PERSONNEL OF BOARD OF TRUSTEES. Mr. SHREVE. Who are the governing body of this institution? Mr. STIRLING. There is a board of trustees of seven members. Mr. Duehay is the president of the board. Mr. SHREVE. Who are the other members? Mr. STIRLING. There is Justice Charles Robb, who is a member of the Court of Appeals of the District of Columbia; Mr. Heber H. Votaw, the superintendent of prisons of the Department of Justice; Mr. Warren F. Martin, special assistant to the Attorney General; Mr. Samuel Ross, who is a business man in this city, and Colonel W. O. Owens, who is a doctor and an ex-Army officer, and Mr. Holdsworth Gordon, attorney at law. Mr. SHREVE. Does the board of trustees hold regular meetings? Mr. STIRLING. Yes, sir. Mr. TINKHAM. Who has the authority to discharge them? Mr. STIRLING. The President of the United States. Mr. TINKHAM. Only? Mr. STIRLING. He is the appointing power; he appoints the member of the board of trustees. Mr. TINKHAM. I did not mean the members of the board of trustees; I meant the boys. Who has the right to discharge them? Mr. STIRLING. The board of trustees. Mr. TINKHAM. That is after a court has committed them? Mr. STIRLING. Of course; automatically they are discharged when their time expires. Mr. TINKHAM. But before that time the board of trustees has that right? Mr. STIRLING. They have the right to parole. Mr. TINKHAM. Is that exercised freely? REPORTS ON INMATES PAROLED. Mr. TINKHAM. I want to ask this further question. Have you in the past, and do you now, follow these boys up in any way? Mr. STIRLING. Yes; our parole officer is visiting 150 boys at this time in the city. We are receiving reports now from 80 boys each month. They have to make a detailed statement of what they are doing and how much money they are earning. Mr. TINKHAM. I mean after they are paroled, or after their parole expires, do you know anything about these boys so that you can say whether the training has been of advantage to them or not, after their sentence is completed? Mr. STIRLING. Yes. Mr. TINKHAM. What have you to say as to the benefit of that training to them as you have found from your experience? Mr. STIRLING. All I can say is what the boys write back and tell me themselves. I had an experience with one youngster at the institution recently which is an illustration of that. I make frequent inquiries from the boys myself because I want to find out whether they are getting any benefit from their training. This boy has been in the school about a year now. He was committed for four years and a half, and when he has served about one third of his time I am going to recommend that he be sent home. He lives in California. I said to him, "I would like to know whether you have been benefited by the training at the training school." He is a very intelligent boy. He was in high school for two years before he came to the training school. He said, "Mr. Stirling, I would not take $1,000 for the training which I have received here during the time I have been here.' The sentiment of the boys on leaving the school is to the effect that the training received while here has been very helpful to them. Mr. TINKHAM. Have you known of any of the boys being subsequently arrested and convicted and sentenced to jail or prison? Mr. STIRLING. Yes. Mr. TINKHAM. Many of them? Mr. STIRLING. I feel that there are no more of the boys who come to us who, after they are grown up and become men, who are arrested than are gathered up from any other walk of life. Of course, as you know, we have men who go along straight until they are 25, 30, 35 or 40 years of age and then get into trouble. Mr. SHREVE. Is there any inspection of your institution? Mr. STIRLING. Yes. Mr. SHREVE. By whom is that made? Mr. STIRLING. By the Board of Trustees. Mr. SHREVE. At their regular monthly meetings? Mr. STIRLING. Yes, or at any time. FARM. Mr. SHREVE. You produce some things there, do you not? You have a farm? Mr. STIRLING. We have a farm, yes. Mr. SHREVE. What is the value of the products produced there, used by the institution? Mr. STIRLING. They are all used by the institution. Mr. SHREVE. I would like to know the value of the products used by the institution. Mr. STIRLING. Here is the list of farm products we consumed. They are valued at $16,258.53. Mr. SHREVE. Do you sell anything on the outside? Mr. STIRLING. All that we sell are calf hides, rags, and old iron and barrels. Mr. SHREVE. How much do you turn into the Treasury from the sale of that stuff? Mr. STIRLING. Deposited last year in the Treasury $53.31. Mr. STIRLING. Yes, things we use, such as milk, meats, grains, hay, vegetables, and fruit. Mr. SHREVE. That is all consumed by the institution? Mr. STIRLING. Yes, sir. Mr. SHREVE. If this lump sum approrpiation is granted, will you use about the same personnel you have, and at the same pay? Mr. STIRLING. Yes, sir. Mr. SHREVE. There will be no increases? Mr. STIRLING. No increases at all. Statement summarizing and comparing the budget estimates of appropriations for the fiscal year 1925 with the estimates of expenditures for 1924, with respect to the personnel of the executive departments and establishments in the District of Columbia. Salaries, Department of Justice, estimates 1925. 1 This report shows one extra position in grade 4, P. & S. As the act of 1924 shows one position at $3,250, this position is included in this report (P. S. A. grade 4, P. & S., sheet No. 4). 2 As the act of 1924 shows 16 positions at $1,000 and the estimates show 17 positions at $1,000, this report shows one position less in grade 1, C. A. & F. (C: A. & F. 1, sheet No. 7, classified through error on leave without pay when classified). 3 As the act of 1924 shows 27 clerks, class 1, and only 26 clerks, class 1, were included in the estimates, one position is added to grade 3, C. A. & F. (Clerk A. V. Terry not classified through error). The estimate report shows 4 examiners at $1,800. The act of 1924 shows only 3 examiners at $1,800. This report therefore shows one position less in grade 6, C. A. & F. (grade 6, C. A. & F., sheet No. 5, classified through error, E. O. D. May 16, 1923). Total. |