Q. Do you remember what the cost of it was? A. I do not ·

remember.

Q. Not the least? A. No, sir.

Q. Whether $30,000 or $50,000? A. I cannot remember what the cost was.

Q. Did you make any other estimate than of the guns and ammunition? A. I think I did for the stores and coal.

Q. What estimate of stores did you make? remember.

A. I do not

Q. Did you make any estimate of coal? A. I did.

Q. What was that? A. I cannot remember the quantity; it was I think $10 a ton that was allowed.

Q. But the quantity you cannot remember? A. No, sir.

Q. What quantity of provisions? A. I do not remember.
Q. Or of coal? A. I do not remember that.

Q. Was it a fighting condition you estimated for? A. I do not remember now.

Q. You have stated about $390,000 as the total. How much of that was for the ship? A. I do not remember.

Q. Where did you get the amount for the ship? A. I got it from Mr. Wright's estimation, through a telegram from Boston, from his brother, getting the price Mr. Forbes asked.

Q. Was the $390,000 gold or currency? A. I think currency.

Q. And you have no idea what you put down for the ship? A. I do not remember whether it was $350,000 or less; I know the ship was offered for that.

Q. All that was not for the ship, was for the ammunition and guns, and provisions and coal? A. Yes; and the manning. Q. How much for manning? A. I do not recollect what it

was.

Q. Have you ever seen that paper again? A. Since I delivered it? No, sir. Ah! the estimate on the Meteor? The one I gave to Conkling and McNichols was only an estimate for guns and ammunition; that is a different thing; you have been getting things mixed.

Q. How much was the total that you gave Conkling and McNichols? A. I cannot tell.

Q. Not at all? A. I cannot remember.

Q. What is the trouble with your memory? A. It is bad on some occasions; and when I put down figures, it is not to be supposed I can remember them.

Q. Is it good on other occasions? A. Yes, sir; I have no reason for not giving these figures, only I do not remember them. Q. You cannot give us any idea whatever? A. No, sir, I cannot. I can remember what a gun costs a pound, but I cannot remember the amount.

Q. You say you heard a conversation with the mate, in which Mr. Forbes replied that they were to be put in the rack; what did you understand was meant by the "rack"? A. By the answer, I supposed the mate asked him where he should put the rifles, and his answer was to put them in the racks, which are provided for any ship.

Q. Do merchant ships have them? A. Yes, sir; when they have rifles.

Q. Do you know how many rifles there were? A. No, sir; one case I saw.

Q. Do you know how many a case holds? A. A case generally holds two dozen; and some one dozen.

Q. Which was this? A. I cannot tell, because they were the small-sized rifle.

Q. So far as you know there may have been but a dozen rifles that you saw and heard anything about? A. Yes; a dozen or twenty.

Q. You do not know of there being more than a dozen? A. No, I do not. If any one said a dozen, I should not deny it.

Q. Do you consider a dozen rifles as of any significance as a warlike outfit for a fighting ship? A. No, sir; not much.

Q. Do you consider a dozen rifles an outfit, to cruise, or commit hostilities? A. No, sir.

Q. Do you know of any other preparation on board the ship, of ammunition, or arms, than these rifles? A. No, sir; not at that time; I saw two rifle guns on board of her, but did not see them that day.

Q. Where was this man you spoke of that was rolling in the barrels? A. On the wharf, alongside the vessel, about half way forward from aft, I believe.

Q. What was there about the man that led you to think he

knew where the ship was going? A. Nothing particular; but almost all those stevedores do know. I have been in the merchant service myself, and know that fact, and I asked him.

Q. Did you know this man was a stevedore? A. I do not

know he was.

Q. Do the carmen and day laborers usually know where ships are going? A. Not usually.

Q. You have no idea this man had any connection with the ship, except to help get the stores in? A. No, sir.

Q. You would not consider him a man in the confidence of the owners of the ship, from the position you saw him in? A. No, sir. I could not tell that he was.

Q. You would not think so? A. I do not know whether I would think so, or not; I would trust some day laborers as soon as others.

you

Q. From what you saw of this would man, think he was a man in the confidence of the owners, as to where the ship was going? A. I should not think he was in the confidence of the

owners.

Q. Did you ask anybody else where the ship was going, except this day laborer, and whatever conversation you had with Mr. Forbes? A. I do not remember that I did.

Q. You went into the cabin? A. Yes, sir; or ward-room. Q. What did you go there for? A. To see Captain Forbes. Q. Did you have business with him? A. Not particularly. Q. Had you any business at all? A. No particular business with him.

Q. Had you any business on board that ship? A. I had no particular business with him in the cabin. I shall not answer that question any other way; that is the only answer I can give. I had no particular business with him. I went to walk into the cabin and see the ship, and speak with Captain Forbes; I knew him.

Q. Had you any business on board that ship? A. I had no particular business on board that ship.

Q. What did you go into the cabin for? A. To see Captain Forbes.

Q. What did you want to see him for? A. I wanted to see him, because I knew he was on board the ship, and I was ac

quainted with him. I had fitted out a ship in Boston that he was interested in; I did not go with any other intention at all; that was all the business I had with him.

Q. You saw him engaged about the business of his vessel? A. I do not know whether he was engaged about the business of his vessel or not; he was walking between decks when I first saw him.

Q. You saw him engaged about the business of his vessel, with parties on the ship? A. I suppose so.

Q. Had you any business to overhear his conversation? A. He asked me to come into the cabin; he spoke to me, shook hands, and asked me into the cabin.

Q. Had you any business to overhear his conversation with his men in the business of his ship? A. I do not know whether I had any business, or not; I could not avoid it very well.

Q. Had you any business to repeat the conversation you had heard in the ship in that way? A. No, sir, I have no business, unless called on to do it before a court.

Q. What was the subject talked of, between him and the engineer? A. What I heard I have testified to. The engineer did not seem to understand how he was to be paid his wages; I do not exactly remember the price mentioned, but I think it was $100 in currency, and the equivalent paid in gold.

Q. Do you think that was on the paper? A. No. That is what they were talking of.

Q. Was the paper before them? A. Yes, sir, the shipping

papers.

Q. Was the point, that the engineer did not know whether it was currency or specie he was to be paid, or what was it? A. The engineer did not seem to understand.

Q. He did not seem to understand what the rate of his wages was? A. He knew the rate of his wages in currency; but how he would be paid in a foreign port, was the question.

Q. How it would be turned into an equivalent in gold? A. Yes, sir.

Q. What did Mr. Forbes tell him about that? A. I do not remember. I remember his telling him something about it; but I did not listen to the conversation very much.

Q. That is all about the conversation? A. That is all I remember anything about.

Q. About these letters of marque; did you request Rogers to give you one of these letters of marque? A. I did not.

Q. Did you intimate to him that you would like one of those letters of marque? A. I do not know what you mean by that; I have just replied, I did not ask for one of them; I certainly would have asked for one, if I wanted it, of could have used it.

Q. You did not want one, did you? A. I did not need either of them.

Q. Did you wish either of them? A. I have told you in my testimony, that Bates left these letters of marque with Mr. Rogers, telling him to give me one of them if I called, and said I had raised stock for a privateer.

Q. Did you acquiesce in the statement of Bates as being according to your wish? A. I did not tell Mr. Rogers I would call for

one.

Q. Did you acquiesce in that statement as being according to your wish? A. I did not say anything about it at all. That is the only answer I can give.

Q. Did you lead Mr. Rogers to understand that the expression of Bates was according to your wish? A. I do not know that I gave him to understand anything at all.

Q. Was it according to your wish? A. I decline to answer. Q. Why? A. Because I do not think it has anything to do with the case at all, and it is only made to bring something against me if possible.

The Court directs the witness to answer.

A. My wish was, to let me have one if I wanted it.

Q. What was said about any amount of stock to be ready for a privateer? A. I do not remember anything.

Q. Nothing? A. No, sir.

Q. Did you make any effort to raise stock for a privateer? A. No, sir.

Q. And you never followed up that letter of marque in any way? A. No, sir; I thought I could not raise it in any way. Q. And you did not follow up the letter of marque ? A. No,

sir.

Q. And that is all that happened on that subject, that you had to do with? A. That is all that I remember.

Q. What time was it that this conversation was held, in which