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was raised a short time ago with reference | Great Britain to another for a limited time, with to the pay and envoluments of the police in the exception perhaps of fat cattle, sent, under Ireland, an official inquiry had been insti- nection therewith, to enact further, that all ani.
stringent regulations, to slaughter-and, in contuted, with directions to report what mals labouring under the disease shall be im. means,
if any, could be devised for the mediately slaughtered and buried in the skin—the greater efficiency of the police.
owners thereof being compensated to the extent THE EARL OP LEITRIM asked if the of one-half the value thereof out of the national noble Earl would have any objection to Parliament may devise; that all cattle which
purse, or from such other source as the wisdom of lay the papers relating to the inquiry be- have come in contact with diseased animals, or fore their Lordships ?
which have been in the same enclosure with them, EARL RUSSELL said, he could not un- / though yet showing no symptoms of the disease, dertake to produce the documents relating mises, the offals to be disinfected and buried, the
shall also be immediately slaughtered on the preto the inquiry, inasmuch as they were of a hides to be disinfected and sold, and the carcases confidential character ; but the results of also, when duly certified by the inspector as fit the inquiry would be laid before Parlia- for human food, to be sold for the benefit of the ment.
owners—one-half of the loss thereon to the owner, to be compensated, in like manner, out of the
public purse, or otherwise as aforesaid ; that full THE CATTLE PLAGUE.-QUESTION. advantage be taken of this compulsory stoppage
of transit of cattle in order that Parliament may THE EARL GRANARD asked,
carry out such sanitary measures as shall exWhether it is the intention of the Go-tinguish effectually all germs of the disease in vernment to introduce the Bill carrying every district in which it has appeared, so as, if out the recommendations of the Dublin possible, to prevent their development on the reCommission, respecting measures for the whole premises occupied by diseased animals, or
moval of the interdict; and in particular, that the prevention or localization of the cattle by animals which have come in contact, or been plague, or at least so much of them as in the same enclosure, shed, or byre with diseased had not already been embodied in the animals, shall be thoroughly cleansed and disin. Orders of Council ? The recommendations fected, and the manure, litter, and fodder, taken
therefrom, also disinfected or burnt at the octo which he referred were as follows:
cupiers' expense-that, during the prevalence of “ That the owners of cattle should, in an in- the disease, all dogs, not under proper control, fected district, be compensated out of an union shall be liable to be destroyed if found off the poor rate of the union in which the infected dis- owner's premises ; that all local authorities shall trict was situate, compensation in no case to ex- see the provisions of the Act observed, and the ceed two-thirds of the value of the animal, or to penalties for the infringement thereof strictly enamount to more than £12; that when that rate forced, and that every person offending against exceeded 6d. in the pound on the valuation of the such enactments shall, for every offence, forfeit a union in such cases the Government should sanc- sum not exceeding £20, which the Judge, before tion a rate-in-aid to be charged equally on all the whom such person shall be convicted of such Unions in Ireland. That the constabulary should offence, may determine.” make a census of the cattle in each union, and VISCOUNT SIDMOUTH said, that there that claims for compensation should be determined had been a correspondence at the Foreign by the justices at petty sessions, upon whose certi
; Office with respect to the system employed ficate the clerk of the union would be empowered to pay the amount of compensation allowed at such by two Belgian practitioners for the cure of sessions."
the cattle plague, and inquired if the GoThese recommendations, he believed, had vernment would lay that correspondence met with general approval in Ireland, and on the table. not only required no interference on the EARL GRANVILLE said, he had not part of the central authorities but could had time to read all the correspondence, be put in force by means of machinery but he believed there was no objection to which was already in existence.
lay it on the table. With regard to those EARL GRANVILLE said, that the re. practitioners, they refused to appear before commendations of the Dublin Commission the Royal Commissioners, and the homeowere already in the hands of the Irish Law pathic treatment having been tried in this Officers, with a view to see how far these country, and having been found to be no recommendations could be made the sub- more satisfactory than what had been done ject of a Bill.
by other practitioners, that refusal did not THE EARL OF MANSFIELD presented appear to be of much importance. petitions from the Chamber of Agriculture Viscount SIDMOUTH said, he had been and Scottish Farmers' Club and others informed by good authority in Brussels that praying that their Lordships
the report disparaging the treatment of the “Would be pleased, by Act of Parliament,
two practitioners to whom he had alluded stop the removal of all cattle from one place in was drawn up by certain veterinary officers
employed by the Belgian Government who Abyssinia was thrown by the Emperor of were strongly opposed to homeopathy. Abyssinia into prison, loaded with chains, He regretted, therefore, that Her Majesty's and subjected to the most cruel treatment. Government had published that report in This long interval of his imprisonment this country. To say that the treatment has been filled up by a sad event, the pursued in Norfolk was the homeopathic death of his mother, which was greatly treatment was not correct. The treatment hastened by her grief and anxiety as of the plague by the practitioners in Bel- to the fate of her son. My Lords, there gium bad some of the features of homæo- was a time when the mere statement of pathy, but was quite different from the such an indignity being offered to one in homeopathic treatment which had been our Consular service would have roused the adopted in this country. He thought the indignation of the people throughout the Government was wrong in throwing cold country; but it appears we are learning water on experiments made with a view to gradually to bear these outrages on our cure this destructive disease.
fellow-countrymen, in foreign countries, EARL SPENCER said, he had been with patience and submission. The first mixed up in the matter, and therefore rose occasion on which this subject was called to corroborate the statement of the noble to my notice was in the beginning of last Earl the President of the Council, that year, when some friends of the Consul these gentlemen had refused to be ex- applied to me to bring the matter before amined before the Royal Commission, this House, stating their opinion to be that although the Commissioners were ready the original imprisonment of their relation to examine their mode of treatment. He was entirely attributable to the fault of had subsequently received a letter from the Foreign Office, and that the prolongaour Minister at Brussels suggesting that tion of his sufferings was to be ascribed to these gentlemen should be again brought the injudicious course afterwards adopted over to this country ; and his reply was by that ottice. My Lords, I was reluctant that if they would come over to this for some time to bring forward such a country, and would consent to be examined charge, as I felt it impossible for me to do by the Royal Commission, not only would so without first obtaining all the infortheir expenses be paid, but they would be mation that could be desired from the handsomely rewarded for every animal they papers in the hands of Government. I cured. This offer was declined. He be- therefore applied to the noble Earl at the lieved that the Dutch Government had ex- head of the Government, who was then pressed an opinion that the treatment the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, adopted in that country was not successful. to know whether he would grant me these
papers, and I must say that the noble ABYSSINIA-IMPRISONMENT
Earl then endeavoured, in every possible OF BRITISH SUBJECTS.
way, to deter me from bringing the matter
forward. He warned me that if I attempted QUESTION.
to agitate the question I should be answerLORD CHELMSFORD, in rising to ask able for the increased sufferings to which the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs the unfortunate captives might be subfor the latest Information he has received jected. My Lords, with this heavy responas to the Condition of Consul Cameron and sibility thrown upon me, I felt it to be my other Persons in Abyssinia ; what progress duty carefully to select such papers as Mr. Rassam has made in his Mission; and would furnish me with all the necessary whether any and what Efforts have been information, but which, at the same time, made in addition to Mr. Rassam’s Mission could not contain anything that could preto procure the Liberation of the Prisoners, judicially affect Mr. Cameron. My Lords, said: My Lords, I need not apologize for the noble Earl, to my great surprise, still taking so early an opportunity of calling refused to grant me those papers without the attention of the noble Earl the Secre- the consent of the House, and I was theretary for Foreign Affairs to a subject which fore compelled to trouble your Lordships should be interesting to every one who has with a Motion on the subject. Upon the disthe honour and dignity of his country at cussion which took place upon that Motion, heart, and who can feel sympathy for the the noble Earl repeated his assertions that sufferings of his fellow-creatures. It is my interference in the matter, and my appli. now more than two years since a British cation for these documents, were calculated Consul accredited to the Government of to increase the sufferings which had been
inflicted upon these unhappy prisoners. My / want of judgment-I know not how to Lords, I entreated the noble Earl to tell me characterize it—of the Foreign Office; and which of all the papers I had specified would that having been the original cause of be productive of that effect, and I received those sufferings, the course taken is one from him a most singular answer-namely, which has proved, as might have been exthat he did not say that the production of pected, an utter failure. When speaking any one of the papers would be likely to of the Foreign Office your Lordships will aggravate the sufferings of the prisoners, understand that the noble Earl now Secrebut that the production of all of them, tary of State for Foreign Affairs (the Earl taken together, and the comments likely to of Clarendon) is not answerable for any of be made upon them in the newspapers would these transactions. When they occurred have that effect. The noble Earl resisted the noble Earl was, I believe, not even a to the last my application for these docu- Member of the Government ; he has only ments ; I was compelled to divide the held the seals of the Foreign Office for a House on the question for their produc- very short time. As I have always said, tion, and by a bare majority I succeeded the whole of the misery which these priin obtaining them. I examined the papers soners have so long suffered, and which carefully, and I am of opinion that they they are now suffering, is attributable to fully justify the friends of the Consul in the the fact of the Foreign Office having neg. opinion that his original imprisonment was lected to answer a letter which was sent attributable mainly to the fault of the by the Emperor of Abyssinia to this Foreign Office, and that they had taken a country, requesting that there might be most injudicious course to obtain his re- mutual embassies between the two countries lease. I therefore felt it my duty to bring upon the footing of the Treaty of 1849, the question before the House. On that which was ratified and laid before Parliaoccasion the noble Earl said that
ment. Consul Cameron in 1863 was upon " I had then, as on a former occasion, shown the very best terms with the Emperor, and myself entirely regardless of the safety of Consul the Emperor thought it was a fit occasion Cameron and the other persons imprisoned by the to renew a project which he had long in Emperor of Abyssinia if I could only throw blame view of cementing the friendly alliance beon the Government."
tween the two countries, and accordingly My Lords, this is a very serious charge, he sent the letter to the Queen to which I and I trust the House will believe me have already alluded, and which arrived in when I utterly deny that there is the this country in February, 1863. That slightest foundation for it. I felt for the letter was unnoticed until the month of unhappy captives most deeply. Indeed, it June, 1864-sixteen months afterwards. was impossible that anybody could receive Upon the occasion of one of the discussions the statement of what these prisoners had that took place on this unfortunate subject, to endure with the indifference imputed to the noble Earl (Earl Russell) said —may I me by the noble Earl ; and, considering say in a fit of unwonted candour ?-he that the relations of the Consul felt they must admit there was some delay in anhad a right to complain of the conduct of swering this letter ; but when I originally the Government, a complaint which I charged this delay upon the noble Earl, thought was justified by the papers before he rather smiled at my simplicity in me, I saw no reason why I should shrink supposing that a letter of that sort could from the duty I had undertaken of calling be so easily answered. I will not, though your Lordships' attention to them. I think encouraged by the noble Earl, do so upon that occasion the noble Earl might much injustice to the united wisdom of have been better employed in showing that the Cabinet as to imagine that a letter the judgment I had formed on these papers of any kind could take sixteen months to was not well-founded than in attributing consider. I am rather disposed to think motives to me, of which, if they had ex- that the way in which the affairs of Europe isted, he must have been entirely ignorant. and America were then pressing on the I shall not, on the present occasion, trouble noble Earl occasioned him entirely to overyour Lordships with a repetition of the sad look a circumstance of sucb comparative history of the sufferings of these unfor- insignificance as the indignities offered to a tunate prisoners, but will confine myself to British Consul by a Sovereign to whom he the proof, as it appears to me, that all was accredited. But be that as it may, it which has happened to them is to be unfortunately occurred that the Emperor, ascribed, shall I say to the neglect or about November, 1863, had his feelings
strongly excited against two missionaries, and all the diplomatic skill any man ever who were in Abyssinia, and they were im- possessed-he was an Asiatic, and for that prisoned. I do not mean at all to enter very reason just the person who ought not into their case ; I shall confine myself en- to have been selected. Am I justified in the tirely to that of the Consul. The Emperor anticipations I formed at the time, that this had been in a state of great excitement was an unfortunate selection ? Mr. Rassam because the letter he ha w ten a year arrived at Massowah in August, 1864, and before had received no attention whatever. he has never yet been permitted to apHe was incensed at the slight and affront proach the Emperor. Shortly after his offered to him ; he let loose his feelings on arrival the Emperor, curious to know what the Consul, and caused him to be impri. sort of mission had been sent from England, soned. Now, I say, as far as these facts despatched two of his subjects to Massowah, go, that I am entirely warranted in the to examine and inspect, and there they judgment at which I arrived, carefully found Mr. Raseam alone, with no presents. weighing and considering all the circum. I believe an English medical man had ac. stances, that the original cause of the companied him, but he had gone on leave Consul's imprisonment was the omission of absence, and had left Mr. Rassam alone. to answer the Emperor's letter. But the The emissaries immediately returned with Foreign Office was aware in the month an account which certainly did not induce of June, 1864, of the consequences of this the Emperor of Abyssinia to respect the unfortunate omission, and the important mission. If the Government had been practical question now is, in what manner driven to this selection, if there had been they set about to repair the mischief that no one else to appoint to this mission but had been caused. I have always maintained Mr. Rassam, of course that would be an anthis—that under the circumstances in which swer to all objection; but various applicathe prisoners were placed, and with the irri- tions were made to the Foreign Office for tated and excited feelings of the Sovereign, permission to go out on this particular it would be necessary that a mission should mission. Among others, there was one be despatched from this country, at the from a distinguished military officer who head of which an Englishman of some had been engaged on very delicate diplomark should have been placed, and that matic missions in the East—Sir William he should not have gone empty-handed, but Coghlan. There were also other persons I charged with presents, the customary mode might mention ; but I think it quite suffi. of approaching Oriental princes. When I cient to say that the selection made was suggested this on a former occasion, the not likely to be palatable to the Sovenoble Earl said that the notion of sending reign of Abyssina, nor to meet with his presents to the Abyssinian Sovereign was approbation. The Government, however, absurd, and it would only be an inducement persisted in the selection of Mr. Rassam, to him to believe that the best way of in. and the consequence has been the failure suring respect and consideration was to of the mission up to this time, and from the imprison a British Consul. I did not last accounts received of the unfortunate think that a very good answer, but I was prisoners it appears that they were still obliged to accept it at the time. Will it be chained hand and foot. Whether there believed that since it was given the person have been any occasional remissions in who has been employed in the mission the severity of their confinement, I am has been charged with very considerable not aware ;
but this was the account presents, which he was intrusted to deliver received respecting them down to so if he were permitted to approach the late a date as November last. I wish monarch? Instead of sending a subject to know particularly what the Foreign of this country at the head of the mission, Office has done for the purpose of supply. the Foreign Office, most unfortunately, asing the deficiencies in the mission which I think, selected for this office a Mr. they intrusted to Mr. Rassam. I underRassam, who was the Assistant to the stand that Mr. Palgrare has been sent Political Agent at Aden—a man I have out; but by the last accounts from him he no doubt of very considerable ability, had been at Cairo on six weeks' leave of who had, I believe, assisted Mr. Layard, absence, being satisfied that his services the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs, were not required to assist Mr. Rassam. in his interesting excavations at Nineveh ; With respeci to Mr. Rassam, he has apbut to whom there was this most decided ob- plied to the Emperor for a safe conduct, jection--even if he had ten times his ability which he had not yet obtained. The Emperor of Abyssinia had gone on an expedi- | the treaty had already been ratified by one tion against rebels; therefore, many weeks of his predecessors, and there was no ocor months must elapse before the safe casion for the present Emperor of Abysconduct could be used, if ever it were sent sinia to agree to it, as it was in force. at all. Now, I trust I have fairly stated THE EARL OF CLARENDON: It was the grounds on which I feel the deepest not in force if the Emperor would not give interest relative to this matter. I am most force to it. Consul Cameron was directed anxious to know what are the latest ac- to return to Massowah which were the counts relative to the condition of these head-quarters of his consulate, and to reunfortunate captives—for Consul Cameron main there until further orders. Unfortuis not the only. captive- and whether Mr. nately, Consul Cameron did not obey these Rassam has made any and what progress instructions, or the instruction of the Emin his mission ? I wish also more parti- peror, but remained in Abyssinia; and it cularly to know whether any further effort was to this his not having proceeded to has been made, beyond the mission of Mr. Massowal as directed that all this distress Rassam, from which we may indulge a and suffering have occurred. We know hope of the liberation of these unfortunate that the bearer of a letter from the Emprisoners at no distant day?
peror of the French was thrown into chains THE EARL OF CLARENDON: My because the letter was signed by M. Drouyn Lords, I felt no surprise whatever that the de Lhuys and not by the Emperor of the noble and learned Lord, after the deep in- French. Our object was to prevent interterest he has taken in the fate of these meddling in the affairs of the country, and unfortunate men, should have, on the very when we found that Consul Cameron was first day of the Session, given notice of his mixed up with them a letter was written desire to receive full information respecting to him telling him to return to Massowah, the condition of these, unfortunate men. and there to attend to his duties. This He says very justly that the deep interest letter fell into the hands of the Emperor he feels is shared by a great many persons of Abyssinia, and, it is said, unfortunately - we are all concerned for what has taken caused the sufferings of the prisoners to place ; but I cannot help regretting the be increased. The first we heard, not of acrimony of the noble and learned Lord's the imprisonment, but of the detention of tone, which I think uncalled for, and cal Consul Cameron, came by rumour through culated to effect no benefit. The fact is, Egypt. It was, then, to be considered in that up to this moment we do not know what manner we should proceed whether the real cause of Consul Cameron's deten- by force or negotiation, in order to effect tion. The noble Lord said it was on ac- the liberation of the prisoners. Now, to count of a letter not being answered in attempt to send an army across that deadly proper time, and we know that Captain plain which separates Abyssinia from the Cameron has said that until the letter has sea, and to penetrate into the interior of received a civil answer he will not be liberat- the country through mountain passes and ed; and we know also that the missionaries difficulties unknown, without any basis of and others have said that the cause of his operations or means of obtaining supplies, detention is an alteration in the policy of would have been a vain and idle endeavour. this country towards Abyssinia. Now, In such case the Emperor would have though I admit there may have been delay carried his prisoners further into the inon the part of the Foreign Office in an- terior, or would have massacred them, swering the letter, the fact is that no great while we should have sacrificed many importance was attached to the letter, be- thousand lives. Next came the question cause the only essential part of it had been how should an attempt be made to attain already answered by my noble Friend be the desired object by negotiation. hind me (Earl Russell), who said that, be- noble and learned Lord says that if he had fore the Government could agree to certain been responsible for the matter he would things desired by the Emperor of Abys- have sent out an important mission, headed sinia, be must desist from the scheme of by a man of rauk. Now I think that if conquering provinces, and must ratify the he had been responsible he would have treaty agreed to by his predecessor. The done no such thing, for it is likely that Emperor's answer was that he would not the members of that mission would have give up his schemes of conquest, and would shared the same fate as Consul Cameron. not ratify the treaty.
We have evi for believing that the THE EARL OF DERBY observed, that Emperor of Abyssinia supposed that by