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Proceedings.

[NOVEMBER, 1792.

weighs 1,000 oz. avoirdupois; and a body when A petition of sundry masters and owners of immersed in water, displaces a mass of water equal coasting vessels, and others, trading between the to the bulk of the immersed body, in displacing ports of New London and New York, was prewhich mass of water, the body, if suspended to a sented to the House and read, praying that the pair of scales, is found to lose a weight exactly. tonnage and fees of office imposed on vessels emequal to the weight of the mass of water so dis- ployed in the coasting trade, may be lessened. placed; so that, if any piece of money be weighed Ordered, That the said petition be referred to first in air, and then in water, its loss of weight in the committee appointed to prepare and bring in water will be exactly the weight of an equal bulk a bill or bills for regulating ships or vessels emof water, which must at once give the compara- ployed in the coasting trade and fisheries.. tive weight of that piece of money and of water, A petition of John Manley was presented to And as by this method pure gold has been found the House and read, praying to be allowed the to be about nineteen times heavier than water, prize money on certain British ships captured by and copper nine times, which has been generally the petitioner, while a Captain in the Navy of the the alloy used in gold coins, if copper be mixed in United States, during the late war. any proportion (or any other metal whose specific Ordered, That the said petition be referred to gravity is known) the specific gravity of the com- the Secretary of War, with instructions to exampound may be found, and the exact proportion of ine the same, and report his opinion thereupon to each ingredient ascertained ; and here I will re- the House. mark, that as, in the act establishing a Mint, and The House again resolved itself into a Comregulating the coins of the United States, the pro- mittee of the Whole House on the bill sent from portion of silver and copper, which are declared to the Senate, entitled “An act regulating Foreign be the composition of the alloy for our gold coins, Coins, and for other purposes ;' and, after some is not exactly fixed; there must be a difficulty of time spent therein, the Committee rose and refinding the real value of that coin without an ac- ported several amendments thereto; which were tual and accurate assay, and also room for varying severally read twice, and agreed to by the House. its value. But, as this is happily left to the discre Ordered, That the said bill, with the amend. tion of the Director of the Mint, whose abilities, ments, be read the third time to-morrow. accuracy, and integrity, are so remarkable, no in A memorial and representation of Warner Mifconvenience need be apprehended, as there is no fin, one of the people called Quakers, was predoubt that he will observe the trust reposed in him, sented to the House and read, stating certain reand that he will point out, from time to time, the flections for the consideration of Congress, in exact proportion of these two ingredients of the relation to the African slave trade, and to the hualloy, which are left by the bill to his discretion. mane treatment of slaves in the United States. This I looked upon as a defect in the bill, and men Ordered, That the said memorial and repretioned when it was before us the last session, as a sentation do lie on the table. reason why I wished to have it recommitted; but Resolved, That the Commissioners for the setto return to the question. As I have found that tlement of the accounts between the individual the specific gravity of the gold coins of England, States and the United States, report to the House France, Spain, and Portugal, was, as well as I can the time at which they suppose they will be ready now remember, about seventeen and an half, and to make their final report; and whether any, and that of some German coins not fifteen ; that is, that what, obstacles remain, to prevent such final rethe former weighed seventeen and a half times port. more than an equal mass of water, and the latter not fifteen times as much, or, in other words, that a cubic foot of the former weighed 17,500 oz.

Tuesday, November 27. whilst a cubic foot of the latter would not weigh

Mr. William Smith, from the committee ap15,000—I say, as I have found this to be the case, pointed, presented a bill to ascertain the fees deI wish to know now whether any later experi- mandable on Admiralty proceedings, in the District ments on those coins have been made to prove Courts of the United States, and to amend, in that there is a difference stated in the bill; if there part, the act, entitled “An act for the government have been such experiments I shall withdraw my and regulation of seamen in the merchants' sermotion, if not, I must insist upon it.

vice;" which was received, and read twice, and committed.

Mr. GOODHUE, from the committee appointed, Monday, November 26.

presented a bill for enrolling and licensing ships or Jeremiah Wadsworth, from Connecticut, ap- vessels, to be employed in the coasting trade and peared, and took his seat.

fisheries, and for regulating the same; which was A bill to reimburse certain extra expenses of the received, read twice, and committed. late Commissioners for treating of Peace with the The SPEAKER laid before the House a Letter Creek Indians was read the second time, and from the Governor of the Territory of the United ordered to be committed to a Committee of the States Northwest of the river Ohio, covering a Whole House to morrow.

petition of a number of inhabitants of St. VinAn engrossed bill concerning the registering and cennes, on the Wabash, praying that the resurvey recording of ships or vessels was read the third of their lands, directed by a late law, may be made time, and passed.

at the public expense ; which were read, and or

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Petition of Warner Mifflin.

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dered to be referred to Mr. LIVERMORE, Mr. Muh- under consideration, and made an amendment LENBERG, and Mr. LEONARD, with instruction to thereto; which was read. examine the same, and report their opinion there Ordered, That the said bill, with the amendupon to the House.

ment, do lie on the table. The House resolved itself into a Committee of

WARNER MIFFLIN'S PETITION. the Whole House on the report of the Secretary of the Treasury, respecting lost and destroyed

Mr. STEELE called the attention of the House certificates; and, after some time spent therein, to the memorial and representation of Warner the Committee rose, and reported progress. Mifflin on the subject of Negro slavery. Mr. S.

said, that after what had passed at New York on

this subject, he had hoped the House would have Wednesday, November 28.

heard no more of it; but, to his surprise, he found Mr. Parker, from the committee appointed, the subject was started anew, and had been inpresented a bill to make compensation to the wi-troduced by a fanatic, who, not content with keepdows and orphans of persons who were killed by ing his own conscience, undertook to become the Indians, under the sanction of flags of truce; which keeper of the consciences of other men, and in a was received, read twice, and committed. manner which he deemed not very decent, had

Ordered, That a committee be appointed to intrusted his opinions into this House. Had an prepare and bring in a bill or bills granting far-application been made to him to present such a ther compensation to certain Receivers of Conti- petition, he thought he should have avoided a nental Taxes; and that Mr. Giles, Mr. SHEARJA- compliance with it. Gentlemen in the Northern SHUB Bourne, and Mr. SYLVESTER, be the said States do not realize the mischievous consequences committee.

which have already resulted from measures of this The House proceeded to consider the report of kind, and if a stop were not put to such proceedthe committee to whom was referred the Message ings, the Southern States would be compelled to from the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED States, of apply to the General Government for their inthe 9th instant, together with the papers accom- terference. He concluded, by moving " that the panying the same, on the subject of the boundary paper purporting to be a petition from Warner between the State of Virginia and the Territory Mifflin, be returned to him by the Clerk of the of the United States south of the river Ohio: House; and that the entry of said petition be exwhereupon,

punged from the Journal." Resolved. That the PresideNT OF THE UNITED Mr. Ames rose to explain his motives in preStates be requested and authorized, with the senting the petition. He said it was his opinion, concurrence of the States of Virginia and Ken- which he had expressed to the House long ago, tucky, to cause the line to be extended from the that this Government could not, with propriety, western termination of the line formerly run by take any steps in the matter referred to in this Fry and Jefferson, on the part of Virginia, and by petition; but, on the general principle, that every other surveyors on the part of North Carolina, by citizen has a right to petition the Legislature, and a surveyor of sufficient abilities, in the proper lati- to apply to any member to present his request to tude, whereby the northern boundary of the terri- the House, he had handed it in. The petitioner is a tory ceded to the United States by the State of citizen of Delaware; and had the member from North Carolina may be determined ; and that that State been in the House, he should not have Congress will provide for the necessary expense thought himself obliged to have introduced it; but attending the same.

that gentleman being absent, the petitioner had a Ordered That a bill or bills be brought in pur right to apply to a member from any other State. suant to the said resolution; and that Mr. Bou- He had no idea of supporting the prayer of the DINOT, Mr. Williamson, and Mr. Page, prepare petition, his mind having been long made up and bring in the same.

on the subject. He considered it as totally inexThe bill sent from the Senate, entitled "An act pedient to interfere with the subject, and had uniregulating Foreign Coins, and for other purposes," formly opposed the applications made at a former together with the amendments thereto, was read session of Congress, the third time; and, on a motion made and se Mr. LIVERMORE did not consider the motion in conded,

order, the subject not being properly before the Ordered, To be recommitted to a Committee House; nor did he believe there was any dispoof the Whole House on the first Monday of Ja-sition to bring it forward. nuary next.

Mr. W. Smith said he had seconded the motion, Mr. Giles, from the committee appointed, pre- with a view of putting it out of the power of any sented a bill granting farther compensation to cer-member to call it up when persons might be abtain Receivers of Continental Taxes; which was sent who would find it their duty to oppose it. received, read twice, and committed.

Mr. S. said he admitted, in its full extent, the right The House resolved itself into a Committee of of every citizen to petition for a redress of grievthe Whole House on the bill to reimburse certain ances, and the duty of the House to consider such extra expenses of the late Commissioners for petitions; but the paper in question is a mere rant treating of Peace with the Creek Indians; and, and rhapsody of a meddling fanatic, interlarded after some time spent therein, the Chairman re- with texts of Scripture, and concluded with no ported that the Committee had had the said bill specific prayer. He observed it was the general

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practice of Legislative bodies for members pre On a motion made and seconded, senting petitions to read them, in order to make Resolved, That the PresidENT OF THE UNITED known their objects, and to have them entered on States be requested to cause assays and other the Journal. In this particular instance, the prac- proper experiments to be made, at the Mint of the tice might be attended with danger. Citizens of United States, of the gold and silver coins of the Southern States learning that papers of this France, England, Spain, and Portugal; and a rekind meet with countenance here, would be alarm- port of the quantity of fine metal, and of alloy, ed. The gentleman who presented this paper had in each of the denominations of the coins, to be not, on this occasion, shown his usual regard to laid before this House. Southern interests. Had he stated its dangerous Ordered, That the said resolution be transmitobject, the House would undoubtedly have refused ted to the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, by its reception. After the proceedings at New York, the SPEAKER. when a similar application was made, his constituents had a right to expect that the subject would

Friday, November 30. never be stirred again. He would assure the House, that while he continued a member of it

, the Whole House on the report of the Secretary

The House resolved itself into a Committee of he should never fail to express his abhorrence against all such applications, as they could have of the Treasury on the petition of the executors none but a mischievous tendency. So far from of Edward Carnes, deceased ; and, after some time being calculated to meliorate the condition of the spent therein, the Chairman reported that the

Committee had had the said report under consirace who were the object of them, they had a tendency to alienate their affections from their mas

deration, and come to a resolution thereupon ; ters, and by exciting in them a spirit of restless which was twice read, and agreed to by the House,

as follows: ness, to render greater severity towards them necessary. He therefore earnestly called on the

Resolved, That a committee be appointed to House to agree to the motion, and thereby con

and what, measures are ne

inquire whether any, vince this enthusiast, and others, that they can never cessary to facilitate the settlement of claims meet countenance in the Legislature of the Union. J against the United States, not barred by acts of The part of the motion directing the petition to settlements made, by any officer or officers, here

limitation, founded upon certificates granted, or be returned by the Clerk was agreed to. The remain-tofore authorized by the United States to issue der was withdrawn by Mr. STEELE, the mover.

certificates or make settlements in their behalf,

and who have not settled their accounts; and to Thursday, November 29.

report the result of their inquiries.” Mr. White, from the committee appointed, pre

Ordered, That Mr. GOODHUE, Mr. Fitzsisented a bill to regulate trade and intercourse with Mons, Mr. Davron, Mr. Parker, and Mr. Niles, the Indian tribes; which was received, read twice,

be a committee, pursuant to the said resolution. and committed.

Ordered, That a committee be appointed to The Speaker laid before the House a Letter prepare and report a bill to amend the act estafrom the Treasurer of the United States, accom-blishing a Mint and regulating the coins of the

United States, so far as respects the copper coinpanying his account of the receipts and expenditures of public moneys, from the first of July to Mr.Kittera, be the said committee.

age; and that Mr. WilliaMSON, Mr. PAGE, and the thirtieth of September, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-two, inclusive; which was mittee of the Whole House on the report of the

The House again resolved itself into a Comread, and ordered to lie on the table.

The House resolved itself into a Committee of Secretary of the Treasury of the estimates of the the Whole House on the report of the Secretary of the year one thousand seven hundred and

sums necessary to be appropriated for the service of the Treasury of the estimates of the sums necessary to be appropriated for the service of the ninety-three; and, after some time spent therein,

the Chairman reported that the Committee had year one thousand seven hundred and ninetythree ; and, after some time spent therein, the again had the said report under consideration, and Committee rose, and had leave to sit again.

made a farther

progress therein. The House proceeded to consider the report of be directed to lay before the House the accounts

Resolved, that the Secretary of the Treasury the committee to whom was referred the petition of the Commissioners of Loans, for the current of Lewis Garanger, in behalf of himself and his brother, Charles Garanger: whereupon,

year, by which his estimate is formed for approResolved, That the Comptroller of the Treasury lars and twenty-eight cents, for the salaries of

priating thirty-five thousand and sixty-three dolbe empowered and directed to adjust and settle the accounts of Lewis Garanger, as a Captain of clerks and for stationery, in the Loan Offices of Artillery, from the twenty-ninth of September,

the United States, to the thirty-first of March, one one thousand seven hundred and eighty, until the thousand seven hundred and ninety-three. establishment of peace. Ordered, That a bill or bills be brought in, pur

MONDAY,

December 3. suant to the said resolution ; and that Mr. Madi Ordered, That the petition of Woodrop and son, Mr. Williamson, and Mr. William Smith, Joseph Sims, which was presented to this House do prepare and bring in the same.

on the 8th ultimo, be referred to Mr. KEY, Mr.

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Widows and Orphans.

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Grove, and Mr. Tucker, with instruction to ex Mr. Dayton observed, that he considered it the amine the matter thereof, and report the same, indispensable duty of the Legislature to inquire with their opinion thereupon, to the House. into this subject, in order to avoid imposition. He

The Speaker laid before the House a Letter held a paper in his hand containing an account of from the Secretary of the Treasury, accompany- a number of persons admitted on the pension list ing his report of a plan for the redemption of the by the Circuit Courts, on account of complaints, Public Debt, and for the reimbursement of a cer- which if they were generally admitted, would intain loan made of the Bank of the United States, crease the pension list in such manner, as ten times pursuant to the orders of the 21st and 22d ultimo; the present revenue of the United States would wbich was read, and ordered to lie on the table. not be adequate to supporting.

A petition of sundry merchants and traders, in Mr. B. BOURNE observed, that the Government habitants of the State of South Carolina, was pre- hadvested a discretionary power with the Secretary sented to the House and read, stating the disad- of War to check the grant of pensions in improper vantages under which they labor, for the want of cases; that the Secretary was preparing a report a bankrupt law, and praying that Congress will on this subject; and that a full statement of the take the subject into consideration, and pass an whole matier would be laid before the House. act thereupon.

He therefore saw no necessity for the resolution. Ordered, That the said petition be referred to Mr. Sedgwick said, he hoped nothing was inthe committee appointed to prepare and bring in tended by the motion to counteract the benevolent a bill or bills to establish an uniform system on views of the Legislature, in the only act of Legisthe subject of bankruptcies throughout the United lative generosity ever exhibited by this GovernStates.

ment, the law of the last session making particular Mr. Boudinot, from the committee appointed, provision for invalids. Mr. S. said, he thought the presented, according to order, a bill for determin- necessary information on the subject would come ing the Northern boundary of the territory ceded before the House in course; but he was anxious to the United States by the State of North Caro- that no steps should be taken, on account of some lina; which was read the first time.

improper grants of pensions, to frustrate the designs Resolred, That the Secretary of War be directed of Government, or divert the justice and humanity to lay before this House a list of the names of the of the country from a class of citizens who have persons returned to his office for pensions, by the fought the battles of the Union and to whom the Circuit Courts, in pursuance of the act entitled, “An United States are so much indebted for their preact to provide for the settlement of the claims of sent freedom and happiness. widows and orphans, barred by limitations hereto Mr. CLARK, Mr. W. SMITH, Mr. LAURANCE, and fore established, and to regulate the claims to In- Mr. Hillhouse, supported the motion. It was valid Pensions, together with the rates of the said that the law was found inadequate to the pursaid pensions, and the causes assigned for disabili- pose for which it was made; that while in some ty, accompanied with a statement of such facts cases it was not carried into execution, in others and circumstances as may relate thereto.

very improper grants of pensions had been made. The House again resolved itself into a Com- Information was wanted; this information may be mittee of the Whole House on the report of the obtained ; the law is defective, and ought to be Secretary of the Treasury of the estimates of the revised. Justice, therefore, to real objects, to guard sums necessary to be appropriated for the service against impositions, and to make that provision of the year one thousand seven hundred and which the finances of the country are competent ninety-three; and, after some time spent therein, to, impose a necessity that the motion should be the Chairman rose and reported progress. adopted. In reply to the objection, that informa

The House resolved itself into a Committee of tion would come in of course from the War Office, the Whole House on the bill to ascertain the fees it was said, the motion went to several points, on demandable on Admiralty proceedings in the Dis- which it was not the duty of the Secretary to retrict Courts of the United States, and to amend, port

, unless he was required to do it. in part, the act entitled "An act for the government and regulation of seamen in the merchants' service ;” and, after some time spent therein, the

Tuesday, December 4. Committee rose, and reported progress.

A bill for determining the Northern boundary WIDOWS AND ORPHANS.

of the territory ceded to the United States by the Mr. Dayton's motion, laid on the table on Fri- State of North Carolina was read the second time,

and ordered to be committed to a Committee of day last, was called up by that gentleman, viz:

the Whole on Thursday next. “ That the Secretary of War be directed to lay before

The SPEAKER laid before the House a Letter this House a list of the names of the persons returned from the Secretary of the Treasury, accompanyto his office for pensions, by the Circuit Courts, in pursuance of the act, entitled An act to provide for the ing the Register's detail of the estimate of thirtysettlement of the claims of widows and orphans, barred five thousand and sixty-three dollars and twentyby the limitations heretofore established, and to regulate eight cents, for the clerk hire and stationery of the claims to invalid pensions,' together with the rates

he several' Loan Offices of the United States, to of said pensions, and the causes assigned for disability, the thirty-first of March next, made pursuant to accompanied with a statement of such facts and circum- the order of Friday last; which was read, and stances as may relate thereto."

ordered to be referred to the consideration of the

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Appropriations-Creek War-Moses Young.

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Committee of the Whole House, to whom are re The question being taken, that the House do ferred the estimates of appropriation for the cur- concur with the Committee in the said amendment rent year.

for filling up the blank in the said bill with the ESTIMATES OF APPROPRIATIONS. words "twelve thousand dollars :"-it passed in The House again resolved itself into a Commit- the negative-yeas 24, nays 25, as follows: tee of the Whole House on the report of the Se

YEAS.–Fisher Ames, Abraham Baldwin, Robert cretary of the Treasury of the estimates of the Barnwell, Egbert Benson, Elias Boudinot, Shearjashub sums necessary to be appropriated for the service Bourne, William Findley, Thomas Fitzsimons, Nicholas of the year one thousand seven hundred and Gilman, Benjamin Goodhue, Daniel Heister, Daniel Huninety-three. The papers on which the estimate ger, Amasa Learned, John Milledge, Frederick Augusof the expense of the Loan Offices was founded, Theodore Sedgwick, William Smith,

Jonathan Sturges,

tus Muhlenberg, William Vans Murray, John Page, were read. The accounts of the Loan Officers of Massachu- George Thatcher, Thomas Tudor Tucker, Jeremiah

Wadsworth, and Artemas Ward. setts, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Vir

Nays.—John Baptist Ashe, Benjamin Bourne, Abraginia, were particularly called for, and read in detail. ham Clarke, Jonathan Dayton, William B. Giles, James The expenses of these offices were very different, Gordon, Christopher Greenup, William Barry Grove, owing to the business being much greater, by rea- James Hillhouse, Israel Jacobs, Aaron Kitchell, Richard son of transfers, in some States than in others. Bland Lee, Samuel Livermore, Andrew Moore, NaThe amount of the expense was generally com- thaniel Niles, Alexander D. Orr, Cornelius C. Schoonplained of. It was observed that some other mode maker, Peter Sylvester, Israel Smith, John Steele, Thoof doing the business ought to be adopted, or, that mas Sumpter, Abraham Venable, Alexander White, those for whose advantage these numerous trans- Hugh Williamson, and Francis Willis. fers are made, should bear a due proportion of the And then, a motion being made, and the quesexpense occasioned thereby. Several alterations tion put, to fill up the said blank with the words or corrections were made in the estimate respect-“nine hundred dollars,” it was resolved in the afing this article.

firmative. The sum of fifty thousand dollars for the con Ordered, That the said bill, with the amendtingencies and incidental expenses of the War De- ment, be engrossed, and read the third time topartment, having been struck out, Mr. STEELE morrow. moved that the blank be filled with five thousand dollars. This motion was withdrawn, and was succeeded

WEDNESDAY, December 5. by another, to the following purport:

i That the An engrossed bill to reimburse certain extra PresidENT OF THE UNITED States be requested expenses of the late Commissioners for treating of to cause to be laid before the House a statement Peace with the Creek Indians was read the third of the items constituting the sum in the estimate time; and, on the question that the said bill do proposed to be appropriated for contingent, inci- pass, it passed in the negative-yeas 20, nays 21, dental, and conjectural charges in the War De-as follows: partment.” This motion was objected to as in

YEAS.-Fisher Ames, Abraham Baldwin, Robert formal in itself , and contrary to the practice of the Barnwell

, Egbert Benson, Elias Boudinot, Shearjashub House; it was urged that the proper mode would Bourne, Thomas Fitzsimons, John Laurance, Samuel be to call on the officer at the head of the War Livermore, John Milledge, Frederick Augustus MuhlenDepartment, to lay before the House the neces- berg, John Page, Theodore Sedgwick, William Smith, sary documents. It was accordingly moved that Jonathan Sturges, George Thatcher, Thomas Tudor the words “the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES" Tucker, Jeremiah Wadsworth, Artemas Ward, and be struck out of the motion, and that the Secre- Francis Willis. tary of War should be directed to lay before the Nays.- John Baptist Ashe, Benjamin Bourne, AbraHouse, &c. The motion for striking out was lost; ham Clark, Jonathan Dayton, James Gordon, Israel and then the question on the motion as originally Jacobs, Philip Key, Aaron Kitchell

, George Leonard, made, was put and carried.

John Francis Mercer, Andrew Moore, Nathaniel Niles, Mr. Fitzsimons, from the committee to whom Alexander D. Orr, Josiah Parker, Peter Sylvester, Israel was referred so much of the Message from the Smith, John Steele, Thomas Tredwell, Abraham VenaPRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES of the 7th ul-ble, Alexander White, and Hugh Williamson. timo as relates to a statement of the administra And so the bill was rejected. tion of the fund appropriated to certain Foreign

PETITION OF MOSES YOUNG. purposes, together with the papers accompanying the same, made a report; which was read, and or

The House proceeded to consider the report of dered to lie on the table.

the committee on the memorial of Moses Young.

Whereupon, EXPENSES OF THE CREEK TREATY.

The resolution reported by the said committee, The House proceeded to consider the amend- in the words following, was read, to wit: ment reported by the Committee of the Whole

“ That the said Moses Young hath a just claim on House the 28th último, to the bill to reimburse the United States for the full amount of his salary, at certain extra expenses of the late Commissioners the rate of five hundred pounds sterling per annum, for treating of peace with the Creek Indians : from the eighteenth of October, one thousand seven whereupon,

hundred and seventy-nine, to the thirtieth of August,

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