Mr. LANTOS. If the answer is most emphatically yes, can you conceive of the case being resolved except in an American court of law?

Mr. BROWN. Well, I would certainly hope that it was resolved in an American court of law, but I can conceive that my hopes notwithstanding that it would be resolved elsewhere.

Mr. LANTOS. If elsewhere, meaning where?

Mr. BROWN. Taiwan.

Mr. LANTOS. If it is resolved in Taiwan, is the assumption that I made in my opening remarks, that suspicions would linger, a reasonable assumption?

Mr. BROWN. Well, sir, I think that could depend obviously on the prosecution and the outcome of such a case. We have emphatically, to reiterate, expressed our desire that that case, the case of Chen and Wu be conducted in Daly City in this country where the crime was committed.

Failing that, if there is to be, if our desires are not met and if there is to be a trial, as is indicated, in Taiwan, one would hope that it was speedy, just and open to the public. If it were, even though I would prefer for obvious reasons that it would be conducted in the United States, one would have to look at the outcome. Mr. LANTOS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. SOLARZ. If there are no further questions? Mr. Solomon.

POSSIBLE FBI CONNECTION

Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Chairman, since I am going to be offering an amendment to your resolution a little later, I just want to make a point on a couple of things.

Mr. Brown, there have been a number of interesting reports in the press concerning Mr. Liu's activities. I am reading an article here that was in this past week's edition of Newsweek, which, for example, identified Mr. Liu as an FBI informant in one way or another.

The United Press International has reported that he gathered intelligence data concerning mainland China for the Republic of China. As a matter of fact, the Defense Intelligence Bureau, the very agency that has been implicated in his death, and other reports, which I don't believe-have suggested that he had connections with the mainland Chinese.

Have you any comments on these suggestions? Might they have some kind of a bearing on the case?

Mr. BROWN. I am aware, sir, of that report and others in the media, but I really think I should refrain from such speculation on matters involving intelligence, or allegedly involving intelligence organizations.

Mr. SOLOMON. Fine.

Just what precisely is the attitude of our government? In other words, what attitude do they take concerning matters of extradition? Do we hand over our citizens, American citizens, to a foreign government for purposes of standing trial?

Mr. BROWN. Pursuant to an extradition treaty, sir, yes. In the absence of an extradition treaty, this government does not hand over anyone for prosecution abroad.

Mr. SOLOMON. Are there relevant Supreme Court decisions in this line? Particularly I know in 1936, there was a case Valentine v. United States in which, as I understand it, the executive authority of the government to extradite American citizens was restricted severely at that time. I suppose we abide by that Supreme Court decision, even today.

Mr. BROWN. I suppose so, sir, but I would refer to my legal colleague.

Mr. SOLOMON. Just one last question.

Could you just restate for me the contacts our Government has had with the Republic of China concerning this case. Are you satisfied yourself that they have actually cooperated and have been helpful to us?

Mr. BROWN. Yes, up to this moment, sir.

Mr. SOLOMON. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. SOLARZ. I thank the gentleman. Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Brown. We would appreciate it if you possibly could be available during the duration of this hearing, first because we expect to hear from Mrs. Liu in a few minutes, and then Professor Glennon. There may be some matters that come up on which we would want the administration to subsequently comment. Also we will be taking up the resolution, and during the course of our consideration of the resolution, it is possible members may have some questions which they would like an administration witness to respond to.

If you or one of your associates who is in a position to speak for the Department can remain behind, that would be helpful.

Mr. BROWN. Mr. Chairman, I have an appointment to see off a high visiting dignitary with whom you lunched the other day. I wondered if I might be excused. I could leave my colleague, Mr. Surena.

Mr. SOLARZ. So long as he has your proxy. You are permitted to go and give the Prime Minister my regards. Thank you very much. Mr. SOLARZ. The committee will now hear Mrs. Helena Liu. Mrs. Liu, do you want to come to the witness table. Mrs. Liu, let me say on behalf of all my colleagues on the committee, how deeply we regret the fact that we are all meeting you under these tragic circumstances.

STATEMENT OF HELENA LIU, DALY CITY, CA, ACCOMPANIED BY LING-CHI WANG, CHAIRMAN, THE COMMITTEE TO OBTAIN JUSTICE FOR HENRY LIU, AND JEROME M. GARCHIK, ATTORNEY Mrs. Liu. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. SOLARZ. All of us, I am sure, on both sides of the aisle have a deep sense of outrage over the fact that your husband was killed, and we want you to know that you have our sympathies, and indeed even our prayers at this very difficult moment. We are very grateful to you for your willingness at such a difficult time for you personally to come here to share your thoughts with us about what happened to your husband, and its implications for the policy of our own Government. Thank you very, very much for coming; we look forward to your testimony.

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PREPARED STATEMENT OF HELEN LIU

THE COMMITTEE TO OBTAIN JUSTICE FOR HENRY LIU

I am grateful and honored to be asked to come here today to testify before the United States Congress regarding my husband, Henry Liu, and to relate to you, and to the American People some of the history of my husband's life, what he believed in, and what he wrote about. My husband and I lived here, in Washington, D.C. together for over ten years, from 1967 to 1978, and Henry and I made many friends here during those years. Yet though we made many friends and acquaintances in government life, we never thought that someday I would be testifying as a witness here in the Congress, and we certainly never could have anticipated what tragic circumstances would bring me here.

First, I want to state that I am also here as a representative of The Committee to Obtain Justice for Henry Liu which was organized spontaneously by many of Henry's friends and fellow journalists right after his death on October 15th, 1984. The Chairman of our Committee, Prof. Ling-Chi Wang, and our attorney, Jerome M. Garchik, are with me here today also on behalf of our Committee. Our Committee has members now all across the United States, and it includes many prominent journalists, intellectuals and community leaders, some of whom did not know my husband personally, but only knew and respected his work. Our Committee is not a political comittee, but rather is a humanitarian and civil rights group. The members and supporters hold all different political viewpoints on issues of American and Chinese questions, but they all share the same sense of

outrage and loss at the death of my husband, as well as the same feelings of fear that his murder caused among Chinese people of good will everywhere.

I believe that my husband was murdered on the orders of high government officials of the Republic of China(Taiwan), and that he was killed by them for a threefold purpose: 1) To punish him for writing about the ruling Chiang family; 2) To prevent him from writing books and articles in the future about the Chiang family, and their political and family history; and 3) To scare other journalists and writers who might also be interested as Henry was in writing about this family and its history. My belief that this is why he was killed is based on the following evidence, including the repeated efforts of Taiwanese officials to bribe Henry not to publish his book on Fresident Chiang Ching-kuo, the sworn confession of one of my husband's killers,Wu Tun, and on the continuing efforts of the Taiwan Government to harm my husband's reputation as a writer, now that he is dead, and to cover-up all of the true facts about who in the Taiwan Government ordered his murder and why.

Who Was Henry Liu ?

Everyone who met my husband knew him to be an especially talented and resourceful journalist. He was born on December 7,1932 in Jingjiang, Jiangsu, and grew up amidst the turmoil nine and chaos of war and revolution. When he was years old, his father fell victim to a Communist shooting. He was drafted into the Nationalist (Kuomintang) Army when he was 16, and was evacuated to Taiwan in 1949. During the 1950's he continued his education, and attended a Defense Ministry School for political cadres, run by Chiang Ching-kuo, son of President Chiang Kai-shek. There, he met Chiang Kai-shek's other son, General Chiang Wei-kuo, and General Wang Sheng.

My husband, however, didn't like a military career, and wanted to be a journalist. First, he worked for a Government radio program. Later, he became a reporter for the Taiwan