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vestment year by year. He had, however, be £45,000. His hon. Friend said that one serious objection to the measure. The these annuities were held only by the Goright hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of vernment offices ; but these were not the the Exchequer had always displayed an only stocks to fall back upon. There was a extreme willingness to reduce those taxes sum of £24,000,000 due from the Governwhich were most open to complaint; but ment to the savings banks, which they could by passing this measure his right hon. convert into stock whenever it was deemed Friend, and the House itself, would be pre- expedient to do so ; therefore, they were not cluded from dealing fairly with those sub- in the least under the necessity of considerjects in the Budget. His right hon. Friend ing whether the present stocks would be a might be called upon to reduce the fire good security for the savings banks. So insurance duty or other taxes which much for the old savings banks ; with reweighed prejudicially on the energies of spect to the new Post Office savings banks, the people ; but if this Bill were passed, they were receiving large deposits at 2} £180,000 a year would be added to the per cent. The current never changed its taxation of the country, and to that extent direction for one moment, it was always they would be precluded from an indulgent setting inwards. Therefore, they were now consideration of the imposts of the coun- under no necessity of considering any event try. It appeared to him to be a strange so improbable as a total change of circumtime to select when 7 or 8 per cent was stances with respect to these institutions. currently given for money, for discharging Care would be taken to keep a considerable debts upon which they were only paying amount of convertible stock always in hand. 3} per cent.
If he were wrong in the opinion he held as THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- to the expediency and wisdom of converting QUER certainly could not at all complain perpetual and terminable annuities, let the that his hon. Friend, with the opinions he House interfere ; but, if he were right, let entertained, should object to the principle them give effect to the measure proposed. of the Bill; but, in considering the operation MR. ALDERMAN SALOMONS concurred of the Bill, his hon. Friend entirely omitted with the right hon. Gentleman the Chanto observe the effect of the former Bill. cellor of the Exchequer in the advisability The practical effect was that one measure of couverting perpetual into terminable balanced the other. The object of the first annuities ; but hoped that the settlement Bill was to produce a true statement of the of 1863 would not be disturbed, and that National Debt, by practically abolishing the right hon. Gentleman would insert two funds precisely in the nature of the old some words in the Bill stating that there Sinking Fund, which Parliament had long was no intention of interfering with the ago condemned. Its financial effect was settlement without the sanction of Parliato relieve the country from a very consider- ment. able annual charge, which was, of course,
THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEa set off, so far as it went, against the QUER said, it was not proposed to interannual charge created by the present Bill. fere with the settlement to which the hon. The Bill gave power to cancel £5,000,000 Gentleman alluded. of perpetual annuities, and convert them MR. HENLEY said, he quite believed into terminable annuities expiring in 1885; in the soundness of the principle advocated thereby creating, as his hon. Friend had by the right hon. Gentleman, but sugsaid, a considerable additional annual gested the desirability of striking out in charge in the interest of the National Debt Committee the 4th clause, which gave until that year arrived. He held that it unlimited power to the Treasury to carry was a wise and provident proceeding in the out the same system in future. He thought actual circumstances of this country to use that Parliament ought from time to time every fair and safe opportunity for the to be informed of the manner in which conversion of perpetual into terminable an- Government was acting. nuities, with a view to the reduction of the MR. AYRTON wislied to call the atten. annual charge of the debt after a certain tion of the right hon. Gentleman the Chanterm of years. His hon. Friend seemed to cellor of the Exchequer to the fact that at think that the additional annual charge for the end of the twenty years the nation would the National Debt in the present instance still be indebted to the savings banks to was one of some magnitude, but it was not its present amount, but he feared there 80 ; the whole amount of the increased would be no capital to represent the debt. charge occasioned by the two Bills would He should like to know when the termin
able annuities came to an end, and there, the form of Government for the colony was a deficit of millions on the part of the should be. We think that the wiser course savings banks, what security was to be would be to ask the House to ratify the provided for them.
measure which the Legislature of Jamaica THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- itself has arrived at—that we should underQUER said, the calculation had been made take the responsibility and duty of providand the value had been fixed.
ing in the manner asked from us by the MR. AYRTON feared the amount was Legislature of Jamnica for the Government to be made a charge on the Consolidated of the colony for a period. And the intenFund. He wished, however, to point out tion is that the House should agree, in the the fact that the reduction of the National first instance, to the proposal of the Crown Debt could not be effected by means of to substitute a Government similar to that annuities terminable at the end of twenty now existing in Trinidad for that which has years, for people would not be induced to bitherto existed in Jamaica. We propose, buy them unless they ran for forty or fifty then, to do that, with the permission and years.
by the sanction of the House, by Order in Motion agreed to.
Council. We propose the Bill should be Bill read a second time, and committed limited period should be for three years.
in force for a limited period, and that that for Monday.
That will enable the House to judge of the
information which they will receive as the JAMAICA GOVERNMENT BILL.
result of the Commission of Inquiry. It FIRST READING.
will enable them to judge whether the meaMR. CARDWELL: Sir, in accordance sures taken by Order in Council, as is with what I understand to be the opinion proposed, for the purpose of re-constituting of the House, I will now proceed simply to the Government of Jamaica, are wise and lay the Bill for the Government of Jamaica salutary measures, and likely to be proupon the table of the House. I will make ductive of benefit to the colony. The no statement with reference to the general House will then be called upon either to subject, but merely state what are the con- make the Bill perpetual, or to furnish some tents of the Bill. The Bill will then be in other form of Government, as in the judgthe hands of Members, who will have the ment of the House may be deemed expeopportunity of perusing and considering it dient and necessary. The provisions of before they come to debate upon it. Now, the Bill then are simply to ratify for a Sir, it is in the knowledge of all those who limited period the measures at which the have looked into the papers with reference Jamaica Legislature bas itself arrived. If to the late events in Jamaica, that the Ja. I bad time to make a statement of the maica Legislature in the first place passed grounds on which the Bill is proposed it an Act for the revision and re-construction would be evident to the House that I do of their own constitution ; but upon receiv. not propose to make any change upon teming from me an intimation that I should be porary grounds, but on grounds permanent ready to submit the question to the judg- in their character. I do not believe that it ment of the House, if it were desired that I will be desirable at any period so proxishould do so, the Governor of Jamaica com- mate as to be within the scope of our premunicated that to the Jamaica Legislature, sent horizon, either to return to the old and that Assembly readily assented to the constitution of Jamaica, or to adopt a plan substance of a new form of constitution of a mixed representation and nominated being left entirely in the liands of the Council like that which was enacted in Crown; and it is stated by the Governor in the first Bill. As I said we propose his despatch that the understanding of the the measure on permanent grounds, but Legislature was, that if passed by the we do not think it is fair or desirable Crown, it should be carried out in its full to call upon the House finally to part and plain meaning. Now, the course we with its control over the subject, with took then was this :—It is our opinion that the information before us and the present it would not be right to call upon the investigation going on. The right hon. House, in the present state of its know- Gentleman then moved for leave to bring in ledge with respect to the colony of Jamaica, a Bill to make provision for the Government and while the inquiry that has been ordered of Jamaica. into the recent events that have occurred MR. BAILLIE COCHRANE put it to there is pending, finally to determine what the Government whether it would not be
better to wait till some information was re
COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL. ceived from the colony before introducing
On Motion of Mr. ATTORNEY GENERAL for IREa Bill which would entirely change the LAND, Bill to amend the constitution, practice, and whole constitation of Jamaica, with the procedure of the Court of Chancery in Ireland, possibility of having after a very limited ordered to be brought in by Mr. ATTORNBY GEperiod, perhaps six months, to re-construct neral for Ireland and Mr. SOLICITOR GENERAL that constitution over again ?
Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 19.] MR. WALPOLE said, it was quite clear that the Government of Jamaica had abdi
COMMON LAW COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. cated its functions and placed the govern
On Motion of Mr. ATTORNEY GENERAL for IREment in the hands of the Crown, and it LAND, Bill to amend the pleading, practice, and prowas consequently necessary to provide some cedure of the Courts of Common Law in Ireland, other mode of government. Did the right ordered to be brought in by Mr. ATTORNEY GENEhon. Gentlemen intend to specify in the RAL for IRELAND and Mr. SOLICITOR General for
IRELAND. Bill the kind of government that, by Order
Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 18.] in Council, would be established in the colony. [Mr. CARDWELL : No!] Then
House adjourned at a quarter he (Mr. Walpole) thought that the right
after One o'clock. hon. Gentleman would make some little mistake there. Parliament should consider the kind of Government they intended, by Order in Council, to establish in HOUSE OF LORDS, the colonies.
SIR JOHN PAKINGTON declined at Friday, February 16, 1866. that late hour to enter into a discussion of the Bill, but would raise no objection MINUTES.)– Took the Oath—The Lord Denman. to its introduction, After a few words from Mr. REMINGTON CATTLE PLAGUE-REPORT OF
DR. SIMONDS. MR. STEPHEN CAVE expressed his EARL GRANVILLE read the following entire concurrence in the Motion just made letter which he had received from the inby the Secretary of State. Although a spector specially sent down on the part of change in the constitution of Jamaica had the Government to make inquiries with been forced upon them by recent events, reference to the mode of treatment puryet some such measure as that now pro- sued at Baron Rothschild's farm :-posed by Her Majesty's Government had
“Veterinary Department of the Privy Council for many years past been deemed neces
Office (Inspector's Office), Princes Street, sary by all who were conversant with the
London, S.W., Feb. 15, 1866. condition of the colony. As far back as • Sir, I have the honour to inform you that, 1839 the late Mr. Charles Buller expressed acting on your instructions, I yesterday went down that opinion in the then House of Con- to Mentmore, the seat of Baron Rothschild, for the mons. As it was intended to assimilate affected with cattle plague, as adopted by Mr.
purpose of investigating the treatment of animals the constitution of Jamaica to that of Worms. I found on the premises 118 head of cow. Trinidad, he could only hope that the stock divided into several lots, but occupying result of the change would be to render yards sufficiently contiguous to each other as to Jamaica as
afford great facilities for the spread of any infecprosperous as that sister
tious disease. Until Friday last, February 9, the colony.
whole of the animals had continued in perfect Motion agreed to.
health ; but on this day a heifer, one of a lot of
The Bill to make provision for the Government of twenty-four, gave indications of illness. Jamaica, ordered to be brought in by Mr. SECRE- veterinary surgeon, Mr. Lepper, of Aylesbury, who TARY CARDWELL and Mr. William Edward For- earlier symptoms of cattle plague, and as such
was called to the case, recognized some of the Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 17.] the care of Mr. Worms. Notwithstanding all the
the animal was placed as soon as possible under attention which it received it died on the fourth
day of the attack. On Saturday, the 10th instant, Select Committee appointed, “to inquire into two other heifers were also said to be attacked the operation of the Acts for the regulation and with the plague, and consequently were placed inspection of Mines, and into the complaints con- aside by themselves. On Monday one, Tuesday tained in Petitions from Miners of Great Britain four, and Wednesday (the day of my visit), three with reference thereto, which were presented to more of the berd were removed as being likewise thellouse during the last Session.” – (Mr. the subjects of the plague. The ten animals were Ayrlon.)
also placed under the care of Mr. Worms, who has Mr. Baillie Cochrane
since superintended all the details of their treat-| lutely necessary, considering the present ment and general management. The early cases state of the country, to ask for the were reported to me as having been cured, and sion of the Habeas Corpus Act. Her Majes
suspenthe others as going on most satisfactorily. It required but little knowledge of the diseases of cattle ty's Government have therefore resolved to to at see that none of the ten animals make the proposal to suspend the Act, and had been, or were, the subjects of any serious the Secretary of State for the Home ful examination, I failed to detect the slightest Department will do so tomorrow in the symptom of cattle plague in any one of them. other House of Parliament.
When a Whether plague will
, under the peculiar circum- similar Motion was last made, the Bill was stances of the case, be developed in the herd re- introduced at twelve o'clock on a Saturday, mains to be seen, but should the opinion of Mr. and passed through all its stages in the Lepper be correct as to the cause of the death of the first animal, only a few days can pass without
course of that day. Your Lordships will determining the point. I have the honour to be, doubtless agree that, if the necessity for Sir, your obedient servant,
such a course exists, no time should be “JAMES B. SIMONDS. lost; and I must, therefore, ask your " The Clerk of the Council.”
Lordships to put yourselves to the inconTHE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH asked venience of meeting to-morrow at four the noble Earl whether, in connection with o'clock, when the matter shall be laid this subject, he would consent to lay on before you. the table a copy of a letter which had been THE EARL OF DERBY: The proposal published in the newspapers, he appre-made by the noble Earl indicates a very hended by the authority of the Govern- serious state of affairs. Of course, it will ment, about three weeks after the plague be for Her Majesty's Government to jusfirst broke out. It was from the Consul tify to this and the other House of Parliaat Warsaw, stating that a disease had ment the course proposed ; and if the other broken out in Poland in 1857, such as was House should be so satisfied of the gravity represented now to exist in this country, of the occasion--and no doubt they will but in no case did it extend itself to any have sufficient evidence laid before thempart of the country where the water was
as shall induce them to consent to take so impregnated with iron, and that cures had strong a step as suspending all the Standbeen effected in other parts of the country ing Orders for the purpose of passing the by giving animals water in iron vessels. suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act, I He was astonished to find that a letter so am quite sure your Lordships will be unaremarkable had failed to attract public at- nimously of opinion that in such a state tention, and that so simple a method of of affairs it would be neither expedient, treatment had not been resorted to, at all desirable, nor consistent with your duty to events, experimentally.
interpose a moment's delay. Therefore, EARL GRANVILLE said, that the noble my Lords, as far as I am concerned, if the Earl's suggestion should not be forgotten, House of Commons should think' fit to but did not anticipate any very favourable suspend all their Standing Orders for the results from the course of treatment indi-purpose of passing a Bill, which I presume cated in the letter.
it is the intention of the Government to The EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH said, lay before them during the morning sitting he had met the other day a gentleman who of to-morrow, I should offer no opposition had lost a good many cattle by the plague, to it when it is laid before your Lordships and on mentioning the Consúl's letter to in company with a statement from Her him he said it was a remarkable fact that Majesty's Government, and backed up by an animal which had been in the habit of the authority of the House of Commons. drinking from an iron vessel was the only And when I say I should be prepared to animal he had saved.
assent to the passing of the Bill under the
circumstances, I trust we shall have at the HABEAS CORPUS SUSPENSION earliest possible opportunity such a state(IRELAND).-NOTICE.
ment from Her Majesty's Government as EARL RUSSELL: My Lords, I have to will justify us in having passed so strong ask your Lordships to sit to-morrow in a measure as that proposed. consequence of the condition of affairs in Ireland. The Lord-Lieutenant, on the
LIFEBOATS ON THE COAST, advice of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland,
OBSERVATIONS. the Chief Secretary, and other persons,
THE EARL OF MALMESBURY, in draw has expressed the opinion that it is abso- ing the attention of Her Majesty's Go
MOTION FOR A RETURN.
vernment to the Deficiency of Lifeboats coast was unprovided with a lifeboat where and other Means of saving human Life one was needed, or there were a sufficient on the Coasts of Great Britain and Ire- number of resident fishermen and boatmen land, desired to state that any obser- to justify one being provided. Mr. Lewis, vations he might make had no reference the Secretary of the Institution, had called to any particular Member of Her Majesty's upon him and left him a map of Great Bri. Government, but to the Government as a tain, which showed where lifeboats were whole; and he would express the opinion stationed, and also indicated where wrecks that it felt less deeply than it should the had taken place. From this chart he found necessity of providing means for the pre- that on a most dangerous part of the coast servation of human life upon the coast. of Scotland no lifeboat was stationed, and The present stormy season had produced on the west coast of Ireland only one lifeample evidence that the means provided boat was stationed from the north to the were insufficient; and he would parti-south. This conclusively showed, in his cularly direct the attention of the noble opinion, that the Society had not sufficient Duke at the head of the Admiralty (the machinery at its command completely to Duke of Somerset), as well as the President do the work it proposed to itself. On Sunof the Board of Trade, to that statement. day last the storm which swept the Eng. It was remarkable that this great maritime lish Channel was one of the heaviest ever country, having the largest Royal and mer- kuown, the wind blew at a strength of cantile fleet in the world, should, until a 40lb. upon the square inch, while the few years ago, have been so deficient in this maximum pressure in Great Britain seldom respect. In 1850 only twelve lifeboats exceeded 30lbs. or 35lbs. The coast bewere employed upon the coast of Great tween Poole and the Solent was much Britain. Since then, they had largely exposed, and only one lifeboat was staincreased in number; but in all cases they tioned there. Near where he resided, at had been built, kept in repair, and navi- Christchurch, there were open roadsteads, gated at the expense of private persons. exposed to southerly and westerly winds. The subscriptions collected from charitable On Sunday, when the storm was at its persons by the Royal National Society for height, a brig was in danger, some 200 or this purpose amounted to about £30,000 300 yards from shore. It was thought no a year. Of the noble institutions that had common boat could live in the sea that been established in this country, none was raged there; but a gallant act was permore noble, or more creditable to the formed by some men in a fishing-boat, honour of England than this. The Insti. who put off and saved four of the crew of tution, notwithstanding it was supported seven. The rest died from exhaustion ; by voluntary contributions, and received but every fisherman on the coast was ready no aid from the State, had done wonders. to declare, that if succour had reached During the past twenty years, or some those men earlier, they would all have been similar period, it had been instrumental saved. Why, then, was there no lifeboat in saring 15,000 lives. The leading at Christchurch? He found on referring members of the Institution had told him to the chart that Christchurch had been that they would still rather continue to be transplanted to the mouth of the Southleft to themselves--that they wanted no ampton Water, and if the position assigned subsidy, or other assistance from Govern- to it had only been correct, of course no ment, and they believed that a subsidy lifeboat would have been required. He would diminish their contributions. He also learnt that the officer of the Coast(the Earl of Malmesbury) was rather as- guard had been asked if there was tonished at that statement, because he had sufficient number of boatmen in the neighalways found that when subscriptions were bourhood to manage a lifeboat, and that asked for, people were ready to give if his answer was that there were sufficient certain others would contribute also. But boatmen, but none who could be depended the great question was, whether, with all upon in case of emergency, unless they its zeal and activity, the Institution was were remunerated for their services. He capable of fulfilling the duties which it also stated that he did not know how an took upon itself. The members believed honorary committee could be formed among that it was, and they had such confidence the neighbouring gentry for the purpose of in it that, quoting the returns of the managing the lifeboat station. He cerCoastguard officers, Lloyd's agents, and tainly could assert that, as far as he himself others, they declared that no part of the was concerned, he had never been asked to
The Earl of Malmesbury