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Q

Didn't you sign a consent to the substitution of the law firm of DeWitt, Nast and Diskin in place of

Alfred G. Mueller as the attorney for the defendant,

Institute for Business Planning, Inc.?

MR. DONNELLY: That I object to as being

entirely irrelevant.

THE WITNESS: What is this nonsense.

You

know I signed it. You think I am trying to kid you

about whether this guy is a lawyer for the defendant? MR. GARFIELD: I am trying to get facts

which are relevant to the question

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THE WITNESS: You have those facts.

MR. GARFIELD: Then why make such a to-do

about them?

THE WITNESS: Why waste my time? You are

asking for things you know as a fact.

MR. GARFIELD: I am not going to waste time or
I want to get facts.

money in this examination.

I will take you through the facts that I deem

relevant and material to the issues.

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When you met Mr. Fields in or about the month of August, 1956, did he tell you that he was an

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A I don't know. All I know is that he worked for

attorney?

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an actuarial firm named Zischke. He is a non-practicing

attorney.

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Mr. Casey, I want to tell you, you asked me

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to refrain from asking questions that I knew to be a fact.

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In a pleading it is alleged that he has been an attorney

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and you denied it, or you denied it on information,

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any knowledge, information or belief. So, therefore,

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Q I am merely asking you what he told you.

Did he tell you he was an attorney?

MR. DONNELLY:

before.

You didn't ask him that

A I don't recall whether he did or not.

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Did the plaintiff, Harry R. Fields,tell

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you in August, 1956, when he first met you, that he was

a specialist in the field of employee benefits and tax situations and related subject matters of pensions,

profit-sharing and deferred compensation?

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For how long a period of time would you say

Yes, he did tell me that.

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Q I want to give you plenty of time and I want

you to tell us as well as you can remember the substance
or the words, if you can remember, of what was said
by Mr. Fields on the first occasion when he met you and
what was said by you.

A Mr. Lewis had made an appointment and asked me

to see Mr. Fields.

May I interject for a second, please? Was

Mr. Lewis present at the first meeting?

No.

Q Will you please confine yourself to what was said by Mr. Fields and what was said by you?

In substance or words, as well as you can recall it, on the first occasion.

A I apologized to Mr. Fields for being late for

the appointment and told him that I would not be able

to spend any time with him, that I had another appoint

ment to which I had to go. And I agreed to see him at

breakfast. I asked him to come and have breakfast

with me the following day.

He may have, on that first occasion, told me

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briefly what was on his mind.

Q Would you please tell us, as well as you can,

if you remember, what was said by him on that first

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A He had written a manuscript which he wanted to

have published, that he wanted me to take it to

Prentice-Hall.

He said that he was sure they would

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ask me to evaluate it, anyway, if they were going to
consider publishing it, and he asked me if I would be
willing to read it, look through it and take it and
give it to Mr. Krieger, with whom he had apparently
been in correspondence at Prentice-Hall.

Q At the time of the first meeting, did Mr.
Fields have with him the manuscript which he said he
had written?

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Yes, I think he did. In fact, he may have left

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it at the first meeting at which I said I would glance at

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Q I show you twenty-eight pages of original

matter, each page of which

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MR. DONNELLY:

Mr. Garfield, I prefer if you

will, I submit it speaks for itself.

MR. GARFIELD:

Pardon me. I will ask the

question and then if you wish to object, I would

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& Diskin, and of Mr. Mueller appended at the foot of it,

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and I ask you whether these twenty-eight pages are the

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manuscript which was delivered to you in about the

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month of August, 1956, by the plaintiff, Harry R.

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MR. GARFIELD:

Would you please, Mr.

Donnelly, look at the stipulation and the bill?

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A and B, the introductory pages, so they might

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