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Petition of Moses Young.
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one thousand seven hundred and eighty-two, including his services as such, but in part as an indemnificathe usual allowance of three months for returning to tion for other services, and for losses he had susAmerica ; and that, after deducting the sums received tained in consequence of being in public employfrom Doctor Franklin, and by his attorney, Joseph ment; and, therefore, Mr. Young's claim on account Nourse, the balance ought to be paid by the United of a supposed violation of contract on the part of States."
Mr. Laurens, is not well founded; and, besides, it The facts of the case are these: Mr. Young was remarked, that Mr. Young, in the account he was appointed Secretary to Mr. Laurens on his has settled, has no reference in his note of reservaembassy to Holland. Mr. Laurens, it appears, had tion, to any subsequent claim on account of any recommended to Mr. Young to take but one half contract between him and Mr. Laurens. After a of his salary, in consideration of the embassy's long debate, the question on agreeing to the report having proved inefficient; and, as an inducement, of the committee in favor of the petitioner, as above informed Mr. Young that he'(Mr. Laurens) in- stated, was put and negatived, 27 to 25. tended to relinquish the whole of his salary. Mr. Mr. W. Smith then moved that the petition of Young, from patriotic motives, and influenced by Moses Young, with the additional evidence and the example of Mr. Laurens, accordingly relin- documents accompanying the same, be recommitquished one half of his salary as Secretary afore- ted to a select committee. This motion was said ; but finding afterwards that Mr. Laurens had, lost. on his return to America, received his full salary and emoluments from the Government, as Ambassador, Mr. Young, in the petition, prays that he
THURSDAY, December 6. may be paid the full amount of the salary he had, Mr. Madison, from the committee appointed, on the aforesaid considerations, relinquished. All presented a bill to authorize the settlement of the the vouchers and documents relating to this sub-accounts of Lewis Garanger, for military services ject were read: among others, an account settled during the late war; which was read twice, and between the United States and Mr. Young. The committed. question, therefore, according to the opinion given Mr. Key, from the committee to whom was reby the gentlemen who supported the petition was, ferred the petition of Woodrop and Joseph Sims, whether the present Government should avail made a report; which was read, and ordered to itself of this settlement made under the circum- be committed to a Committee of the Whole House stances already stated, and thereby preclude the on Monday next. petitioner from the full allowance to which he The SPEAKER laid before the House a Letter was, by a resolution of the former Congress enti- and report from the Commissioners for settling tled, es pecially as by the account settled it appears the accounts between the United States and the that Mr. Young made a reservation of a further individual States, pursuant to the order of the 26th claim. It was observed that the allegations in the ultimo; which was read, and ordered to lie on the petition were supported by the most explecit de table. clarations on the part of Mr. Laurens; and that The House resolved itself into a Committee of the petitioner was clearly nd justly entitled to the Whole House on the bill for enrolling and the sum he had relinquished on a contingency licensing ships or vessels to be employed in the which had not taken place, but directly the reverse; coasting trade and fisheries, and for regulating the it was said that it would be little short of taking a same; and, after some time spent therein, Mr. pettifogging advantage of the petitioner.
SPEAKER resumed the chair, and Mr. SEDGWICK In opposition to the report in favor of the peti- reported that the Committee had had the said bill tioner, it was said that the settlement made at the under consideration, and made several amendpublic office appears to have been done delibe- ments thereto. rately, and the allowance of the salary of £250 ster Ordered, That the said bill, with the amendling, was made pursuant to certificates received ments, do lie on the table. from Mr. Laurens, as a full salary. It was urged, The SPEAKER laid before the House a Letter that if the Legislature should rip up transactions from Joshua SENEY, one of the members for the so long settled, and do away accounts finally closed State of Maryland, stating his acceptance of an with the proper officers, it would be a most danger- appointment in the Judiciary Department of the ous precedent indeed. "It was constantly echoed in said State, which disqualifies him from a seat in the House, that these settlements were not to be this House; which was read, and ordered to lie disturbed; the consequence, it was easy to perceive, on the table. would be of the most perplexing nature; there The following Message was received, with would be no end to the applications which would closed doors, from the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED take place; applications, accompanied with cir- STATES: cumstances whose pretensions, it was said, were
UNITED States, December 6, 1792. much more weighty and important than that now under consideration. It was further observed, that Gentlemen of the Senate, and it does not appear that Mr. Laurens had deviated of the House of Representatives : from his agreement with Mr. Young, in settling The several measures which have been pursued to his account ; for, though he had received his full induce the hostile Indian tribes, North of the Ohio, to salary as Ambassador, it plainly appears that he enter into a conference or treaty with the United States, did not receive it merely as a compensation for at which all causes of difference might be fully under
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Case of Woodrop Sims.
stood, and justly and amicably arranged, have already opinion of the House that the present case natubeen submitted to both Houses of Congress.
rally included this discussion, the reference ought The papers, herewith sent, will inform you of the to be to a Committee of the Whole. Some genresult.
tlemen thought that the most simple process was G. WASHINGTON.
to accept the resignation, and make entry accordThe papers accompanying the said Message ingly in the Journal; a notification to be sent to were read, and ordered to lie on the table.
the Executive of the State of Maryland. The
motion for commitment of the Letter was negaCASE OF WOODROP SIMS.
tived; a motion was then made that the SPEAKER Mr. Key, of the committee on the petition of Maryland of a representation of that State, by the
of the House notify the Executive of the State of Woodrop and Joseph Sims, brought in a report, resignation of Mr. Sener. This motion was newhich
that the relief prayed for ought to be granted.
gatived and the Letter laid on the table. The reading of the petition was called for, the from the Secretary of the Treasury, accompany
The SPEAKER laid before the House a Letter prayer of which is, that they may be released from the payment of duties on sundry goods lost on a from the Comptroller of the Treasury, relative to
ing certain statements, together with a Letter voyage from New York to Philadelphia. A motion was made to accept the report of the War, in the years one thousand seven hundred
the disbursements made by the Department of committee. Mr. Goodhue observed that though he was dis
and ninety, and one thousand seven hundred and posed to grant relief in the case, yet he saw no
ninety-one, pursuant to the order of the thirteenth principle on which it could be done; had the own- ultimo; which were read, and ordered to lie on
the table. ers insured a sum sufficient to have covered the duties, they would have avoided the additional
Mr. Sedgwick, from the committee appointed, loss occasioned by having given bond for them. presented a bill to continue in force for a limited He thought that the House ought to proceed with time, and to amend the act, entitled “ An act
progreat caution, as granting relief in the present case United States and foreign nations; which was re
viding the means of intercourse between the would be establishing a precedent which might be attended with great inconvenience and eventual
ceived, read twice, and committed. loss of revenue.
The House again resolved itself into a Com
mittee of the Whole House on the bill to ascerMr. W. Smith said, that relief had been granted tain the fees demandable on Admiralty proceedings in a former case, which perhaps was similar; though in the District Courts of the United States, and to he did not perfectly recollect the circumstances: amend in part the act, entitled “ An act for the and said he wished the law he alluded to might government and regulation of seamen in the be read. He suggested the propriety of receiving merchants service ;" and, after some time spent the opinion of the Secretary of the Treasury, as it was of the greatest importance that a full'in-therein, the Committee rose and reported progress. vestigation of the subject should take place pre-closed doors, from the PreSIDENT OF THE UNITED
The following Message was received, with vious to any decision.
States: Mr. Fitzsimons observed, that this was an individual case; it stood on its own merits; every
United States, December 7, 1792. member of the House was fully competent to Gentlemen of the Senate, and forming an opinion on it; and he hoped the
of the House of Representatives : House would determine respecting it for themselves.
I lay before you two Letters, with their enclosures, Mr. Fitzsimons then stated the particulars to from the Governor of the Southwestern Territory, and
an extract of a Letter to him from the Department of show that this was a case of peculiar hardship and
War. misfortune; and that the loss of the duties to which
These, and a Letter of the ninth of October last, which the petitioners were exposed, arose in part from has been already communicated to you, from the same an excess of official attention on the part of the Department to the Governor, will show in what manner Collector of New York. After some further re- the first section of the act of the last session, which promarks by different gentlemen, the petition and vides for calling out the Militia for the repelling of Inreport were referred to a Committee of the Whole, dian invasions, has been executed. It remains to be for Monday next.
considered by Congress whether, in the present situation of the United States, it be advisable or not to pursue
any further or other measures than those which have Friday, December 7.
already been adopted. The nature of the subject does, of itself
, call for your immediate attention to it; and I The Letter from Mr. Seney, containing his re- must add, that, upon the result of your deliberations, signation was again read, and a motion made to the future conduct of the Executive will on this occarefer the same to a committee; some debate en- sion materially depend. sued on this motion, in which the question was
G. WASHINGTON. started how far it was in the power of a member of the House to vacate his seat; the solution of Ordered, That the said Message, together with this, it was said, would involve a lengthy discus- the papers herein referred to be committed to a sion of some constitutional questions ; if it was the Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
Monday, December 10.
Ordered, That the said memorial be referred Mr. Williamson, from the committee appoint- to the Secretary of the Treasury, with instruction ed, presented a bill to amend an act, entitled " An to examine the same, and report his opinion thereact to promote the progress of Useful Arts;" which upon to the House. was received, read twice, and committed.
A memorial was presented of John Nicholson, The Speaker laid before the House a Letter Cornelius Barnes, John Mitchell, junior, and Norfrom the Secretary of War, enclosing the copy of ton Pryor, creditors of the United States, who a letter from the Governor of Georgia, together loaned money between September, one thousand with certain communications relative to Indian seven hundred and seventy-seven, and March, one affairs; which were read, and ordered to be re-thousand seven hundred and seventy-eight, prayferred to the consideration of a Committee of the ing that an appropriation may be made for the Whole House to-day.
payment of the arrears of interest due, and the Mr. William Smith, from the committee ap- annual interest accruing on the amount of their pointed, presented a bill to establish an uniform respective claims. system of bankruptcy throughout the United Ordered, That the said memorial do lie on the States; which was received, read twice, and com
The House again resolved itself into a ComThe House resolved itself into a Committee of mittee of the Whole House on the Report of the the Whole House on the Message from the Pre- Secretary of the Treasury of the estimates of the SIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, of the 7th instant, sums necessary to be appropriated for the service together with the papers therein referred to, rela- of the year one thousand seven hundred and tive to the execution of the act for calling out the ninety-three; and, after some time spent therein, Militia to repel the invasions of the Indians; and, the Committee rose and reported progress. after some time spent therein, the Chairman re
On a motion made and seconded that the House ported that the Committee had had the said Mes-do come to the following resolutions: sage and papers under consideration, and made “Resolved, That a loan to the amount of the balances some progress therein.
which, upon a final settlement of accounts, shall be
found due from the United States to the individual Tuesday, December 11.
States, be opened at the Treasury of the United States, The SPEAKER laid before the House a Letter and at the loan offices in the respective States, to comand Report from the Secretary of the Treasury, be reported at the Treasury, and to continue open for
months after the said balances shall on the petition of Abraham Scribner and Thomas
the term of Cable; which were read, and ordered to lie on
months, from the time of its comthe table.
mencement. The House again resolved itself into a Commit- loans be payable in the principal or interest of the cer
“ Resolved, That the sums to be subscribed to such tee of the Whole House on the Message from the tificates or notes issued by any such of the said States, President of the UNITED States, of the 7th as, upon the final settlement of accounts, shall have a instant, together with the papers therein referred balance due to them from the United States, and which to, relative to the execution of the act for calling shall have been liquidated to specie value prior to the out the Militia to repel the invasions of the In
day of - last. dians; and, after some time spent therein, the “ Resolved, That every subscriber to the said loan Chairman reported that the Committee had again shall be entitled to certificates according to the sum had the said Message and papers under considera- subscribed, of the like tenor and description, in the like tion, and made a further progress therein. proportions, and upon the like terms, as are specified
and directed by the fifteenth and sixteenth sections of Wednesday, December 12.
the act, entitled “ An act making provision for the Debt
of the United States," except that interest on such of The Speaker laid before the House a Letter the certificates subscribed to the said loan as bear infrom the Secretary of War, enclosing a statement terest
, shall be computed to the last day of the year one of certain materials whereon the estimate of con- thousand seven hundred and ninety-three, inclusively, tingencies of the War Department, for the year and that interest shall not begin to accrue upon any of one thousand seven hundred and ninety-three, are the certificates which shall be issued in lieu thereof, till founded; also, an explanation of certain heads of the first day of January, one thousand seven hundred articles in the general estimate, called “conjectu- and ninety-four. ral ;" which were read, and ordered to be referred
“ Resolved, That in all cases where the sum subto the consideration of the Committee of the scribed in the evidences of the debt of any State shall Whole House on the Report of the Secretary of exceed the balance due to such State, the same shall be the Treasury of the estimates of the sums neces
reduced (in equal proportions) to the sum actually due
to such State." sary to be appropriated for the service of the
year one thousand seven hundred and ninety-three. Ordered, That the said motion be referred to
A memorial of Moses Young was presented to the consideration of a Committee of the Whole the House and read, praying to be compensated House on the first Monday of January next. for certain services as Secretary to Mr. Laurens The House again resolved itself into a Comand to Doctor Franklin, on their embassies to mittee of the Whole House on the bill to ascertain Holland and France, for which he has received no the fees demandable on Admiralty proceedings in satisfaction.
the District Courts of the United States, and to
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amend in part the act, entitled "An act for the " Resolved, That, for defraying the expenses of government and regulation of seamen in the mer- the War Department for the year one thousand chants' service;" and, after some time spent there- seven hundred and ninety-three, there be approin, the Committee rose and reported progress. priated the following sums, to wit:" [The items
follow.) December 13.
"Resolved, That, for making good the several
and respective sums of money aforesaid, there be Andrew Gregg, from Pennsylvania, appeared appropriatedand took his seat in the House.
"1st. The sum of six hundred thousand dollars, A message from the Senate informed the House reserved by the act making provision for the Debt that the Senate have passed the bill, entitled “An of the United States. act concerning the registering and recording of “2d. The surplus which may remain unapproships or vessels,” with several amendments; to priated for the use of the War Department, in the which they desire the concurrence of this House. year one thousand seven hundred and ninety-two.
Ordered, That the Report of the Secretary of “3d. So much of the existing revenues of the the Treasury of a plan for the redemption of the United States as are unappropriated." Public Debt, and for the reimbursement of a cer Ordered, That a bill or bills be brought in purtain loan made of the Bank of the United States, suant to the said resolutions; and that Mr. Lauwhich lay on the table, be referred to the consider- RANCE, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. JEREMIAH SMITH, Mr. ation of a Committee of the Whole House on this STEELE, and Mr. Giles do prepare and bring in day fortnight.
the same. The House proceeded to consider the amend
PUBLIC DEBT. ments reported on Thursday last, by the Committee of the Whole House, to the bill for enrolling The report of the Secretary of the Treasury: and licensing ships or vessels, to be employed in containing a plan for the reduction of the Public the coasting trade and fisheries, and for regulating Debt, on motion of Mr. SEDGWICK, was referred to the same; and the said amendments being sever- a Committee of the Whole. ally twice read were, on the question put there A motion for its being made the order of the upon, agreed to by the House.
day, this day week, was opposed. Mr. MURRAY Ordered, That the said bill, with the amend- objected to so early a day. The subject, said he, ments, do lie on the table.
is important; the State of Maryland has a right Resolved, That the Secretary of War be di- to six votes in this House ; it so happens, that four rected to lay before this House a Return of all the seats of the representation from that State are vacommissioned officers, non-commissioned officers, cant. He wished, therefore, that a more distant and privates, belonging to the regular establish- day may be appointed, as, in that case, it was ment of the United States, specifying the regi- highly probable that State would be more fully ments or corps to which they belong, and the represented. Other reasons for a more distant times of their entering the service,
day were urged by several gentlemen. This day The House again resolved itself into a Com- fortnight was finally agreed to. mittee of the Whole House on the Report of the The House took into consideration the amendSecretary of the Treasury of the estimates of the ments by the Committee of the Whole to the sums necessary to be appropriated for the service coasting bill. They agreed to some of the amendof the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety- ments reported, with amendments; others were three; and, after some time spent therein, Mr. rejected. A clause was proposed to be added, reSPEAKER resumed the chair, and Mr. SEDGWICK quiring from the owners or masters of vessels a reported that the Committee had again had the particular enumeration of all the goods, wares, said report under consideration, and come to seve- and merchandise transported in the several coastral resolutions thereupon ; which were severally ing vessels from time to time. This occasioned twice read, and agreed to by the House, as follows: some debate ; it was objected to as involving a
Resolved, That, for defraying the expenditure great and unnecessary expense, without affording of the Civil List of the United States for the year a corresponding benefit; as tending to obstruct one thousand seven hundred and ninety-three, to the coasting trade, so as almost to destroy the gether with the incidental and contingent ex- same. It was said it would be nugatory, being penses of the several Departments and offices in many cases impracticable. The clause was thereof, there be appropriated the several sums of supported, as conducive to information relative to money following, to wit:" [Here follow the seve- the products and real consumptions of the several ral items.]
States-points on which very different opinions “ Resolved, That, for making, good deficiencies were entertained ; that the expense would not for the support of the Civil List Establishment, probably be more than the addítion of one clerk for aiding the fund appropriated for the payment to the Treasury Department; that the duty would of certain officers of the courts, jurors, and wit- devolve on the collectors, and be a business, of nesses; for the support of light-houses, and for the course, &c. The motion was at length withestablishment of ten cutters, and for other pur-drawn. Some verbal corrections were made in poses, there be appropriated the several sums of several sections; and then, by general consent, money following, to wit:” [Here again follow the bill was laid on the table for further consithe items.]
Estimates of Appropriations-Registering Vessels.
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ESTIMATES OF APPROPRIATION. read, and ordered to be referred to the consideraThe House then resolved itself into a Commit- tion of the Committee of the Whole House last tee of the Whole on the estimate of appropriations, appointed. Mr. Sedgwick in the Chair. The Chairman ob Mr. LIVERMORE, from the committee to whom served that the subject was before the Committee was referred the petition of a number of the inwithout any specific proposition.
habitants of St. Vincennes, on the Wabash; toMr. Kirchell moved that the Committee gether with a Letter from the Governor of the should rise, and report the resolutions submitted Territory of the United States Northwest of the some time since.
River Ohio, accompanying the same, made a reIt being remarked that these résolutions were port; which was read, and ordered to lie on the yet to be determined on, having never been re
table. ported to the House, they were again read; and The House proceeded to the consideration of then a motion for the Committee to rise and re- the amendments proposed by the Senate, to the port was made and agreed to. The Committee bill
, entitled "An act concerning the registering accordingly rose and reported the resolutions, and recording of ships or vessels." Whereupon, which were taken into consideration by the Resolved, That this House doth agree to the House. The items of the estimate were again amendments to the fifth section. recited. The sum in the estimate for the support Resolved, That this House doth disagree to the and expenses of the Loan Offices occasioned con- amendment to the seventeenth section of the said siderable conversation. The accounts of the se
bill. veral Loan Offices were again called for; that from Ordered, That the Clerk of this House do acthe officer at New York being read, it was re- quaint the Senate therewith. marked that the amount of this account exceeded A message from the Senate informed the House, that of Pennsylvania, and, indeed, of all the other that the Senate have passed a bill, entitled "An accounts. This disparity, it was said, was very act in addition to, and alteration of the act, entiextraordinary, and did not appear to be accompa- tled 'An act for settling the accounts of the United nied with any sufficient reasons for so great a dif- States with the individual States;" to which they ference; and though the accounts had been set- desire the concurrence of this House. tled by the proper officers of the Treasury, yet
The said bill was read the first time. that they were liable to be revised by the House.
The amendments of the Senate to the bill
proin the estimate for the Loan Offices, was carried viding for the registering and recording of ships in the affirmative.
or vessels were taken into consideration. The The House having proceeded through the items first, second, and third amendments were agreed included in the several resolutions, a motion was
The fourth amendment was to strike out the made and agreed to, that a committee be appointed 17th section of the bill, which was designed to to prepare and report a bill in conformity thereto; guard effectually against collusion in regard to and Messrs. LAURANCE, Baldwin, Smith, N. H., American vessels-it having been ascertained that STEELE, and Giles, were appointed.
impositions in this respect had been practised A motion that the estimate of contingencies re- with success. The amendment of the Senate ceived from the War Department, with the other was objected to; it was said it left the door still papers relative to the estimate of appropriations, open to the owners of foreign vessels to evade be referred to the select committee, was, after payment of foreign tonnage. Mr. Goodhue, Mr. some debate, superceded by a motion to adjourn. Williamson, Mr. SEDGWICK, Mr. PARKER, and
Mr. Madison, opposed the amendment.
Mr. FITZSIMONS appeared to be partially in faFriday, December 14.
vor of the amendment; he observed that there Mr. William Smith, from the committee to was no clause in the British navigation law, whom were referred the petitions of sundry per- equally rigid with that proposed in the bill, and sons, praying to be placed on the list of pension- which the Senate have objected to. He observed ers of the United States; also, a Letter from the that the policy of such restrictions as went to disJudges of the Circuit Court for the District of courage the building of vessels in the United North Carolina, relative to the act passed the last States may well be doubted; but though he was session of Congress, regulating the claims to In- not perfectly satisfied with the clause in the bill, valid Pensions, made a report; which was read, yet he should not vote to concur with the Senate. and ordered to be referred to the consideration of Mr. W. Smith said he agreed with the gentlea Committee of the Whole House on Monday, the man from Pennsylvania in his remarks, but should 31st instant.
draw a very different conclusion, and should thereThe SPEAKER laid before the House a Report fore be in favor of concurring with the Senate ; from the Secretary of War, accompanying lists but if the House should not be disposed to concur, of the names of persons returned to his office for he inquired whether the proposal to strike out the pensions, by the Circuit Courts of the United clause could not be adopied without agreeing to States, together with the rates of the said pen- the substitute ? sions, and the causes assigned for disability, pur Mr. BARNWELL was in favor of concurring with suant to the order of the 3d instant; which was the Senate.