succeeded in getting my $25,000 worth of Chattanooga stock, as he tried to get it, I have no doubt that I would have been treated in precisely the same way as to that-subjected to the same procrustean operation that I was subjected to in these other matters.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Q. State what he said in regard to that Congressional fund.-A. Well, he would not go into that. There was talk at that time to the effect that Brady had not really disbursed that money. Contractors charged him, if I may be permitted to use so harsh a term, with stealing the money-charged that he had got it out of them on this pretext, and had put it in his pocket; but he did not go into that.

By Mr. MILLIKEN:

Q. Have you ever brought a suit for those notes?-A. Yes, sir; for the amount of them.

By Mr. STEWART:

Q. What is the amount?

Mr. VAN ALSTYNE. He has already stated that the amount of his claim was $42,000, from which was to be deducted a credit of $7,500.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Q. Is that suit pending in the District of Columbia ?-A. No, sir; it has been transferred to New York.

By Mr. MILLIKEN :

Q. Have you ever instituted any criminal prosecution against Brady for taking those notes in the way he did?-A. No, sir; and after witnessing the Government's performance in the other criminal prosecutions, I am very glad that I never did. [Laughter.]

Q. You waited to see how the Government would come out?—A. Well, I thought. Mr. Milliken, that if I could get out without being prosecuted myself for testifying, I would be very fortunate.

By Mr. FYAN:

Q. If I understand the statement which you made a few moments ago, the fault that the contractors found with Brady was that, instead of using the money to buy up Congressmen, he had pocketed it himself.— A. Yes, sir; they spoke that way, and I suggested to him that if I had to pay $8,000 to that fund I ought to know where it went; and in reply to that he said that I would perhaps find more business in attending to my own affairs. Well, I thought that $8,000, if I had to pay it, would constitute a part of my affairs, but he did not seem to take that view.

Q. Have you ever taken Price's testimony -A. I could never get it. I attempted to take it here, and, to my intense surprise, when I went in before the commissioner, Price appeared there with counsel. Jere. Wilson and Jeff. Chandler appeared representing Brady, and Mr. Cole, the partner of Mr. William A. Cook, appeared to represent Price. Mr. Cook, to whom I had paid a retainer in my civil action against Brady, comes in before the commissioner, through his partner, Mr. Cole, as the counsel of Price. [Laughter.] Well, the whole thing is really too funny. To speak figuratively, they fairly snorted over me, and said that I was a very bad man indeed, and my lawyer, a young man by the name of Thomas, looked as if he had done something wrong himself, and the result was that I had to do the principal part of the talking there. Price was reticent. He said that he had nothing to do with Walsh's affairs

or Brady's affairs, and generally he assumed a lofty and magnificent air and declared that he would not testify. He was asked, "Mr. Price, don't you think you ought to give your testimony in this case?" He said, "No; I do not think so." He was then asked, "Do you remem ber these drafts?" "Yes," said he, "those are my drafts." "Did you ever give those drafts to Walsh?" I think he answered that he did not-either that, or he declined to answer. I asked the commissioner to certify to the court that Mr. Price had refused to answer, and let me bring the matter before the court in order to get a ruling as to whether or no he should answer.

Q. Did Price decline to answer, upon the ground that he could not do so without criminating himself?-A. He would not put it so squarely as that. It was, perhaps, substantially that; but Price seemed to be unwilling to do anything-auxious, seemingly, only to get away.

Q. Well, the upshot was that you did not get his testimony?-A. Oh, no; I did not get his testimony. The commissioner let him off.

Q. When was that?-A. I think that was after 1 testified before the third grand jury.

Q. Who was the commissioner?-A. Mr. Bradley.

Q. Have you made any effort to get Price's testimony since?-A. No. I don't know where he is.

By Mr. FYAN:

Q. I thought you stated that you had a subpœna for him, and one for Kellogg, to appear in New York, and that they were served, but the service was not good?-A. No; that was Kellogg and Brady. I expected to get Mr. Price the other day, as I understood that he was to appear before this committee, but he went off. Mr. Price does not want to testify.

By Mr. STEWART:

Q. He does not know anything of your transactions with Brady subsequent to those drafts?-A. No, sir; but he knows that he never gave me the $22.500 of his paper that I had. He knows that. Then, that being so, the question arises, "How did you come by it, Walsh? Were people giving you money?" Of course, there could be but one answer to that.

By Mr. MILLIKEN:

Q. Your statement in regard to Brady would imply that they were taking it away, rather than giving it to you.-A. Yes, sir. Q. Does Brady now deny that he took those notes ?-A. I don't know. I think that perhaps he would deny it. He admits, however, that he owes me some money, but not so much as I claim. I have tried to get him to say how much he does owe me. Mr. Reed sent to my attorney in New York about it, as I have stated. My attorney thinks I am a fit subject for incarceration, because I have not taken my money, and I don't know but what he is right. He said to me, "You have played devil now; you have returned from Montreal and gone on the witness stand, and now Reed says they'll be blowed if you ever get a cent. Brady is execution-proof, and you can go to the bow-wows." Reed said this in substance to my attorney, Judge Grandin, and he so wrote me, and he thinks I have been foolish.

By Mr. FYAN:

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Q. He thinks you have been foolish because you have been testifying? A. Yes, sir.

Q. He thinks that you should have taken your money and kept your mouth shut?-A. Yes, sir. He says, "Walsh, the United States Government has acted in your case as I have never known it to act in the case of any Government witness before, and you are under no obliga tion to it at all." "Well," said I, "Judge, I owe something to myself. I can't help it. If I were to leave now, these men would all publish to the world that they had bought me, and that I was the worst scoundrel in the world." While the Government people were trying to find me to subpoena me Kellogg and these other men were going around claiming that I did not dare to come back, and that I had been bought. Indeed, I think the Government itself was impressed with that idea. That was one of the misfortunes of my position.

Q. Are there indictments pending against Brady ?—A. I think there

are.

Q. Have you been subpoenaed as a witness in any such case ?—A. No, sir; I am not under subpœna now. The Government, I suppose, does not want to pay me $1.25 a day for an indefinite period. You see at $1.25 a day I have been inclined to give expression to Red-Republican ideas. The conservatism of $100 a day has not extended to me. At that rate a man can afford to be very conservative.

Mr. VAN ALSTYNE. I don't understand that last expression or yours about "Red-Republican ideas."

The WITNESS. I mean that I am, perhaps, rather inclined towards Socialism, Saint Simonism. [Laughter.]

Mr. FYAN. I asked you that question because of the intimation of your attorney, as you understood it, that you had now put yourself out of the way of getting any money by being ready to testify against these defendants.

The WITNESS. My attorney was not giving any opinion at all. He was simply repeating what Reed had stated to him.

Q. Since this recent action in the Kellogg case has Brady admitted that he owes you anything?-A. I have not been in New York for a month.

By Mr. VAN ALSTYNE:

Q. You have not had any interview with Mr. Brady, directly or indirectly?-A. No.

Mr. FYAN. But Mr. Walsh has stated the substance of this communi. cation which came from Brady's attorney to his (Walsh's) counsel in New York, and I am asking him whether that has occurred since the disposition of the Kellogg case by the court here.

The WITNESS. No; it has not. It has occurred, though, since I came from Canada. Mr. Grandin was referring to my coming from Canada here. He said that Mr. Reed considered that I was acting badly in coming back; that I should not have returned. Indeed, I would not have gone away but for the gate-way that Mr. Merrick was kind enough to leave open to me by saying that it was not Walsh they wanted, but the papers that he had in his possession. The Attorney-General, who has to take the responsibility, saw that that was a very unfortu nate statement to be made by the counsel for the Government, and therefore he was unwilling to let the matter rest there. Hence the explanation made by the Attorney-General-hence the response from the President of the United States to my last letter-the first response that I have been able to draw from him.

By Mr. FYAN:

Q. Then, as I understand you, the reason why you did not accept

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or Brady's affairs, and generally he assumed a lofty and magnificent air and declared that he would not testify. He was asked, "Mr. Price, don't you think you ought to give your testimony in this case?" He said, No; I do not think so." He was then asked, "Do you remember these drafts?" "Yes," said he, "those are my drafts." "Did you ever give those drafts to Walsh?" I think he answered that he did not-either that, or he declined to answer. I asked the commissioner

to certify to the court that Mr. Price had refused to answer, and let me bring the matter before the court in order to get a ruling as to whether or no he should answer.

Q. Did Price decline to answer, upon the ground that he could not do so without criminating himself?-A. He would not put it so squarely as that. It was, perhaps, substantially that; but Price seemed to be unwilling to do anything-anxious, seemingly, only to get away.

Q. Well, the upshot was that you did not get his testimony?—A. Oh, no; I did not get his testimony. The commissioner let him off.

Q. When was that?-A. I think that was after I testified before the third grand jury.

Q. Who was the commissioner?-A. Mr. Bradley.

Q. Have you made any effort to get Price's testimony since-A. No. I don't know where he is.

By Mr. FYAN:

Q. I thought you stated that you had a subpoena for him, and one for Kellogg, to appear in New York, and that they were served, but the service was not good?-A. No; that was Kellogg and Brady. I expected to get Mr. Price the other day, as I understood that he was to appear before this committee, but he went off. Mr. Price does not want to testify.

By Mr. STEWART:

Q. He does not know anything of your transactions with Brady subsequent to those drafts?-A. No, sir; but he knows that he never gave me the $22.500 of his paper that I had. He knows that. Then, that being so, the question arises, "How did you come by it, Walsh? Were people giving you money?" Of course, there could be but one answer to that.

By Mr. MILLIKEN:

Q. Your statement in regard to Brady would imply that they were taking it away, rather than giving it to you.-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Does Brady now deny that he took those notes ?-A. I don't know. I think that perhaps he would deny it. He admits, however, that he owes me some money, but not so much as I claim. I have tried to get him to say how much he does owe me. Mr. Reed sent to my attorney in New York about it, as I have stated. My attorney thinks I am a fit subject for incarceration, because I have not taken my money, and I don't know but what he is right. He said to me, "You have played the devil now; you have returned from Montreal and gone on the witness stand, and now Reed says they'll be blowed if you ever get a cent. Brady is execution proof, and you can go to the bow-wows." Reed said this in substance to my attorney, Judge Grandin, and he so wrote me, and he thinks I have been foolish.

By Mr. FYAN:

Q. He thinks you have been foolish because you have been testifying? A. Yes, sir.

Q. He thinks that you should have taken your money and kept your mouth shut?-A. Yes, sir. He says, "Walsh, the United States Government has acted in your case as I have never known it to act in the case of any Government witness before, and you are under no obligation to it at all." "Well," said I, "Judge, I owe something to myself. I can't help it. If I were to leave now, these men would all publish to the world that they had bought me, and that I was the worst scoundrel in the world." While the Government people were trying to find me to subpoena me Kellogg and these other men were going around claiming that I did not dare to come back, and that I had been bought. Indeed, I think the Government itself was impressed with that idea. That was one of the misfortunes of my position.

Q. Are there indictments pending against Brady ?—A. I think there

are.

Q. Have you been subpoenaed as a witness in any such case?—A. No, sir; I am not under subpoena now. The Government, I suppose, does not want to pay me $1.25 a day for an indefinite period. You see at $1.25 a day I have been inclined to give expression to Red-Republican ideas. The conservatism of $100 a day has not extended to me. At that rate a man can afford to be very conservative.

Mr. VAN ALSTYNE. I don't understand that last expression or yours about "Red-Republican ideas."

The WITNESS. I mean that I am, perhaps, rather inclined towards Socialism, Saint Simonism. [Laughter.]

Mr. FYAN. I asked you that question because of the intimation of your attorney, as you understood it, that you had now put yourself out of the way of getting any money by being ready to testify against these defendants.

The WITNESS. My attorney was not giving any opinion at all. He was simply repeating what Reed had stated to him.

Q. Since this recent action in the Kellogg case has Brady admitted that he owes you anything?-A. I have not been in New York for a month.

By Mr. VAN ALSTYNE:

Q. You have not had any interview with Mr. Brady, directly or indirectly-A. No.

Mr. FYAN. But Mr. Walsh has stated the substance of this communication which came from Brady's attorney to his (Walsh's) counsel in New York, and I am asking him whether that has occurred since the disposition of the Kellogg case by the court here.

The WITNESS. No; it has not. It has occurred, though, since I came from Canada. Mr. Grandin was referring to my coming from Canada here. He said that Mr. Reed considered that I was acting badly in coming back; that I should not have returned. Indeed, I would not have gone away but for the gate-way that Mr. Merrick was kind enough to leave open to me by saying that it was not Walsh they wanted, but the papers that he had in his possession. The Attorney-General, who has to take the responsibility, saw that that was a very unfortu nate statement to be made by the counsel for the Government, and therefore he was unwilling to let the matter rest there. Hence the explanation made by the Attorney-General-hence the response from the President of the United States to my last letter-the first response that I have been able to draw from him.

By Mr. FYAN:

Q. Then, as I understand you, the reason why you did not accept