S. HRG. 108-812

LETTING THE PEOPLE DECIDE: THE CONSTITU-
TIONAL AMENDMENT AUTHORIZING CONGRESS
TO PROHIBIT THE PHYSICAL DESECRATION
OF THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES

HEARING

BEFORE THE

CONGRESS

MAY 24.2005

TRANSFER

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
UNITED STATES SENATE

ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

MARCH 10, 2004

Serial No. J-108-60

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CONTENTS

STATEMENTS OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS

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Craig, Hon. Larry E., a U.S. Senator from the State of Idaho

8

prepared statement

124

Cornyn, Hon. John, a U.S. Senator from the State of Texas, prepared state-

ment

122

Durbin, Hon. Richard J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Illinois

11

Feingold, Hon. Russell D., a U.S. Senator from the State of Wisconsin

9

prepared statement

138

Feinstein, Hon. Dianne, a U.S. Senator from the State of California

Hatch, Hon. Orrin G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Utah

13

1

prepared statement

153

Leahy, Hon. Patrick J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Vermont

4

prepared statement

173

Kohl, Hon. Kohl, a U.S. Senator from the State of Wisconsin, prepared state-

ment

160

WITNESSES

Korb, Lawrence J., Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress, Alexandria,

Virginia

Andretti, John, NASCAR Nextel Cup Series Driver, Mooresville, North Caro-

lina

Brady, Patrick H., Chairman of the Board, Citizens Flag Alliance, and Recipi-

ent, Congressional Medal of Honor, Sumner, Washington

Bryant, Daniel J., Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Policy, Depart-

ment of Justice, Washington, D.C.

24

28

16

31

May, Gary E., Associate Professor of Social Work, University of Southern

Indiana, Evansville, Indiana

33

Parker, Richard D., Williams Professor of Law, Harvard Law School, Cam-

bridge, Massachusetts

35

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Responses of John Andretti to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Patrick Brady to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Daniel J. Bryant to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Lawrence Korb to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Gary May to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Richard Parker to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

American Bar Association, Dennis W. Archer, President, Washington, D.C.,

prepared statement

American Civil Liberties Union, Laura W. Murphy, Director and Terri A.

Schroeder, Legislative Analyst, Washington, D.C., statement

Brieden, John, National Commander, American Legion, Katherine Mor-

ris, National President, American Legion Auxiliary, and Neal C.

Warnken, National Commander, Sons of the American Legion, letter

Severa, John N., Legislative Chairman, Tenth District, Forest Hills, New
DUS York, letter

Sun, Neal S., Department of Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona, letter

1 Vac

Dan, Eighteen District, Bloomington, Illinois, letter

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah, Chairman

CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa

ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania
JON KYL, Arizona

MIKE DEWINE, Ohio

JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama

LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina
LARRY E. CRAIG, Idaho

SAXBY CHAMBLISS, Georgia

JOHN CORNYN, Texas

PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont
EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts
JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., Delaware
HERBERT KOHL, Wisconsin
DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California
RUSSELL D. FEINGOLD, Wisconsin
CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York
RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois
JOHN EDWARDS, North Carolina

BRUCE ARTIM, Chief Counsel and Staff Director
BRUCE A. COHEN, Democratic Chief Counsel and Staff Director

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STATEMENTS OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS

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Craig, Hon. Larry E., a U.S. Senator from the State of Idaho

8

prepared statement

124

Cornyn, Hon. John, a U.S. Senator from the State of Texas, prepared state-

ment

122

Durbin, Hon. Richard J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Illinois

11

Feingold, Hon. Russell D., a U.S. Senator from the State of Wisconsin

9

prepared statement

138

Feinstein, Hon. Dianne, a U.S. Senator from the State of California

Hatch, Hon. Orrin G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Utah

13

1

prepared statement

153

Leahy, Hon. Patrick J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Vermont

4

prepared statement

173

Kohl, Hon. Kohl, a U.S. Senator from the State of Wisconsin, prepared state-

ment

160

WITNESSES

Andretti, John, NASCAR Nextel Cup Series Driver, Mooresville, North Caro-

lina

24

Brady, Patrick H., Chairman of the Board, Citizens Flag Alliance, and Recipi-

ent, Congressional Medal of Honor, Sumner, Washington

28

Korb, Lawrence J., Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress, Alexandria,

Virginia

Bryant, Daniel J., Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Policy, Depart-

ment of Justice, Washington, D.C.

16

31

May, Gary E., Associate Professor of Social Work, University of Southern

Indiana, Evansville, Indiana

33

Parker, Richard D., Williams Professor of Law, Harvard Law School, Cam-

bridge, Massachusetts

35

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Responses of John Andretti to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Patrick Brady to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Daniel J. Bryant to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Lawrence Korb to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Gary May to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

Responses of Richard Parker to questions submitted by Senator Leahy

SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

American Bar Association, Dennis W. Archer, President, Washington, D.C.,
prepared statement

American Civil Liberties Union, Laura W. Murphy, Director and Terri A.
Schroeder, Legislative Analyst, Washington, D.C., statement

American Legion:

Brieden, John, National Commander, American Legion, Katherine Mor-

ris, National President, American Legion Auxiliary, and Neal C.

Warnken, National Commander, Sons of the American Legion, letter ....

Severa, John N., Legislative Chairman, Tenth District, Forest Hills, New

York, letter

Sundeen, Neal S., Department of Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona, letter

Vaclav, Dan, Eighteen District, Bloomington, Illinois, letter