Mr. JETT. From the beginning up until last April, from the very beginning of the klan.

Mr. NICKELS. Are you or not acquainted with Dr. H. W. Evans! Mr. JETT. I am.

Mr. NICKELS. How long have you known Doctor Evans? Mr. JETT. I have known him since he officially was- a little, short time before he was officially connected with the Klan. What year it was or what month I do not know, but soon after he came over here, and they ran Mr. Wade out, he was appointed imperial klaliff, and from that time on up until the convocation he was imperial klaliff.

Senator KING. Can you not answer as to how long you have known him? You could have answered the question in five words, and you have talked two minutes.

Mr. JETT. I have known him three years.

Mr. NICKELS. State briefly the nature of the duties of your employment with the organization. In what department were you employed:

Mr. JETT. Department of investigation most of the time, under F. L. Savage, from the exposé of the New York World. I was put in the employment of the New York World during the exposé. Previous to that time I was getting members. After that, after the exposé of the New York World, I was put in the department of investigation under F. L. Savage. The duties were to investigate

Mr. ZUMBRUNN. Wait a minute. I object to his stating what his duties were. It is not responsive to the question, and I think when he gets to that I may have something to say about it.

Mr. NICKELS. Were you working under Savage all the time you were connected with the department of investigation? Mr. JETT. Yes, sir. He was my boss all the time.

Mr. NICKELS. Do you know T. J. McKinnon?

Mr. JETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. NICKELS. What was his position, if you know?

Mr. JETT. He was the office man under F. L. Savage, of the department of investigation.

Mr. NICKELS. Do you know John D. Maher?

Mr. JETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. NICKELS. What was his position, if you know?

Mr. JETT. He had the position-his official position was with the Government, around with different Government employees like Mr. Handy, Mr. Farland, Mr. Means, and others. He worked out of Washington.

Mr. NICKLES. What class of Government employees are you referring to now when you mention Means and Farland?

Senator KING. Do you mean he was like Gaston Means?

Mr. JETT. Gaston Means and he were kind of the same type, working together.

Mr. NICKELS. You are referring to Gaston B. Means when you say Means"?

Mr. JETT. Yes; when he was in the Department of Justice.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you mean they were of the same type as to their employment, or of the same type in their character?

Mr. JETT. In other words, Mr. Maher was to find out what Mr. Means and others knew which was hurtful to any of the klan officials or the klan itself. In other words, Mr. Handy, a Department of

Justice man-I think he had part of North Carolina to handle. There was some trouble up in North Carolina

Mr. MCLEAN. Mr. Chairman, we want to register an objection here for Senator Mayfield, that this investigation from now on be confined to the conduct of people directly toward Senator Mayfield or Senator Mayfield's conduct. It appears to me, just as a mere outsider, practically, save and except as an assistant attorney to Senator Mayfield-and that is as far as my employment goes-that they are endeavoring to investigate Ku-Klux Klan matters. That has nothing on earth to do with this, unless as to the klan's activities in spending money, if it did spend it, for Senator Mayfield in Texas. It strikes me that all this inquiry is just investigating the workings of the Ku-Klux Klan by some of their ex-members or ex-employees. I do not think the resolution authoritizes that investigation.

The CHAIRMAN. You may proceed with the witness. It may be helpful to counsel to announce now that the committee does not see any reason why they should investigate the Ku-Klux Klan as an organization. That organization is chartered by one of the States of the Union. If that organization is as bad as counsel for contestant claim, there are direct quo warranto proceedings which are available. The committee will, of course, inquire into the conduct of the KuKlux Klan in regard to the Mayfield election, as far as competent and relevant evidence may be introduced, precisely as they would inquire into the conduct of any other organization or of any individual in connection with the election, but as to the general conduct or purposes of the Ku-Klux Klan, outside of its connection with the senatorial election in Texas, the committee is not disposed to inquire. You may proceed with the witness.

Mr. NICKELS. Mr. Jett, are you acquainted with N. N. Furney? Mr. JETT. I am.

Mr. NICKELS. What is his position with the Ku-Klux Klan at the imperial palace?

Mr. JETT. Right now I do not know. At that time he was, all up to last April, he was cashier and head bookkeeper.

Mr. NICKELS. In the fall of 1922 state whether or not you were called upon by Mr. Furney to accompany him to a bank in Atlanta? Mr. JETT. Along about October, sometime that way, Mr. Furney, or sometime in October, Mr. Furney asked me to go to the bank with him. There was one of us in the investigating department always went to the bank with Mr. Furney every morning.

Senator KING. Just answer the questions and then stop, and we will get along faster.

Mr. NICKELS. Was it or not a frequent matter for you to be called upon to accompany Mr. Furney to the bank?

Mr. JETT. It was.

Mr. NICKELS. Did you or not see Dr. Evans in connection with that visit to the bank?

Mr. JETT. Yes, sir.

Mr. NICKELS. Where did you first see Evans in connection with

that visit?

Mr. JETT. He was in the Imperial Klaliff's office with a delegation from Texas, supposed to be from Texas; that is what he

Mr. NICKELS. Did or not Evans state

Mr. ZUMBRUNN. I object to his stating what is supposed to be. I would like to have him confine himself to facts. I would like to

know just what he means by that, and I suppose the committee would.

Mr. JETT. There was a delegation came into the palace there, we will say a delegation of two or three men, and we always called them delegations, and we announced them, from Dallas, or San Antonio or Houston, is here to see Doctor Evans, Mr. Clarke, Colonel Simmons, or something like that. I was kind of a doorman and everything, and held them out in the office there. If they wanted to see them, we would let them in.

Senator NEELY. What was the announcement on this occasion you speak of.

Mr. JETT. To go to the bank and get some money..

Senator NEELY. No; in regard to the delegation from Texas. You say it was "supposed to be" a delegation from Texas.

Mr. JETT. The announcement was, "a delegation from Texas to see Doctor Evans."

Senator NEELY. Who made that announcement?

Mr. JETT. Whoever came in, the leader of it, whoever did the first talking when they came in the door. We have two doormen there. It is locked. You have to give your name and everything before you get in, and announce who you want to see.

Senator NEELY. Do you remember who made the announcement that morning.

Mr. JETT. No, sir; I do not.

Mr. NICKELS. State whether or not you were in any conference in which Doctor Evans and these men who were supposed to be from Texas participated.

Mr. JETT. They held it there in Doctor Evans's room in my presence, and Mr. Savage, and I think Mr. Montgomery, and Mr. Clarke. Mr. NICKELS. What, if anything, was said in that conference about the Corsicana injunction case and the Texas general election?

Mr. MCLEAN. Mr. Chairman, that is after the election, after the contest, after litigation had started; and what activities the klan or anybody else for Mr. Mayfield took after the election, after the case was tried, would be wholly irrelevant and immaterial, and tend to shed no light upon the issue in this case.

The CHAIRMAN. If the conduct or statements after an event throw light upon the preceding events, the testimony is competent. The testimony shows thus far that in a conference at which Senator Mayfield was present with the leaders of the Ku-Klux Klan it was definitely agreed between them that the Ku-Klux Klan would take no part at that time in the primary elections between three men, each of them a member of the klan, each of them a contestant for Senator, but the inference from that agreement, which was in writing, was largely to the effect that afterwards the Ku-Klux Klan reserved the right to take what part they saw fit. There was undoubtedly an agreement the contestant calls it a conspiracy-between those men in regard to the election. Whatever anyone of those parties said or did in legal pursuance of that agreement I have no doubt is competent.

Mr. MCLEAN. But the entire election had ended at that time. The CHAIRMAN. That would not make any difference, if their statements or conduct afterwards threw light upon what they did before the election. Suppose, Mr. McLean, that at this conference

the head of the Ku-Klux Klan had said, "We spent a million dollars in that election"

Mr. McLEAN. It would not even be binding on Senator Mayfield if they had proven a conspiracy, because it would be after the consummation of the conspiracy, after his election, and the actions and declarations of the coconspirators are not admissible in any hearing or under any rule of law I have ever seen, after the consummation of the conspiracy.

The holding of the courts, Federal and State, is that it is not admissible at all.

The CHAIRMAN. Let us see how far this goes.

Senator KING. I take the view announced by Mr. McLean, that under the authorities, even after you prove a conspiracy, declarations by coconspirators, after the consummation of the criminal acts contemplated, are not admissible as against coconspirators, but they are admissible against the person who makes them. Mr. McLEAN. The person himself.

Senator KING. However, I support the chairman, that we will hear this a little further.

Mr. NICKELS. I just want to call attention to the fact that this relates to a time prior to the final accomplishment of the object of what we call the conspiracy, to wit, the general elections.

The CHAIRMAN. What was the date of this?

Senator NEELY. October?

Mr. JETT. October, I think.

The CHAIRMAN. 1922?

Mr. JETT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You may proceed.

Mr. JETT. It was after that injunction was filed.
Senator KING. Were you a mere doorkeeper there?

Mr. JETT. No, sir.

Senator KING. What was your position?

Mr. JETT. Investigator.

Senator KING. At this particular time?

Mr. JETT. Waiting for something to happen to be sent out. Senator KING. But you performed a duty other than as a doorkeeper?

Mr. JETT. Oh, yes.

Senator KING. You called yourself a doorkeeper?

Mr. JETT. In other words, a lot of the time there were about a dozen of us there waiting for something to happen there to go out. I would be waiting there and attending the door. If another man came in, we would try to find out

Senator KING. The conferences of which you spoke, and which were held occasionally at the palace, were participated in by such unimportant personages as yourself?

Mr. JETT. To a great extent.

Senator KING. That is, not members of the organization?

Mr. JETT. I am a life member.

Senator KING. You were not an officer, a Grand Kleagle, or Titan, or anything of that kind, one of the executive officers?

Mr. JETT. No; not an executive.

Senator KING. You were just an investigator?
Mr. JETT. Yes, sir.

Senator KING. Was that your title?

Mr. JETT. That was the title on the books; yes, sir.
Senator KING. You were hired to investigate?

Mr. JETT. Yes, sir.

Senator KING. What were you paid a month?

Mr. JETT. On the books I was paid about $40 a week and expenses, and I made about $500, probably, to $1,000.

Senator KING. How did you do that?

Mr. JETT. I would rather not answer.

Senator KING. By selling your information to outside sources? Mr. JETT. No, sir; I never sold a bit of information in my life. Senator KING. By blackmailing?

Mr. JETT. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the ground of your objection to answer? Mr. JETT. Well, it would probably incriminate and probably be a reflection on some of my, what I term, good friends.

Senator KING. Incriminate yourself?

Mr. JETT. I do not think it would. I do not mind telling you. Mr. NICKELS. I think the witness ought to state that.

Mr. JETT. I will tell you; I will just give you one illustration. You can look there in that year. I went to Tampa, Fla., to get an affidavit from a girl whose evidence would, if she was to give a newspaper story out to a reporter, and by the time he would fix it up, it would look bad on an official. I do not know what expense money I turned in. I know I spent $1,800 on that trip. Suppose this; suppose I went down and I was able to accomplish for $500 on that. Don't you see? Senator NEELY. You mean you grafted $1,300 from somebody? Mr. JETT. In other words, that is the real way, and that is the only way

Senator NEELY. You are telling this committee that you are a common thief. Is not that what you mean?

Mr. JETT. No; it was well known to every official in the Ku-Klux Klan, from Colonel Simmons down. We was all stealing, in other words, if you want to put it that way.

Mr. NICKELS. What was said in the conference, if any thing, about the Corsicana injunction?

Mr. JETT. This was not a conference; you could not call it a conference, just three or four men. I do not mean to say that. Mr. Evans you see, there is a propagation department, which was under the supervision and direction of Mr. Clarke and Mrs. Tyler. At this time Clarke was imperial wizard. They had shipped Simmons out, and Mr. Evans had been turned over so many States for him to graft on. That was his little graft, 11 States.

Mr. NICKELS. Did that or not include Texas?

Mr. JETT. Yes, sir. In other words, Evans had his little-all the money that came out of 11 States went to Mr. Evans for his participation in different things. The propagation department, under Mr. Clarke and Mrs. Tyler, got the rest of the money, outside of what went to the national organization.

Mr. ZUMBRUNN. Mr. Chairman, it just strikes me now that that character of testimony--I was glad to hear the witness's admission, however is clearly an attack upon the Ku-Klux Klan, and can not have any direct bearing upon any charge under investigation, and