being a saving of motion was agreed to. dent of the United States to direct the mode and $111,300.
THE CUBAN PRISONERS. manner in which it shall be paid.
Then we find that the saving is as follows:
Mr. BAYLY. I move that the rules be susand provide that it shall be paid in the manner treaty
$41,000 00 | pended, and that the House resolve itself into the which the Mexican Government desires. Does Upon the first installment..
Committee of the Whole on the state of the any man suppose that the Mexican Government
" second installment.
153,383 74 Union. My object is to take up the bill for the would take less than the amount which would be
“ third installment.
117,600 00 relief of the Cuban prisoners. required to pay the installment in Mexico? Does
"I fourth installment.
111,300 00 Mr. STANTON, of Ohio. I hope the House any man suppose she would accept of less than
will go to the regular order of the day. one hundred cents upon the dollar if paid in the
$590,683 74 The SPEAKER. The motion is a privileged city of New York?' The gentlemam from Vir- Making an aggregate of not quite $ 600,000 ginia (Mr. MEADE) says she would take four and saved, in the way of premium, upon the whole The question was then taken on the motion of a half per cent. less. Mr. Speaker, if there is any
transaction with Mexico; and so much less than Mr. Bayly, and it was agreed to. such evidence before this Congress or before the by the face of the treaty we were required to pay
So the House resolved itself into the Commitcountry, I confess that I have not seen it. I have her. Now how is this done? If you directed the
tee of the Whole on the state of the Union, not, perhaps, read this correspondence of the Secretary of the Treasury to pay this money, he (Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia, in the chair.) Mexican Minister, Mr. De la Rosa, with as much certainly would not send to Mexico an agent, and
The CHAIRMAN stated that the first business care as some other gentlemen. But in that cor- there draw drafis upon this country, in order to in order was the annual message of the President respondence, if I have read it aright, Mr. De la raise the amount of money there to pay it, because
of the United States, Rosa informs this Government, that the Mexican he would have no authority to do such a thing.
Mr. BAYLY. I move to lay that aside in or Government had received advances in money from Then you use these agents--as this and all other der to take up the bill I referred to just now. Mr. Forstall. I do not see that he has any au- governments have done, and, I presume, will do- Mr. CLINGMAN. I have no objection to the thority to ask this Government to pay Mr. For- in ne performance of this sort of duties. These motion of the gentleman, but I want to know stall in America, the money. It appears from this men go to Mexico and draw bills upon this coun- what is the decision of the Chair upon this quescorrespondence that the Mexican Government had try, upon England, upon France, perhaps upon tion. I understand it is regarded as in order for the received at one time $400,000, and at another, | Amsterdam, and other places, where the commerce chairman, or any other member of the Committee $250,000; but that Government is not bound to of the country may require. They sell those on Printing, to call up the question relating to the reimburse that money. Again, it is said that it drafts there, and when they have accumulated the printing contract with Donelson & Armstrong af could be paid on better terms through drafts on money, they pay it to that Government and take any time. I have no disposition to call it up.! Mr. Marks. Now, I want to know, if it appears a receipt therefor, and bring them here and receive want to know if the Chair holds that to be a privanywhere in this correspondence that the Mexi- the money from this Government.
ileged question which can be gotten rid of only by can Minister was ever authorized to receive the Now I think the Conmittee of Ways and unanimous consent, or that any member may call money at all, or any part of it? I ask if there is Means, at each time when it reported a bill in con
it up? a lawyer upon this foor-for I do not make any nection with that treaty, has discharged strictly The CHAIRMAN. The opinion of the Chair pretensions to one-who will say that a Minister and faithfully its duty to the country. I think that is, the business before the committee should be Plenipotentiary and Envoy Extraordinary of this bill should be passed as it comes from that taken up regularly in its order, and that a motion Mexico can receive the money due from this Gov- committee, making the appropriation and giving must be made to dispense with each case as it is ernment to Mexico? According to my informa- no direction about it. If any gentleman here will called. tion, he cannot. I have seen no authority from come and ask for an investigation of this matter, Mr. CLINGMAN. I am satisfied with that that Government to Mr. De la Rosa to receive to know when, where, how and in what manner decision, if it is acquiesced in by the committee. any part of this installment. But suppose our there hus been corruption or favoritism, by which The CHAIRMAN. If it is the unanimous conGovernment had accepted and paid the draft of high officers of the Government have improperly sent of the committee, the regular order of business Mr. Marks: had the Mexican Government ever received money, or have improperly put money will be dispensed with, and bill 63, “ For the engaged to accept those drafts? Not so far as we into the pockets of their friends, I will go with relief of American citizens lately imprisoned and are informed. Mr. De la Rosa asks that this Gov- them, and give them every facility in my power, pardoned by the Queen of Spain," will be taken ernment should accept them, but he did it without for a strict and scrutinizing investigation into the up: any authority from his Government, so far as I whole question, that it may be developed to Con
There was no objection. have seen, to make that request. gress, and be exposed to the country.
The CLERK read the bill as follows:
An aer for the relief of American citizens lately imprisoned Bayly) to make the motion that the committee against it. The reason why we vote this amount
and pardoned by the Queen of Spain. Be it enacied by the Senate and House of Representatives
rise and report the bill to the House. Upon which is because it is regarded as a sort of political of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
understanding the Chair had assigned the floor to offence, and those who have violated the neutrality That there be, and hereby is, appropriated the sum of the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Cartter] to make laws are entitled to considerations that relate to dollars, or so much thereof as may be necessary, out of any a motion.
political offences alone. I consider it important to money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for the Mr. BAYLY. On the contrary, as soon as he ihe integrity of your own laws, important to the relief of American citizens lately imprisoned and pardoned by the Queen of Spain, and who are out of the limits of the
stated that he desired to make an amendment I national integrity of this Government, that while l'nited States, the same to be expended under the direction modified my resolution so as to make it a simple we extend this relief from the dictates of humanof the President of the United States. motion to rise.
ity, we should throw around these laws a signifiMr. BAYLY. I made a call upon the Admin- || The CHAIRMAN. The Chair understood the cance which will preserve their force. But a few istration for an estimate of the sum which will be gentleman from Virginia to move that the coinmit- years since and we had this filibusterian expedinecessary for the relief of these prisoners. The lee rise and report the bill.
tion upon our northern frontier, and citizens of the estimate sent in is in these words:
Mr. BAYLY. But when the gentleman from United States were led to the scaffold and into the DEPARTMENT OF STATE,
Ohio gave notice that he had an amendment, I saw prisons of the provinces of Canada, or were transWASHINGTON, Junuary 8, 1852. at once I could not do that, and i modified my l ported to Van Diemen's Lund, to drag out their To the Hon. THOMAS H. BAY,
motion so as to make it simply that the committee | imprisonment there. When they were released Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs :
by the clemency of the British Government, you Sir: I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 6th instant, requesting, on behalf of the Com
The CHAIRMAN. I understand it, and will heard nothing about expending money from the muittee on Foreign Affairs, an estimate of the sum which put that question first.
public Treasury to bring them back to the United may be necessary to carry into effect the President's rec- The question was then taken on the motion of States. They were compelled to drag themselves emmendation in respect to the meinbers of the Lopez ex- Mr. Bayly, and it was agreed to.
back here with the assistance of benevolent forpedition recently set free in Spain In reply, I have the
So the committee rose, and the Speaker having eigners. honor to acquaint you that, according to the best information in possession of this Department, the number of those resumed the chair, the chairman of the commit- (Here the hammer fell.] farsons is from one hundred and sixty to one hundred and tee (Mr. Stephens, of Georgia) reported that The CHAIRMAN stated the hour fixed by the serenty. Some expenses will probably have been incurred
the Committee of the Whole upon the state of the House for the termination of debate had arrived. on their account prior to their release, and many of them will have required necessary clothing. This, including the
Union had had the state of the Union generally Mr. EVANS. Mr. Chairman, I desire cost of their passage home, may fairly be estimated at thir, under consideration, and particularly House biil Mr. BAYLY. I have the right, after the dety-five dollars each. An appropriation of six thousand dol- No. 63, being a bill for ihe relief of American bate has closed-having reported the bill—to be ars would, therefore, probably be sufficient for all these
citizens lately imprisoned and pardoned by the heard one hour under the rules. purposes. I have the honor to be, sir, very respectfully, your obedi
Queen of Spain, and had directed him to report The CHAIRMAN. The Chairman recognized ent servant,
DANIEL WEBSTER. that they had come to no conclusion thereon, and the gentleman from Maryland, (Mr. Evans)-not I move, therefore, that the blank in the bill be asked to be allowed to sit again.
knowing what motion he had to submit. filled with “six thousand.” If members will look
Mr. BAYLY. I move ihe usual resolution to Mr. EVANS. I rise for the purpose of offerat the bill they will see that it is carefully drawn.
stop debate upon this bill in five minutes after the ing an amendment. It provides for the appropriation of -dollars,
committee shall have resumed its consideration. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Viror so much thereof as may be necessary, out of
The question was then put and the resolution ginia is in order under the rules. the money in the public Treasury not otherwise was agreed to.
Mr. SWEETSER. I had supposed that the appropriated, for the relief of American citizens
Mr. BAYLY. I move that the rules be sus gentleman was entitled to his hour after all amendlately imprisoned and pardoned by the Queen of pended, and that the House resolve itself into a
ments had been considered in the Committee of Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union. the Whole. Spain, and who are oui of the limits of the United
Mr. CARTTER. Is it in order to move an The CHAIRMAN. He is entitled to his hour States, the same to be expended under the direc
after the time fixed for the termination of the detion of the President of the United States. I shall | adjournment! Three o'clock has arrived. Dot detain the committee with any remarks in ad
The SPEAKER. It is.
Mr. CARTTER. Then I move that this vocacy of the bill. I think it vindicates itself.
Mr. BAYLY, of Virginia. Gentlemen need not The question was taken upon the amendment, House do now adjourn.
suppose I am going to occupy an hour. I shall and it was agreed to.
(Cries of "No!" "No!”]
not occupy more than five minutes. I hope the Mr. BAYLY. I move that the committee rise
Mr. SKELTON called the yeas and nays upon bill may pass. The gentleman from Ohio (Mr. and report the bill to the House. adjournment; which were not ordered.
Cartten) seems to think that our making provisMr. GIDDINGS then obtained the floor, and
The question was then taken on the motion to ion to bring these prisoners home, is an approbation said he would avail himself of the opportunity to adjourn, and it was not agreed to.
of their conduct. Now, let me give the gentleman speak upon the subject of the foreign relations of
Mr. JOHNSON, of Tennessee. I suggest to a simplaillustration, which will, I am sure, refute the country, although not perhaps directly affect- the gentleman from Virginia, (Mr. BAYLY,) that his argument at once. It is the law of Virginia, ing the bill before the committee. He delivered a we can in this House discharge the committee and I presume the law of Ohio, that when the general speech on the doctrine of national inter- from the further consideration of this bill, and courts send a man to the penitentiary, and incarvention, which will be found in the Appendix.
there is no necessity for the proceeding the gen- cerate him there until the expiration of his term Mr. BAYLY, of Virginia. I do not propose tleman asks for.
of punishment, or until he is pardoned, there shall at this time to debate the subject of interven
Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. Only by unan- be paid to him money sufficient to get him other ton.
imous consent. A proper opportunity will occur for that
clothes than those worn in the penitentiary, and when we go into Committee of the Whole on the
The SPEAKER. It requires unanimous con- to carry him home. This is the law, I presume, Blate of the Union on the President's message;
in all of the States. It is a matter of sheer humanafter that another opportunity will occur upon a
The question was then taken on the motion of ity, and I take it for granted that it is the same in report which will come from the Committee on Mr. Bayly, and it was agreed to on a division of all of the States. Alier we have punished a man Foreign Affairs; but what I propose now to do is,
the House-ayes 99, noes not counted. So the -after he has expiated his offence-is it a crime to ask the committee to rise and stop this debate,
House again resolved itself in Committee of the lo afford him money to get back home. The simthat we may pass this bill appropriating six thou
Whole on the state of the Union, (Mr. Stephens, ple statement is a refutation of the proposition. sand dollars for the relief of some poor and
of Georgia, in the chair,) and resumed the consid- But the gentleman from Ohio says further, that if deluded citizens of our own country, who have eration of the bill No. 63.
we have power to appropriate these $6,000 to practically tested the expediency of intervention Mr. CARTTER. I offer the following amend- : bring home these Cuban prisoners from Spain, in the affairs of a foreign country. [Laughter.]
we have authority to appropriate money to carry I move that the committee do now rise.
Provided, That nothing in this act shall be construed into
home the convicis from State penitentiaries that Mr. SEYMOUR, of New York. I wish to
an approbation of any interference in the domestic attairs may be turned out. Now, we would have no
of Cuba by any of the citizens of the United States. authority under the Constitution to appropriate this say to the gentleman from Virginia that I desire this bill be laid aside to be reported to the House,
Mr. CARTTER. I submit that amendment in money were these men in our own territory. It to enable me to take up a bill to which I wish to good faith.
is because they are in foreign countries, because it propose an amendment. It is a bill which will not
Mr. BAYLY. I rise to a question of order. is a matter pertaining to our foreign relations that provoke any discussion, and is very much needed
My question is, that the amendment is not germane we have the power to appropriate this money. It to the bill.
is the distinction that Mr. Madison took. It is to be passed now.
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks, under Mr. BAYLY. The gentleman from New York
the distinction that Mr. Calhoun took in voting will perceive my object is to stop debate upon this
the circumstances, that it is germane. Where in- for the bill for the relief of the sufferers at Cabill, and to bring the House to action upon it at
dividuals convicted, according to the bill, of a vioence. I cannot consent to have this bill laid aside. i lation of the laws of Cuba, it is ceruinly germane As to that Caracas affair, I always doubted If it is to pass at all it should be passed at once.
to declare that, in the passage of this bill, we the constitutionality of it, because it was for the I move that the committee rise.
express no approbation of their conduct. The relief of foreigners and not American citizens. amendment is in order.
When our citizens are within the limits of any Mr. CARTTER. I have an amendment I wish to offer. It is this:
Mr. CARTTER. The appropriation of six of the States, the General Government has nothProvided, That nothing in this act shall be construed into
thousand dollars contemplated by this bill, is de- | ing to do with them. They are under the jurisapprobation of any interference in the domestic affairs of signed for the purpose of bringing home certain diction of the separate States, and it is for the States Cuba by any of the citizens of the United States.
men who have violated the neutrality laws of this to take care of them; but when they are beyond Mr. BAYLY. I rise to a question of order. country and the national sovereignty of a foreign the limits of the United States, they are under the It is this: Pending a motion to rise an amendment Power. Our own laws are either at fault, or this protection of our Government, and it is our duty not in order.
appropriation ought to be made, under the cir- to take care of them. It is for that reason we Mr. CARTTER. I have the floor, I believe. cumstances, to promote the efficiency of those have appropriated annually from the foundation
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will state that laws. If the proposition were to expend money of the Government to this time a sum of money h
understood the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. to deliver your penitentiaries, all would vote to relieve disabled and sick seamen in foreign
countries; but no one will maintain we have a right Mr. CAMPBELL. If the rules are to be en- and their country, and in direct violation of the to make an appropriation to relieve
forced more strictly than they ever have been laws of the land in the face, too, of the solemn Mr. CARTTER. I wish to inquire, in all se- before, why, of course, I will submit. I am a and friendly warning which the President of the riousness, if the gentleman puts disabled seamen law-abiding man, and desire to conform to the United States had given them by his proclamation, as a tender against the neutrality laws of the rules. I may be permitted to say, that such an And yet, forsooth, we propose,
after they have had United States and against
application of the rule has never been made. a ride over the salt water, to heroize and lionize Mr. BAYLY. I am now speaking of our [Cries of “Go on!” “Go on!”].
them, to pay their wine bill, &c., and that they power. The gentleman denied our authority to I should have been done before this if I had been should travel back at the public expense. inake the appropriation. allowed to go on.
Mr. PENN. How does the gentleman propose Mr. CARTTER. No; I did not. I am will- ve ORR. The rule has been enforced with
to get them back? ing to vote for your bill, if you will save your equal strictness upon other gentlemen.
Mr. CAMPBELL. I have no particular de luws.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman in his re- sire about their coming back until they earn Mr. BAYLY. If I had understood the gentle- marks must confine himself to the amendment he enough to pay their expenses, and are thoroughly man was not denying our authority, I should not ofi'ered. Such was the decision of the committee reformed. “Let them work their passage, as honhave spoken upon that point. say that it is to-day.
est people do, who are away from home without precisely because these people are beyond the Mr. CAMPBELL. After having this decision
Let them act as firemen upon your limits of the United States; that they are not under of the Chair, I will prove my disposition to obey steaniers-let them black the boots of the passen. the protection of any State government-they the law and shall not insist upon debating the gers, if they please, as better men hare often done are by our Constitution empliatically under the amendment. Besides, I confess that for the faith- before. protection of the National Government. We have ful disbursement of the fund if appropriated, ! Mr. PENN. How will you clothe them? che authority to grant them that relief which, were have as much confidence in the officer (the Presi- Mr. CAMPBELL. I understand the Queen they in the States, the State governments would dent) selected already by the bill, as in the Secre- of Spain has already clothed them; if not, let have to extend. That is the distinction.
tary of State. I will withdraw the amendment. them do it in the same honest way, by the labor Mr. MEADE. I ask my colleague to give me Mír. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. I would inquire of their hands and sweat of their brows. information upon this point: Are these prisoners | whether it would be in order to move to strike out Mr. PENN. They have no clothes. still in Spain, or on their way to the United States, all after the enacting clause?
Mr. CAMPBELL. They will have to come and at whose expense?
The CHAIRMAN. It will be, if the gentle- | naked, then, because we have no power to clothe Mr. BAYLY. We have no information upon man offers to insert something.
the poor and distressed out of the national Trea. that point. They probably are still in Spain.
Mr. CAMPBELL. I make the motion, then,
sury They are certainly there unless some charitable to strike out all after the enacting clause, and in- [Here the hammer fell.] ship-master is bringing them here, or unless the sert an appropriation of $500 to the widow and Mr. STUART. I am greatly surprised at the Queen of Spain is sending them home. If the children of Lieutenant Crittenden.
position of the gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. CAMP Queen of Spain was sending them home, it would Mr. POLK. I would ask the gentleman from Bell.] I am not less surprised at the course of be only decent and proper in us, before we have Ohio if Lientenant Crittenden was married? his remarks than to learn the source from which that information, to make an appropriation for Mr. CAMPBELL. I don't know whether he he ever drew his doctrine. Is any such do. their relief. We only appropriate so much as was or not, and I don't care much, as my chief trine taught upon the face of the earth? I ask may be necessary for their relief, and we hold the purpose is to raise my voice against this bill in a the gentleman, beginning with the time when the President accountable for the manner in which he five minutes' speech-this being the last chance. Saviour came to this world, and coming down to expends the money. I shall not detain the House If he was never married there will be no money to the present time, to tell me, whether he has ever further. I hope the bill may pass.
be paid under my amendment, if it prevails. I read of doctrines such as he has uttered here toMr. POLK submittted the following amend- will add on that point, that I regard it as a great day! I am aware that the Government of the ment to the amendment:
loss if a man of such indomitable bravery and United States, through its Executive branch, Nor in any way imply a disposition on the part of this
courage as Lieutenant Crittenden, in his dying went too far-greatly too far-when it proclaimed House, to violate the principle imbodied in the Farewell
hour, showed he possessed, whatever might have in advance that these men were outlaws and Address of President Washington, by encouraging the opin- been his follies, was not married. He ought pirates, and thus furnished the Cuban and Spanion that our Government will interfere in the affairs of Eu
to have left some children. I am opposed to ish powers with grounds for treating them as ropean powers.
this bill, because it provides an appropriation pirates—to be considered as beyond and outside of The question was then taken, and the amend- of a large amount of money out of the public our treaty obligations, and hence noi entitled to ment rejected.
Treasury, to bring back to the United States those the privileges of American citizens. Mr. CARTTER demanded tellers upon his who are admitted by the chairman who reports But, sir, has it come to this, that we rise here in amendment; which were ordered, and Messrs. the bill, to have been criminals—to bring back our places and say, that fellow-citizens who have MEACham and Cartier were appointed.
those who are acknowledged to have violated our been thus unfortunate are to be brought back to question taken
put jeopardy , to friends, to
their were-ayes 79, noes 58. application of the funds of the public Treasury to outside of the protection even of God himself
. If So the amendment was agreed to.
any such purpose. There are very many excel- that doctrine is to be carried outMr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. I propose to amend; | lent citizens of the West who, in pursuing an honest Mr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. Will the gentle and have only a word to say, and for the purpose business-in carrying on lawful trade-in going man allow me a word of explanation? of getting an opportunity to say it, I move to add to New Orleans with produce, for instance, have Mr. STUART. Certainly. to the bill an appropriation of $500 to the widow met with misfortunes upon our western waters, Mr. CAMPBELL. The gentleman must not and children of Lieutenant Crittenden, who was resulting from the snags in the Mississippi and other understand me as having, as an individual, no shot down at Havana.
rivers, which the strict constructionists of this feeling of sympathy with these unfortunate mel, Mr. ORR. I rise to a question of order. The House could not consent to have taken out. They who, having been misguided, may have been proposition of the gentleman from Ohio is not ger- were left there far away from their homes and placed in a situation of this character. So far as mane to the bill under consideration.
friends, without the means of returning to them. I might aid a fellow man in that situation-in The CHAIRMAN. The Chair so decides. Mr. BAYLY, of Virginia. I would ask the misery and want I would doubtless, as an indiMr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. I then move to gentleman why Ohio did not provide for them?
vidual, be willing to go just as far as the gentiestrike out “ $6,000" and insert “ $100.”
Mr. CAMPBELL. Because our people never man from Michigan to relieve him by my indiThe CHAIRMAN. The Chair is of the opin- || ass or expect to be relieved from such inconveni- | vidual means; but when the proposition is, io vote ion that the amendment is not in order, inasmuch onces by their Government. They rely upon out of the national Treasury a fund for such a pura
$6,000" was put in by the committee. the labor of their hard hands and the impulses of pose, I say that we have no power to appro Mr. CAMPBELL. I will add “$500,” making | their bold hearts for relief. These very men who priate the money of the people
to alleviate eren it “$6,500.”
through misfortune were deprived of the means of the distresses of those who, in honest and lawful The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is of the opin- | returning to their families, never dreamed of call- pursuits, are reduced to nakedness and want, ion that the amount cannot be changed. The com- ing on the national Government for help. They much less to pay such a reward for a violation of mittee have filled the blank.
“ worked their passages” homeward, as deck the established law of the land. Mr. CAMPBELL. I will make this motion: hands and firemen on steamboats; and if we com
Mr. STUART. The gentleman did not come " that the Secretary of State be authorized to make pel honest people, who are loyal citizens, to do this,
to this question of power before. He did not the disbursement of the fund,'s
I ask, what power have we-what right have weThe CHAIRMAN. The Chair suggests that
argue his amendment before the committee upon what reason have we, to take the very money the gentleman had better strike out “under the which they have earned in part, and placed in
the question of power. He never alluded to it,
and I only rose--as I am averse at all times to direction of the President of the United States," your Treasury, and over which we are their and insert “under an agent to be appointed by the
detain the House-to repel such positions as tie chosen guardians, and appropriate it to the benefit assumed in his remarks. President of the United States.''
of those who are acknowledged to be criminals Mr. CAMPBELL. I have no copy of the bill
Mr. CAMPBELL then withdrew his amendbefore the whole world? It seems to me that is it. I desire simply to say that I am opposed to
Mr. EVANS moved to amend the bill by addthough I may stand solitary and alone, I go | ing thereto the following: this bill, and shall so yote when the question is against this whole system, which glorifies and taken on its passage. I was in favor of the amend
Provided, That the President of the United States shall pays for violations of law, at the expense of indus- send no ship of war for the purpose of bringing back these ment of my colleague excluding the inference that trious, innocent poverty. These men are there prisoners. we indorsed the Cuban enterprise. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair calls the gen
let them get back upon their own resources. It Mr. E. said: I take it that if a ship of war was
was a voluntary act of their own when they went tleman to order. He must confine his remarks to to Cuba. They went there with a full knowledge would be deemed an act of intervention on the
sent to Spain to bring back these prisoners, 1 the amendment he offered.
of the dangers to which they subjected themselves || part of this Government. "Gentlemen see that I