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ment, which has been much less than his, I am for the various railroad bills granting some ten, or New Hampshire, that I have no political hopes or afraid the people will bave no security whatever, fifteen, or twenty millions of acres a year, and aspirations. I retire to private life; but I intend and can get none, against the action of Congress. then go for a graduation policy also. "1 offer a to carry with me the approbation of my conIn this very instance, what do we see? Why, in compromise here. I offer the same measure to science, and the conviction that I have done what 1847, a law was passed to borrow money. We the gentlemen from the new States which they | I believed to be right. I have heretofore voted for were then engaged in a war with Mexico. And have been urging upon Congress for years past, all these bills, upon those high principles which I to establish, or rather to improve the credit of the and I ask them now to adopt it in lieu of these have advocated before this Senate.' Seeing no country, the proceeds of the sales of the public various railroad projects.

chance to get that justice which I believe we ought lands were pledged to the payment of that debt. Mr. RUSK. I would inquire what is the ques- to have, and would have had, under the provisions Here is a bill brought in to give them away, at tion before the Senate?

of the amendment which I had the honor of offerthe rate of some 3,800 acres per mile. There is no The PRESIDENT. The proposition is to give || ing—seeing no prospect, under the present state restraint, then, by the legislation of the country, | permission to the Senator from Pennsylvania to of things, of having the land fund inure as a comto the extent that the public faith may be involved withdraw his amendment.

mon benefit to all the States, I will not act the part by the hypothecation of the proceeds of the public Mr. RUSK. I hope gentlemen will confine of the dog in the manger, I will not refuse to do lands. themselves to that point.

good for evil. I will act upon the principle, that But I will go further than that. I have seen an Mr. UNDERWOOD. I rise to make a remark the day is coming when justice will animate the instance, in my judgment, and in the judgment of or two, in reply to my friend from Missouri. I hearts of the American people. I I act upon the the section of the Union from which I come, in , think it lameniable that, after months of discus- | principle, that truth is omnípotent, and will ultiwhich the action of Congress has not been re- sion, we cannot agree upon the facts, but are dia

mately prevail. I believe that, if the people of strained by constitutional bounds. I am afraid, 1) metrically opposed as to the facts which exist in the Uniied States will take this great subject into therefore, when the Senator asks what security the case, and cannot understand them alike. My consideration, they will see that the old States are we can ofler, that we can offer none.

friend from Missouri says, that if it can be shown entitled to some participation in this great fund; Mr. ATCHISON. I do not propose to offer that any lands are given away, he will go against that the new States are not entitled to all its beneany security, nor do I suppose that a solitary the whole system. I have, over and over again, fits. Although I think I have been pretty harshly Senator from one of the land States on this floor stated that lands are given away by this system. treated in the course of this discussion, in some proposes to offer any security. Not one.

He denied it positively. The question between respects, yet I cheerfully give them what I think Ii has been said time and again, by all the Sen- us is, which of us understands the bill correctly? | they are entitled to, in these bills; hoping, that ators opposed to this bill, or opposed to anything Now let me state the case in such a clear light that when that public reconsideration takes place, which like justice, in any form of a bill which may be nobody can controvert it. This bill says that the I hope may take place, not only the old States, presented, to the new States, that they are giving State of lowa shall receive every alternate section but the new States, will see the propriety of acting away lands. Now, there is not one of these bills for six miles on each side of the line of the road. upon the principle that I have advocated here, and upon the table of any Senator, presented at this or The grant, then, is equal to six sections on one upon which I intend to stand. With these views, at any former session, that has for its object the side; for, if they getaliernate sections for six miles I am ready to vote. giving away of the public lands, for the purpose on both sides, it is equal to six miles on one side. The motion to grant leave to withdraw the of making railroads or other improvements. Let That is clear. Nobody can deny that. Now, amendment of Mr. BRODHEAD was agreed to. the Senator from Virginia propose to strike out suppose that by the private entries which have The PRESIDENT. The question now is, on that clause of this bill which doubles the price of been made, there is left only four sections out of the amendment that has been made in Committee the public lands upon the alternate sections re- which the selections can be made, what is the con- of the Whole. served; and if that is done, then the remainder sequence of that state of things? Instead of having Mr. BRADBURY. I do not propose to detain will be a donation. But until that is done there your whole twelve sections on both sides, out of the Senate, but I happened accidentally to be out is no donation. Besides this, there is a clause in which to select six, you have only four sections; when the vote was taken on the amendment ofthe bill providing for the transportation of the from which, of course, only two can be selected. fered by the Senator from Kentucky, and when troops of the United States, and of the mails of Then the bill says the State may make up that the Senator from lowa (Mr. Dodge) made some the United States. That, I suppose, may be con- deficiency more than six miles from the line of the explanations with regard to the bill. I wish 10 sidered as an equivalent for the right of way road. You can only get the half of four, or two know whether he understands the bill as restraining through the public lands. If the Senator from sections, within six miles. Then the other four the State of Iowa from taking alternate sections, Virginia, or any gentleman, can show that this sections to which you are entitled, you get at a that were reserved by the Government when the bill, or any other land bill now before the Senate, distance greater than six miles from the line of the grant was made for the improvement of Des Moines gives directly or indirectly one cent.—one acre of road. Can the gentleman from Missouri deny that river. land, or the fraction of an acre of land, to the new those four sections, which you take from more Mr. DODGE, of lowa. I so understand it. States, then I am ready to abandon the whole sys-than six miles from the road, are a pure donation Mr. BRADBURY. I do not see any such re

to the State without a cent's equivalent in return? servation in the bill; but Lwish to make a single I do not say that the Senator from Pennsylva- | Why, it is capable of mathematical demonstration, remark in reply to the Senator from Missouri. nia offers this amendment as an expedient to de- that the four sections selected more than six miles He pledged himself that he would abandon the feat this bill; but it will operate as an expedient | from the line of the road are given away absolutely bill, if it could be shown that one acre of the pubto defeat this and all the other land bills. I tell and the United States does not receive a cent from lic lands granted for these purposes was a gift. that Senator-and I believe every gentleman rep them. There is no doubling of the price for those He further remarked that if we reduced the price resenting one of the new States on this floor will four sections at all; you only double the price of alternate sections, it would be a gift; but that tell him ihe same thing that we will vote for that upon the half of the four sections which are within inasmuch as the price of the alternate sections rebill separately, I prefer that bill; I prefer a grad- the six miles. That is, you double the price upon served was increased or doubled, that prevented uation bill, upon almost any principle, to this or the two sections selected within the six miles of the the grant from being a donation; and he proceeded any other land bill. When this bill was first road, and do not double the price of the other four to remark that he was ready to vote for the gradtaken up for discussion, I avowed, and I avow sections, selected at a distance of more than six uation bill presented by the honorable Senator now, that you are giving nothing to the new States. miles from the road.

from Pennsylvania, if it were brought forward as You are conferring no direct favor on the State of - Mr. DOWNS. Suppose you sold two sections, a separate proposition. That graduation bill reMissouri or the State of Iowa by these grants. instead of one before, would not that be doubling? | duces the price of the alternate sections not only They have a moral influence, and a moral influence A SENATOR. It is dinner-time.

to the amount which they now are, but to a much alone, on our own people, inducing them to step Mr. UNDERWOOD. Some gentlemen say less amount than that now asked for them. The forward and advance their money for the construc- they want their dinners; and I dislike, just upon declaration of the Senator was, that such a reduction of these roads. This is all the influence, all the eve of the vote, to detain them. I am sorry tion would constitute this grant a gift; and in that the effect they have. We do not draw upon the that we do not agree as to the facts of the bill. event, he said he would go against the bill. BeTreasury of ihe United States for one ceni, or for When there are only four sections within six miles lieving that he will vote, as he pledged the Senator one acre of land, for which we do not pay an of each side of the road, the Government is en- from Pennsylvania that he would, for a bill for equivalent. I trust that gentlemen will change tilled to one half, and the State to the other half. the reduction of the price of the public lands, we their phraseology somewhat when they speak of The Government reserves two sections, and the have a right to claim that he will vote against this granting lands or of donating lands to the new State two sections, within six miles; and then, in bill. I think he stands so pledged. States. I trust that my friend from Virginia par the case supposed, if the State makes up the defi- The amendment made in Committee of the ticularly will change his phraseology, or demon- || ciency of four sections, from lands lying more than Whole was agreed to by the Senate. strate that it is a gift.

six miles from the road, beyond the extent of the Mr. BELL. Some of my friends have said Mr. BRODHEAD. My friend from Tennes- two sections taken within six miles of the road, it that I would be acting somewhat inconsistently if see asked me, what security we have that Con- is a perfect and pure donation.

I voted for this bill. I do not propose now to go gress will not contrive to donate and give away Now a word or two to my constituents, and then into an explanation of the grants. Perhaps some ihese lands after we shall adopt a graduating pol- I shall have done with this subject forever, I think. other occasion will arise when I can do so. I icy? In answer to that question, I have only to I want to say to them, through the Senate, that my said in my remarks on this subject, that whatever say that we have this security: We deprive the liberal (as I'think) and enlarged idea of duty, un- might be the fate of the amendment, I would give advocates of this and the other land bills of the der the Constitution of the country, has carried my vote for the bill. I think I can reconcile it principal argument they advance in favor of them. me for internal improvements upon great national with the vote I have given for similar bills heretoThey say they desire to induce the sale and settle principles. I think we have the whole control of fore; but if the Senate will allow me to ask the ment of the public lands We adopt the policy; this subject. Although I am not sure but the Senator from Illinois (Mr. Douglas) one question and if, to carry it out, we adopt a graduation sys. vote, which I shall give in favor of this bill, will before they vote, I shall be very much obliged to tem, it will be a substitute for what they propose. subject me to a very severe responsibility at home, them. It is an explanation with regard to the You cannot have both. As a representative of || I shall not shrink from it; for I have been accus- vote upon a bill for an appropriation to Alabama one of the old States, I beg leave to say that I tomed to meet responsibility. All its terrors have and Mississippi of public lands connected with cannot go for both these measures

I cannot go no dread for me. I may say with my friend from the Illinois railroad; and this I connect (to show


to it.

that I am not out of order altogether in my re- Mr. BELL. That is the precise way in which it; for there was a time when I anticipated bet. marks on this occasion) with the grounds which I understood the honorable Senator.

ler results. I assume, in part, for voting for this bill in favor Mr. DAVIS. I was desirous of saying some- Bui, sir, while I am throwing out these sugges. of Iowa and other new States, as I have voted thing upon this subject, but I do not propose do- tions--and I do not mean to continue them-lam for Illinois, for the Southern States, Mississippi, ing so ihis evening, and relinquish my purpose willing to vote for any of these enterprizes that and Alabama, and would have voted for Michi- because of the state of my health. But I wish, shall promote the public good, leaving each to gan and Wisconsin, had they been up, and do ex- beture the vote is taken, to put myself in a posi- stand upon its own merits.

But I am rather pect to vote for them, and as I would have voted cion so that I may not be hereafter deemed incon- grieved ihat gentlemen should rise here and repudifor appropriations made in behaif of the public sistent in whatever course I may pursue in regard ate the idea that they are receiving any benefit from improvements in the State of Indiana.

I have seen it stated that there are now them; holding out the idea, while they insist on Now, sir, what I wish to state is, that when bills before the two Houses of Congress for roads having the land, that nothing is bestowed. It that bill was up two sessions ago, I assumed the to be constructed by a grant of alternate sections seems to me to be a false assumption, and to smack same principle in argument that I did the other through the public lands, sufficient in number and a liule of ingratitude. I probably shall give my day, and that was, that if there be anything in sufficient in amount io take some 30,000,000 vote for this bill; but I wish to say one word more the principle of Congress having the power to acres of the public lands to satisfy the proposed ! in regard to it, and then I shall have done. give a portion of this estate to improve the re- grants.

There is one portion of is, of which I approre mainder of it, they could give lands lying in Illi- If I vote for this bill-and I believe I have

very much; and there is another portion that is nois, in Mississippi, or in Alabama, io construct generally voted for measures of this character noi, to my mind, so plainly of public utility. I a railroad through Kentucky and Tennessee; that when they have appeared to be sanctioned by a do not see why it is expedient or neressary that the principle was the same, ir by connecting these sound discretion and by a promise of usefulness- there should be a road to run parallel with the two roads you improve the whole body of the I do not wish that it shall be hereafter under Mississippi river, unless the navigation and inpublic domain on each extremity, or wherever it stood that I commit myself to a system like that; , provements of that river are to be abandoned. exists on the line of the railroad. And I wanted I do not wish it to be understood ihat I bind my-Now, I do not suppose that the building of this to state, that when the bill appropriating some self by any obligation to vote for these various road involves that question. I take it that the Mis. 4,000,000 or 5,000,000 of acres, I presume, to measures as they may be successively presented sissippi river is to go on and be a public highway, Alabama, Mississippi, and Hlinnis was up, i for the consideration of Congress; for when we and ihat we are still to be asked to make grants made the proposition directly that a fair, ratable come to a point like that, where thirty millions, | for its improvement. If we are, then I do not see proportion of ihe lands proposed to be appropria- or any great quantity, be it greater or less, of the my way clear to vote for a road which runs par. ied by that bill to those States, should be applied, public lands is to be disposed of by bills of this allel, or nearly parallel, with the river. But still, when sold by them, to the completion of the con- character, it strikes me that it is a proposition of || luwa thinks it ought to have the privilege of fixng necting link between Cairo, at the mouth of the

a very grave import, that it deserves the very de- these roads as it pleases. If it had been content Ohio, and the southern boundary of Tennessee, liberate consideration of Congress, and that it to take a little less, to run its road from the river going through a part of Tennessee and Kentucky; | should be understood in all its bearings. One of | into the interior, opening new sources of combut I was advised by the friends of the measure- the objections which I ofrenest hear raised here merce, I should be very well satisfied with it. I I had always been in favor of liberal appropria- | -is the protest which is made in terms of do not know whether 1 am perfectly satisfied in tions of the public lands to the new States—that fervent expostulation against speculators. They my own mind, whether the objection I now raise if I pressed my amendment, it would inevitably are everywhere denounced in the halls of Con- is not such as ought to induce me to vote against defeat the whole measure. Upon consultation gress, as persons the most prejudicial and injurious the bill; but I wish to throw out these ideas bewith the Senator from Minois-and this is the to the public interests with regard to the public fore 1 vote, that I may not, for one, be considered point to which I wish to call his attention and lands. Well, what do we see occurring here as committed to this immense system in prospect, upon which I want his statement-he said to me among those who raise this objection? One of the by voting for this bill. that his judgment was the same with regard to first grants, the entering wedge of this great sys- Mr. DOUGLAS. I have but a word to say. I pressing my amendment; but he thoughi that a tem, "is made to the State of Minois, of some cannot understand these gentlemen who argue to proper and fair construction of the bill, then, as 3,000,000 acres, or perhaps a little short of that; us that the alternate sections, which are reserved I had the impression until recently, did make the and now we are advised, by gentlemen in their to the United States, will not be worth $2 50 per lands or the proceeds of them liable to be appro- places here, that it is arranged to pass that proper acre, while at the same time they turn round in priated ratably, according to the terms of that iy out of the hands of the State of Illinois into their arguments and charge that these large grants act, for the construction of the road through Ten- the hands of a private company; so that a com- to us for making railroads are worth $10 per aere. nessee and Kentucky. I must be mistaken in that pany of speculaiors, if you please, shall become Mr. DAVIS. I hope the Senator does not mean impression, because, on looking over the bill, I do ihe possessors of 3,000,000 acres of land in the to intimate that I said any such thing. noi see any clear pretext for stating that the lands State of Illinois.

Mr. DOUGLAS. No, sir; I only say that those appropriated in Illinois should be thus applied; Again: it is deprecated, and has been deprecated who act with him argue thus. For instance, the but I rather think the lands appropriated to Mis- this morning in very solemn and apparently anx- Senator from Georgia (Mr. Dawson) the other sissippi and Alabama do bear that construction. ious terms, that a State should not be a possessor day, in an argument against the Illinois bill, went What I want now, is for the honorable Senator of public lands within a State; and yei, sir, it is on to prove that the 2,700,000 acres granted to Ilto state what is his recollection of that conversa- the very gist of every one of these measures that a linois were worth twenty odd millions of dollars; tion, and of his impression at that time as to the State should be the owner of the public lands, and and he went on to prove that every acre of land proper construction of that act, in justice to my- become the competitor of the United States in the granted by that act of Congress to the State to aid sell for having forborne to press that amendment, sale of public lands; and I notice when a State is to in making the road, would be worth ten dollars in although I was expected to do so, by some friends profit by it, delay of sale constitutes no objection. consequence of the making of the road; and efter ofthat connecting link in Tennessee and Kentucky. Then, again, we are really treated with some de- summing up these enormous figures against Illi

Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not a distinct recol- gree of scorn and contempt when we suggest that nois, and Alabama, and Mississippi, to show how lection of the conversation to which the Senator this is a benefit to the States; for a gentleman has many millions these three States had made ont of from Tennessee refers, although I have a very just taken his seat who says that we give nothing the Federal Government by getting this quantity strong impression upon my mind of having had to the States. Does not Illinois get the land and of land, he turned round and said the Government my attention called to that provision of the bill by | land owned by the Unied States ? And does not lands are not one farthing enhanced in value. How some one-probably the Senator from Tennes- Illinois propose to make a railroad out of the land ? is it then? If you benefit Illinois twenty odd milsee—and of the impression resting upon my mind And are not all these schemes founded on the idea lions, do you not benefit the United States twenty at that time. The Illinois bill, when written by that money and funds are to be raised out of the odd millions more, by reserving the alternate seer myself, only extended to the State of Illinois, and lunds by which the enterprize is to be carried into tions to yourselves which are to be enhanced in did not contemplate the construction of any road effect? Nobody disputes this; und is this nothing? value by the construction of the road? I think if beyond the limits of that State. When an amend- I Can the money be obtained or the road made with- you benefit us that much, you benefit yourselves ment was offered-I think by the present presi- | out the land? But the gentleman assumes, because to the same extent. I care not whether it is twen. ding officer of the body-to extend that road from he puts down upon paper that the alternate sec- ty-one millions, or ten millions, or five millions, the mouth of the Ohio to Mobile, and to grant to tions reserved to the United States shall not be or how much it is. You must admit either that the States of Mississippi and Alabama lands on sold for less than $2 50 per acre, that the conse- you have enhanced the value of the public domain the same condition, to the same extent, and with quence is, that the United States realize just as belonging to the Government of the Uniteu States the same privileges as the other road, it did not much funds as if they had parted with none of the by the grant, or else that these lands granted to occur to me that that language would make any land. Now, will the Senaior from Missouri, will grant for making a road in Tennessee and Ken- | the Senator from Illinois, will any of the gentle- || that one rule of computation prevails when you

us were worth but $1 25 per acre. But it seems tucky, but simply be confined to Mississippi and men who take the benefit of these lands guarantee count the advantages of the State, and a ditierAlabama. At a subsequent period, my attention to the United States $2 50 per acre? Will they was called to the language used in the amendment, put a provision in the bill that the United States tages to the United States. My opinion is that the

ent one prevails when you compute the advanand I confess it was my impression then, and it is shall realize that sum? That is the precise point Senator from Georgia made an over-estimate when yet, that the language employed in it does not bear of difficulty that I have in the whole matter. he put them at $10 per acre. My opinion is, that the construction that the lands were to be selected All the assumption and all the reasoning is found- when you put them at $2 50, it is an under-estiin Mississippi and Alabama, not only for a road ed upon the idea that the United States are, with mate; and, therefore, that it is a fair argument to in those States, but for one from the line of the certainty, to realize $2 50 per acre for these lands. assume that the one half reserved to the United State of Mississippi up to the mouth of the Ohio If you go to past experience, I think the matter States is worth more than the whole of the lands struction of that language, although at the time the States, when they have granted alternate sections, and if the road should not be constructed. That

would have been if the grant had oot been made, measure was brought forward, it had never occur- have realized nothing but the minimum price is the view we take; and when we say that yine red to me that any such construction could be put That is the result of my observation in relation to are giving us nothing, we do not mean that the upon it,

it, and I confess myself disappointed in regard to grant is not beneficial to us; but we assert that di



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is also beneficial to the Government of the United that running a railroad through a section of coun- and not an acre of land, I believe, is to be sold, States. Is it any argument against it, that it ben- try, has a tendency to increase the value of lands. until the road is made; and after the road is made, efits us while it benefits you to the same extent ? And if it were not a fact that the quantity of land the company is to have entire control of the land. That is the only point on which we base this. brought into the market is immensely increased That I understand to be the nature of the contract

One word about our transferring these lands to every year; and if it were not that the territory between the State of Illinois and the company to a company. I did not suppose it was a matter of exposed to sale was not so vastly extended, it which she has granted these lands. I believe I any consequence to the public, or to the Govern- would have a very serious influence. But so long am correct in this. If I am not, I should like to ment of the United States, whether the State of as there is good land to be obtained in any quan- be put right. Illinois sold these lands and made the road her- ' tities, in portions of the country where it is desir- Mr. SHIELDS. The land is to be sold as the self, or whether she gave them to a company, to able to settle, at the minimum price, so long will road progresses. The land still belongs to the make the road by disposing of the lands, provided the price of land be kept down. There may be State, and is only given to the company condithat we comply with our contract with the Gov-il particular places and particular points, having a tionally, and is to be appropriated gradually for ernment-provided that we make the road within value from contingent causes, that will command the construction of the road, and for no other purthe time specified, and carry the mails as we agreed | larger prices. But the general price of land for pose. to do—and provided we comply with all the stipu- agricultural purposes, according to our experience, Mr. RHETT. But if they construct the road, lations which you choose to impose. But I 'in- does not justify any hopes of extravagant prices, do they not get the land? Do they not get it as tend to show to the Senator from Massachusetts even where improvements go.

they go along, in sections? Do they not then apthat there is a wide distinction between our pass- I have made no complaint of the State of Hi- propriate the land, and keep it as long as they ing an act of Congress vesting the titles of lands nois for undertaking to make her railroad through choose? lying in the State of Illinois, in the State of Massa- | a company. I think she is a little unjust towards Mr. SHIELDS. They receive the land as they chusetts, or in any other State, and giving the title us, if she condemns the United States for retard

go on with the work. to the Illinois Legislature, and allowing that State ing settlements by sales at the minimum price for Mr. RHETT. But they get the land, and can to provide for the making of the road. When settlement, and when the lands are given to her, use it, and keep it in markei as long as they please. you give lands to the States within which they lie holds them up for higher prices, or puts them into Mr. SHIELDS. The Senator is mistaken in for the purpose of making a road, the State will the hands of private companies, raising expecta- one thing. They are bound to sell the land. make such arrangements with regard to taxation-| tions that they, in time, may realize more. She | They cannot retain it. There are terms imposed with regard to the time for selling the lands—with insists that we shall encourage settlement; but on them for the construction of the road. "The regard to the construction of the road—with regard takes to herself the right to speculate. She disap- land is given to them for that purpose. They to preëmption rights and settlement--as for itself proves of individual proprietors, if they are spec- cannot speculate upon it, and hold it up. each State shall deem wise and proper with ref- ulators or corporations, as prejudicial to her inter- Mr. RHETT. That is only going round the erence to its own interests; but if Congress here ests, if they buy of the United States; but when

path. The company get the land for making the makes a grant of land to a foreign corporation, the they buy of her, it is quite a different matter, and road; and when they get it, they can hold it as long State has no such power over that corporation to quiie a wholesome good policy, though it may not as they please. They are not bound to convert the provide these conditions to provide for the pro- | promote settlement. The practice of the United land into money within any specified time. That iection of its own citizens. There is the great | States to hold land at $1 25 per acre is oppressive; || is the practical operation of it; and so I understood point of distinction. The distinction we have is while Illinois may hold it at twice that, without from a certain gentleman with whom I conversed in accordance with State-rights. We wish to objection. I placed these conditions in contrast

on the subject. reserve to each of the States the power to protect | with each other. This is all I intended; and let Now, what I wish to say is this : that the posiits own interests against any of these specula- the argument pass for what it is worth. It is tion of the Senator from Georgia was based upon tions. If Minois has made a bad contract, she growing late, and I will not detain the Senate. the fact that this company in Mlinois had the power has only to blame herself. She cannot blame Mr. RHETT. Mr. President, I wish to say of holding lands there, and that the practical effect the Federal Government. We are content with but a few words in defense of the Senator from

of the arrangement made with the State of Illinois the contract which we have made, and so ought Georgia, [Mr. Dawson,] who is not now here. that the company could hold these lands as you to be content, because you will find that we Neither of the Senators from that State is now on

long as it pleased, and realize from them what it will make the road which we stipulated to make this floor, I think the Senator from Ilinois (Mr. | pleased. The company estimated these lands to within half the time you allowed us for making it. Douglas) has not to-day done, and I think the be worth, to it, $10 per acre; and on that supposiIf we give you the road in five years instead of ten Senator from Michigan (Mr. Cass] did not yes- tion the Senator from Georgia came forward, and years, as was stipulated, we think it should not terday do, entire justice to that Senator. I under- said that this company expected to realize that be a matter of complaint urged against us; and if | stand his position to be this: that, according to amount according to its own statement. And that we make more money out of it than you expected, the statement of the company to which the State it will do it, appears to be very reasonable. I it ought not to be any objection when you make of Illinois had turned over all her lands, they ex- have no doubt it will be done. It may take some just as much as we do; and when you, therefore, i pected to realize $10 per acre on the lands received time to accomplish it, but it will eventually be have been benefited more than you expected to be by them. They had organized their company done. I think, therefore, that the Senator from when you made the grant.

upon that supposition, and the Senator from Geor- Georgia, in his view of it, steers entirely clear of Mr. DAVIS. Mr. President, I am not aware gia took it as being a fact, and therefore thought the position taken by the Senator from Illinois. of having expressed any opinion, or entertained it a fair position for argument before the Senate. The Senator from Georgia did not say that the any sentiment which would authorize the con- Is it not so? The Senator from Georgia did not United States would not realize that amount from struction that I urged any such argument as the mean to say that alternate sections may not ap- their lands; but he said that if you allowed any Senator suggests several persons have urged—that preciate up to the amount of double the previous proprietor of lands, either a company or a State, is, that the lands granted to Illinois are worth $10 | price, when they were capable of being brought to hold them as long as it pleased, it could appreper acre.

into market at any time, and as soon as purchasers ciate them up to $10 per acre. That is all he did Mr. DOUGLAS. I said that the Senator from wanted them; but he intended to say that the State

It seems to me that there is no incompatGeorgia, (Mr. Dawson, who was acting with of Illinois, by making a contract by which she libility between the position taken by the Senator the Senator from Massachusetts against the bill, turned over these lands to a company, to be held from Georgia, and that taken by the Senator from urged it.

by them indefinitely, and without any limitation Minois. Mr. DAVIS. I am not acting against the bill. whatever, gave to the company the power of real- The bill was then ordered to be engrossed and I was addressing the Senate on the policy gener- || izing. $10 per acre on these lands. That was his read a third time. ally. I announced that I intended to vote for the position; and does anybody doubt but that that On motion, the Senate adjourned. bill. But I wish the whole subject to be spread position is true ? before the Senate. I wish now to say, that I When the proposition was made here the other think there is no inconsiderable share of delusion | day, that lands should be given to the old States, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. on this subject; and that the hopes and expecta- to be located in the new States, did not my friend

TUESDAY, March 16, 1852. tions which are put forth in regard to these lands from Iowa [Mr. Dodge) speak of it in terms of are destined to be disappointed. That there is to indignation? Why, he nearly looked, if he did

The House met at twelve o'clock, m. Prayer be no such sum realized as was suggested by the not entirely use, the word “ Nullification." I felt i by the Rev. Littleton F. MORGAN. Senator from Georgia, is quite apparent, unless pretty sure that he would almost favor nullifica- The Journal of yesterday was read and approved. there is a change in the state of things. All our tion to prevent it. If I understood his views and The SPEAKER stated, as the first business in experience leads us to a different conclusion from temper on that subject, he would not allow the old order, the reception of reports from the Committhat of the honorable Senator from Georgia. All our States to have a great mass of land in Iowa, to be tee on Public Lands. experience shows us, that no such hopes and no controlled by them, and kept out of market just Mr. HOUSTON moved that the rules be sussuch expectations have hitherto been realized; and so long as they pleased for speculating purposes. I pended, and that the House resolve itself into the that is what makes medoubt very much whether we Yet, what has the State of Illinois done? What Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union, realize even the $2 50 per acre. "Perhaps the Sena- | do these new States do, which thus rebuke with for the purpose of taking up the deficiency bill. tor (Mr. Douglas) participates in the same doubt, such force and such anger, the proposition to con

Mr. ALLISON asked the unanimous consent of as he takes no notice of the guarantee which I solidate large masses of land in them, beyond the House to introduce a bill, of which previous proposed of $2 50 per acre. I do not mean to what are needed by their settlers ? Illinois has notice had been given. deny the proposition which the Senator states, made a contract with a company to build the road, Mr. HOUSTON. I will say to the gentleman


taken up.

from Pennsylvania, that I have had at least a to transact the public business, the House did con- trict of Columbia and the Territories, and the coast. dozen applications from gentlemen having similar fine itself literally to the rule, because it found it wise slave trade. Thosecwho sustain the comprorequests to prefer to the House. The gentleman utterly impossible to debate the real question under mise, he maintained, vote to continue the siave knows the very great difficulty I have had in ar- consideration if it did not so confine itself. It will trade; and as to a fugitive slave, the people in the riving at the point which I have now reached, and be impossible hereafter to debate any matter of States are no more bound to seize and deliver him I hope, therefore, he will withdraw his request, public business whatsoever, unless upon some bill to the person claiming to be his owner, than they and let us go into the Committee of the Whole on like this the House will confine itself within ils are to deliver up a runaway horse in the streets, the state of the Union, and take up the deficiency rules.

He denied the constitutional right to the Federal bill.

Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. This question is Government to legislate for the maintenance of Mr. ALLISON. Very well, sir. I will not not debatable.

slavery. The curses, and blessings if there be press my request.

The CHAIRMAN. The question is not de- any, of it, belong to the South, and with which Mr. CHANDLER. I have a similar request batable; but if the gentleman' from New York the North wish to have nothing to do, and should to make; but, under the circumstances, I will with- wishes to get the sense of the committee, he can not be required to sustain the burdens in connechold it,

take an appeal from the decision of the Chair. tion with it. Mr. ORR. I was desirous of making a report Mr. BROOKS. I feel it my duty, from the Mr. JACKSON next obtained the floor. He or two from the Committee on Public Lands, but i imperious necessity of transacting the public busi- defended his own course and the State-Rights party I have no objection to withhold them. ness, to take an appeal.

of the State of Georgia, one of whose representaMr. COBB. I have no objection to the mo- Mr. EVANS. "I am perfectly aware that the tives, he said, he had the honor to be. If the pen. tion of my colleague, if it is understood that, as a Chair has decided in conformity with what has ple who sent him to Congress are disunionists, the matter of course, the deficiency bill will come up latterly been the practice of the House.

inference is that he had forgotton his duty to his in the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Mr. JONES. 'li is not in order to debate the country, and is a disunionist; but in his political Union. appeal.

course of twenty years he had never felt ihe first Mr. HOUSTON. It is by universal consent The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Mary- | desire to see the Union of his country dissolved. agreed, I believe, that the deficiency bill should be land is out of order in debating this question. The | Although a Union man, according to a strict con

Chair will state the question. The gentleman from struction of the Constitution, he had always been Mr. COBB. Very well, sir. Then I have no New York (Mr. Brooks) raises the point of order a Democrat; and he would permit no constitutional objection to my colleague's motion.

that the gentlemen from Georgia and Virginia are Union man, or Southern man to cut him off from The question was then taken on Mr. Houston's out of order in debating any other proposition than his connection with the Democratic party. motion, and it was agreed to. the deficiency bill, now before the committee.

[These speeches will be found in the Appendix.] So the rules were suspended, and the House re- The Chair has decided the gentlemen from Geor- Mr. APPLETON, of Maine, here obtained the solved itself into the Committee of the Whole on gia and Virginia to be in order, in conformity with

floor, but yielded to the state of the Union, (Mr. Meade in the chair.) the practice heretofore observed by the committee.

Mr. ORR, who moved that the committee rise; THE DEFICIENCY BILL.

From that decision the gentleman from New York which motion was agreed to. On motion by Mr. HOUSTON, the committee appeals, and the question now is, “Shall the de

The committee accordingly rose, and the Speakcision of the Chair stand as the judgment of the proceeded to consider House bill No. 207, “ 10

er having resumed the chair, the chairman of the committee?" supply deficiencies in the appropriations for the

committee reported that the Committee of the

Mr. EVANS. I respectfully call the attention Whole on the state of the Union had had the service of the fiscal year ending the 30th of June,

of the Chair to the noie to the second rule, and 1852.”

Union generally under consideration, and particu. also to the 35th rule. I think if the Chair conMr. HILLYER obtained the floor and said: sults those rules, he will not decide me to be out of ll farly House bill No. 207, and had come to no CO2Mr. Chairman, I desire to call the attention of

clusion thereon. order in debating this appeal. committee to a remark made by the gentleman from The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman is out of

PROPOSITION TO CLOSE DEBATE. Virginia, (Mr. McMullin, some weeks ago, in re

order, in the opinion of the Chair. He can take Mr. HOUSTON. I desire to offer to the House ply to the gentleman from Florida, (Mr. Cabell,)

an appeal from that decision, if he desires it. in which the honorable gentleman from Virginia

a resolution to terminate debate upon the bill which took occasion to say of the Union party of Geor- | there is one already pending.

Mr. EVANS. I cannot take an appeal, for has been under discussion to-day. It must be evi

dent to the House that all of the debate which is gia, that it was composed of factions of all parties, Mr. HOUSTOŃ. The gentleman from New pertinent to the propositions contained in this bill and he saw proper to apply to that honorable and

York has taken an appeal from the decision of the must be had under the five-minutes rule, or else ve patriotic association, the term “ piebald." Mr. MCMULLIN, (interrupting.) I did use

Chair; does the Chair decide that that appeal is must change the mode of speaking. Not a word,

not debatable? It seems to me that if there are the word attributed to me by the honorable gentle | any cases in which appeals are debatable, this is

not an allusion has been made to-day to the bill man, but I used it under the excitement of the mo

under consideration. I propose, therefore, a resoclearly one of them. I intended nothing disrespectful to that

lution terminating debate on it to-morrow at four

The CHAIRMAN. The Chair decides that o'clock; and on Thursday we can carry on the party; for the gentleman is, perhaps, not aware

the appeal is not debatable. Is an appeal taken ihat I acted and cooperated with it during the last

five minutes debate, and finish up the speaking, from that decision?

Mr. EVANS. Í do not intend to object to this Congress.

Mr. HOUSTON. You cannot pile appeal on But, sír, with the permission of the gentleman appeal.

resolution, but I do trust that upon a bill of such from Georgia, I will make one further remark, for

importance gentlemen of the House will see the

Mr. BROOKS. I must ask for tellers on my I do not expect to trespass upon the House again. I appeal.

necessity of its being debated. I did feel somewhat sensitive upon the subject of

The SPEAKER. Gentlemen must be aware the Union party,

Tellers were ordered, and Messrs. CHANDLER that this is not a debatable question.
and Beale appointed,

Mr. HOUSTON. I want to suggest to my Mr. BROOKS. I rise to a point of order. If the House chooses to permit this latitude of debate sion of the Chair stand as the judgment of the com

The question was then taken, “Shall the deci- friend from Maryland (Mr. Evans) the fact that to the delay of the public business, so be it; but I

we shall have no debate upon the merits of the mittee?" and it was decided in the affirmative, bill, in all probability, until we have the five-min: feel it my duty to make the point of order. I ask for the reading of the 31st rule. ayes 79, noes 42.

utes rule, and I want to get to the debate upon !!

So the decision of the Chair was sustained, and Mr. MCMULLIN. I would inquire of the

in that way. These speeches have no relation to the remarks of the gentlemen from Georgia and gentleman from New York, whether he makes his

the bill whatever, or to its provisions. Virginia were ruled to be in order. point of order on the gentieman from Georgia or

Mr. EVANS. It is true, as the gentleman on myself?

Mr. HILLYER resumed his remarks. He had states, that the debate here has been upon every Mr. BROOKS. On both of you.

no objection to excuse the gentleman from Vir: thing inappropriate to the subject under considera: The Clerk then read the 31st rule, as follows:

ginia; but the same principles and opinions had tion, and I think that it is a warning to the House " When any member is about to speak in debate, or de

been avowed by others with reference to the Union to enforce its rules. liver any matter to the House, he shall rise from his seat,

party of Georgia. He was proud to say this day, Mr. HOUSTON. We have tried that. and respectiully address himself to “Mr. Speaker;' and shali on this floor, that, instead of being composed of Mr. EVANS. I do not wish to speak against contine bimself to the question under debate, and avoid factions of all parties, from the mountains to the the wishes of the House, and if it is the sense of personality.”

seaboard, and all along the line, there is not in it the House that I shall not say anything I will sit Mr. BROOKS. Now, with the greatest respect one Abolitionist, not one Free-soiler, not one man down. for both of the gentlemen opposite, but from the for a tariff for protection, and, so far as he knew Mr. ORR. I wish to make a modification of imperious necessity of transacting the public busi- and believed, there was not one bank man, not the resolution. ness, I make this point of order, that in a debate one internal improvement man; but all within that Mr. EVANS. I will give you an opportuon the deficiency bill, it is not in order to discuss mighty host are for a strict construction of the nity: matters relative to party.

Constitution, and for the sovereign rights of the The SPEAKER. Debate is not in order. The CHAIRMAN. 'The Chair decides that the States. rule, construed literally, would preclude the re

Mr. EVANS. I am proceeding by unanimous

He then vindicated the Union party of Georgia, consent, if not I will take my seal. marks of the gentlemen from Georgia and Vir- showing the causes which led to its formation, ginia; but under the uniform practice of the House, which was from necessity, founded in patriotism, 1 is asking that'ıhe rules be enforced, I hope he will

Mr. KING, of New York. If the gentleman the Chair cannot now undertake to rule them out and under circumstances beyond their control; and observe them himself. I object to the discussion. of order; and therefore rules the gentleman to be towards the conclusion of his remarks, he favored Mr. POLK. Is it proper to ask the chairman of in order.

the sending of delegates to the Baltimore ConvenMr. BROOKS. With the permission of the tion, conceiving that the principles of the Demo

the Committee of Ways and Means a question?

The SPEAKER. It can be done only by upanChair, I will remark that I am well aware the Chair cratic party are coëvil with those on which our imous consent. has decided according to the practice of the House Government is established. this session; but during the last Congress, in three

Mr. POLK. I merely wish to ask him the

Mr. GIDDINGS next addressed the committee or four cases, when it was imperiously necessary ll against the fugitive slave law, slavery in the Dis

amount of the deficiency which this bill proposti to appropriate.


Mr. HOUSTON. It is about $3,000,000.

Mr. POLK. Then I ask the chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means, if he desires this House to consider, under the five-minutes rule, a proposition appropriating $3,000,000 ?

Mr. HOUSTON. I will reply to the gentleman from Tennessee. I suppose the House will allow me to do so. If any legitimate debate had been proposed upon this bill, I should not have asked a termination of it. As long as gentlemen should legitimately debate the provisions of the bill, I would not propose to stop it. The gentleman talks of five minutes. That is the only legitimate debate that I expect to have, and I want as much time to appropriate to five minutes debate as possible.

Mr. POLK. I hope that the House will indulge
Mr. STUART. I cannot, and I object.

The SPEAKER. Debate cannot be had, except by unanimous consent.

Mr. POLK. I wish to ask another question.

Mr. ORR. I propose to amend, by striking out “ four o'clock," and insert “Saturday, at three o'clock."

Mr. EVANS. I move to amend the amendment, so as to provide that all debate not upon the merits of the question, after to-morrow at two o'clock, shall be out of order. (Laughter.)

Mr. CLEVELAND. I move the House adjourn.

The question was taken, and the motion was agreed to.

So the House adjourned until to-morrow at twelve o'clock.

me a moment.

NOTICE OF A BILL. Mr. THOMAS M. HOWE gave notice that he would, on to-morrow, or some subsequent day, ask leave to bring in a bill granting to the State of Pennsylvania 1,000,000 acres of the public lands to aid in the construction of the Pittsburg, Kittanning, and Warren railroad.

PETITIONS, &c. The following petitions, memorials, &c., were presented under the rule, and referred to the appropriate committees :

By Mr. CURTIS: The petition of Benjamin Betford, an assistant marshal in Erie county, Pennsylvania, praying for extra compensation in taking the censtis.

Also, a petition of like import of Wm. Campbell, assistant marshal of Jefferson county, Pennsylvania.

By Mr. AVERETT: The petition of citizens of Henry county, Virginia, against the extension of the Woodworth patent for planing boards, &c.

By Mr. ÅSHE: Papers in relation to the claim of Lieutenant Edward Cantwell, for property lost during the war with Mexico,

By Mr. GORMAN: The memorial of assistant marshals of Morgan county, in the State of Indiana, praying additional compensation for taking the census.

Also, the petition of inhabitants of the town of Lawrenceburg, in the State of Indiana, praying the enactment of a law for the organization of companies of military colonists, to be settled in the western territories for the protection of thejnhabitants against Indian aggressions.

Also, additional papers in relation to the claim of James W. Carter against the Post Office Department.

By Mr. JENKINS: The petition of the inhabitants of the city of Utica, New York, for the speedy passage of a law to protect American inventors.

By Mr. SCHOONMAKER: The petition and accompaaying papers of the heirs of Captain Frederick Schoonmaker. of New York, for the payment of their claim as such heirs against the United States for moneys paid and services rendered in the war of the Revolution.

By Mr. LANDRY : The memorial of the New Orleans Beamen's Home Association.

Also, the petition of citizens of New Orleans, creditors of the late Republic of Texas.

Also, the memorial of Augustus S. Phelps, of Louisiana, administrator of the estate of Albert G. Phelps, praying Congress for relief.

By Mr. DOTY: The memorial of the Legislature of Wisconsin in favor of a mail route from Waukesha to Fond du Lac.

By Mr. BOWNE: The petition of Frederick Morris, Wm. M. Muchmore, and Francis B. Spinola, a committee on the part of the Common Council of Brooklyn, New York, praying the release of Smith O'Brien and his companions

By Mr. JONES, of Pennsylvania: Resolutions of the Legislature of Pennsylvania in relation to the release of Smith O'Brien and his associates.

Also, resolutions of the Legislature of Pennsylvania recommending a navy-yard, depôt, and dry dock on the lakes.

By Mr. McMULLIN: The memorial of John J. Winn, assistant marshal of Albemarle county, in the State of Virginia, praying additional compensation for taking the cenSus.

By Mr. CHURCH WELL: The petition of F. M. Pryor, assistant marshal for Franklin county,

Tennessee, praying extra compensation for taking the Seventh Census.

By Mr. BROWN, of Mississippi : The petition of Mo. nette & Carvu, of Mississippi, praying compensation for surveying done by them for the United States in the year 1841.

By Mr. DAVIS, of Indiana: The petition of Jared C. Joncelyn, United States assistant marshal for Floyd county,

Indiana, praying extra compensation for taking the Seventh the Senate the petition of A. Boyd, praying the

reimbursement of certain expenses incurred by
By Mr. TUCK: The memorial of Ichabod Goodwin,
James N. Tarlton, and others, of Portsmouth, New Hamp-

him in taking the census in the parish of Iberville, shire, in favor of granting aid to the Collius's line of steam- Louisiana. In presenting this petition, I wish to ships.

say, that this individual performed the duty of By Mr. JONES, of New York: The memorial of 107

taking the census under the most trying circumcitizens of Onondaga and State of New York, against the extension of the Woodworth patent for planing boards, &c.

stances. The parish in which he had to exercise By Mr. GOODENOW: The petition of Samuel Odiorne his jurisdiction was overflowed by the Mississipand others, inhabitants of Kittery, York county, Maine, and pi, and, in consequence of that, he had to incur residents on an island in Piscataqua river, praying for leave 10 connect a bridge from their island with Navy-yard Island,

expenses which were not contemplated when he and for a right of way across Navy-yard Island.

was appointed. He now applies to Congress in Also, the petition of Mark Dennett and 92 others, in aid order to be compensated for those expenses. I of the same.

recommend the petition to the serious attention of By Mr. McNAIR: Eleven petitions of the Democratic

the Committee of Claims, to which I move that it citizens of Montgomery county, in the State of Pennsylvania, praying a modification of the tariff on iron.

be referred. Also, the petition of Isaac Lane and 50 others, citizens It was so referred. of Delaware county, in the State of Pennsylvania, praying Mr. SHIELDS presented a petition of merthe extension of the Woodworth patent for planing boards,

chants and other citizens of Savannah, Georgia, &e.

By Mr. BABCOCK: The petition of 204 citizens of Os- praying that further aid may be extended to Colwego, New York, for a marine hospital at the port of lins's line of steam-ships; which was referred to Oswego.

the Committee on Naval Affairs.

Also, the petition of Edward Milton, late a serIN SENATE.

geant in the Army, praying an increase of pension, WEDNESDAY, March 17, 1852.

which was referred to the Committee on Pensions.

Also, a memorial of officers of the army stationed Prayer by the Rev. Littleton F. MORGAN. at Fort Monroe, Virginia, praying that the quarNEW SENATORS.

ters of officers at the permanent military posts may

be furnished; which was referred to the ComunitMr. GWIN. Mr. President, I have been re

tee on Military Affairs.
quested to present the credentials of the Hon.
John B. WELLER, elected a Senator of the United

Also, the memorial of the widow of John Bal

ster, who was killed at Charleston arsenal while States from the State of California. The credentials were read.

in the discharge of his duty; which was referred Mr. McRAE. I ask leave to present to the

to the Committee on Pensions. Senate the credentials of the honorable STEPHEN

Mr. NORRIS presented a petition of citizens of Adams, recently elected by the Legislature of the

Hinsdale, New Hampshire, remonstrating against State of Mississippi to fill the vacancy occasioned

the further extension of Woodworth's patent for by the resignation of the honorable Jetierson Davis,

a planing machine; which was referred to the which has been for a short time humbly filled by

Committee on Patents and the Patent Office. myself. I presenting these credentials, I take my Emily H. Plummer, widow of Samuel M. Plum

Mr. BRODHEAD presented the petition of leave of you, Mr. President, and of the Senate,

mer, late an officer in the Army, praying a penwith the most cordial good feeling towards all the

sion; which was referred to the Committee on Senators, for the uniform courtesy and kindness

they have shown to me, from the time I took my
seai here until the present moment.

Also, ten petitions of citizens of Montgomery
The credentials were read, and the honorable | the tarift; and a petition of iron workers of Nor-

county, Pennsylvania, praying a modification of Messrs. Weller and Adams came forward; and she oath prescribed by law having been adminis- ristown, Pennsylvania, praying an increase of the

duties on iron; which were referred to the Comtered to them, they took their seats.

mittee on Finance. LEGISLATION OF OREGON.

Also, a petition of citizens of Middletown, PennThe PRESIDENT pro tem. laid before the Sen-sylvania, remonstrating against the further extenate copies of the Journal and acts of the Legislative sion of Woodworth's patent for a planing machine; Assembly of Oregon, of the second session thereof, which was referred to the Committee on Patents begun and held at Oregon City, December 2, 1850, and the Patent Office. transmitted to him by the Secretary of that Terri- Mr. BORLAND. I present the memorial of tory, in obedience to law; which were ordered to Lieutenant Raphael Semmes, of the Navy, praybe referred to the Committee on Territories. ing an extra allowance, at the rate of $700 a year, RELIEF OF AMERICANS ABROAD.

for services in the Coast Survey: In presenting The PRESIDENT. The Chair has received a it, I think it proper to state what is the ground of memorial from Mr. John Randolph Clay, our

the application. A survey of the coast between Charge d'Affaires at Lima, setting forth that there Appalachicola Bay and the Mississippi river was are numerous American citizens thrown upon the

ordered a few years ago, and Lieutenant Powell, shores of that country in very destitute circum

of the Navy, was directed to make it. Before stances. He states that the Consul of the United Lieutenant Powell had completed the survey, he States there and himself have exhausted all their was superseded by Lieutenant Semmes, who commeans in endeavoring to relieve these unfortunate pleted it. Lieutenant Powell applied to the Demen. There is no provision of Congress for it. partment for the usual extra allowance as comThe only act of Congress on the subject relates to

mander of the expedition. The Department being seamen, and provides that when they shall be in unable to pay it, for want of authority, applicadestitute circumstances abroad, they shall be re

tion was made to Congress, and an appropriation lieved and sent home by the consuls of the United of money ($10,000) was voted to pay all those States. The memorialist asks that some provis

extra and incidental expenses. The appropriation ion may be made by which these destituie men

was in part expended in the payment of Lieutenmay be furnished with bread, which they are un

ant Powell and the men under his command. able to obtain in a foreign land.

After Lieutenant Semmes had completed the surMr. HAMLIN. This memorial, it seems to

vey, he also made application upon the ground me, involves a question somewhat of a commer

upon which his predecessor had been paid. He was cial character. It also has some connection with

informed that the appropriation which was made our consular system. It might, perhaps, appro

exceeded the amount which Lieutenant Powelland priately be referred to the Committee on Com

those associated with him had claimed, but that merce; but I am inclined to think it has a more

the surplus had been transferred to another fund, intimate connection with our foreign relations, called, I believe, the surplus fund; and hence he and therefore move that it be referred to the Com- could not be paid, as a specific appropriation for mitte on Foreign Relations.

that purpose was not then at the disposal of the The motion was agreed to.

Government. But the Fourth Auditor, who exam

ined the claim of Lieutenant Semmes, states to PETITIONS, ETC.

him, in a letter, which I present along with the Mr. BADGER presented the memorial of Rhoda memorial, that the claim stands on precisely the McRae, praying the appointment of a tribunal to same principles as that of Lieutenant Powell, review the decisions of ihe late Board of Commis- which has already been paid; and that Lieutenant sioners for the settlement of claims of American Semmes would have been paid but for the transfer citizens against Mexico; which was referred to being made prior to the application. He comes the select committee appointed on that subject. forward now and asks Congress to make him an

Mr. SOULE. I am requested to present to Il appropriation to cover his elaim, which rests on

in exile.

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