gentlemen go beyond that, I meet them. 1 know that point. Let us repeal your laws involving us The Congress of the United States never had State to effect this object. I go with every man We can prohibit Northern men from preventing you from the capture of your slaves, and that far I am willing to go with you; rather, I would say, there is no constitutional objection to that. That is my doctrine. We have no constitutional objection to fixing a penalty upon any man who shall interfere to prevent the slaveholder from arresting and returning his fugitive slaves. But there I stop. The State of New Jersey, by her Legislature, may proclaim that it is our duty to take upon ourselves the appointment of officers of commissioners to run after and seize your slaves for you, but I deny that position altogether. We have no constitutional authority thus to degrade Northern men. Let me say to Southern men, It But here we stand, and why? Look at the slave is your privilege to catch your own slaves, if any trade in this District-at your slave prisons in this one catches them. It is not our duty to play the District, sustained by laws of Congress, by which blood-hound for you. It is your duty to meet fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, are now sigh- the expense of it, and not ours. We will not ing, weeping in chains, and the Legislature of New tax our constituents, our laboring men, to defray Jersey sends up resolutions that we shall remain the expense of chasing down and securing your involved in this transcendent iniquity, and sustain fugitives. Catch them yourselves. You have a this market in human flesh, and authorize the sale constitutional right to do it; but we will not turn of fathers and mothers in this city by act of Con- out and play the blood-hound for you. When you gress; that your Southern coastwise slave trade ask us to pay the expense of arresting your shall continue, and the flag of the United States slaves, or to give the President authority to ap shall be prostituted to maintain and protect a com- point officers to do that dirty work, give them merce in the bodies of men and of women; that power to compel our people to give chase to the the American stars and stripes shall float over car- panting bondman, you overstep the bounds of goes of mothers, fathers, and children, by virtue the Constitution; and there we meet you, and of an act of Congress, and yet say we shall remain there we stand. And there we shall remain. We silent upon the subject. I will take this occasion shall protest against such indignity; we shall proto say, that I have prepared a bill, of which I gave claim our abhorrence of such a law. Nor can notice early in the session, to repeal the 9th and 10th you seal our lips, or silence our voices. Do sections of the law of 1801, which constituted and you believe that Northern men are ready and wilestablished this coastwise slave trade. We do ling to surrender their self-respect, their dignity, not ask to interfere with it. We ask to wipe it and pay the expenses of giving chase to your from the statute-book, and leave your slave trade fugitive slaves? If so, let me tell you that there where we found it, with the people of the slave is a sentiment now passing through the whole States themselves. Why, sir, the Legislature of North, and through the whole Union, that will set New Jersey asks us to be quiet-to regard their your calculations at defiance. You cannot quiet compromise measures as a final settlement of the it. Like Banquo's ghost, it will not down at your slave question. Do they wish their constituents bidding. Sir, the popular sentiment of this naand themselves to continue involved in the enormi- tion hurls defiance at this weak and effeminate ties of that traffic in mankind? I would like to body, when it undertakes to tell the people that hear gentlemen meet these points, not to evade, they shall surrender their consciences at your biddodge, or cover them up, but to meet these ques-ding, and engage in the vile work of seizing their tions in a frank, open manner, like men-like statesmen. Here are the statutes. upon the question to which I call their attention. Now, when I come to offer my bill, which I in- which seeks to interfere. It is to cease all inter- fellow-man, and dragging him to bondage and oppression. I had no intention, when I rose, of saying more thar. to enter my protest against the manner of interfering here on all sides of this question except upon that of freedom, and that while we, the representatives of the North, remain silent, the States, through their Legislatures, should be permitted to argue this question, and send their arguments to the people. Having uttered my protest on that point, I will resume my seat. Mr. STANLY. The gentleman from Ohio has given the House some advice as to how we are to improve our statesmanship. If I understand him correctly, he lectures us for adjourning over from Fridays till Mondays instead of staying here to listen to the disquisitions which he is in the habit of pouring out, whenever he gets the floor, upon one subject, with a view to improve our statesmanship. Now, how long is it since the gentleman became so industrious that be undertakes to lecture this House about improving our statesmanship? Let the dinner-bell ring, and the first gentleman that leaves this Hall to go home and appease his appetite, to the neglect of the business of the country, is the gentleman from Ohio. He is as punctual in that respect as any steam-whistle in a factory in the city, or as any bell in town. Who left Congress at the last long session before he had performed his public duties here, and went off home after he had poured out all he had to say upon the subject of slavery, leaving everything in disorder, so far as the nation was concerned, and regardless of what befell the country, but the gentleman from Ohio? And now those of us who have business of our constituents to attend to on Saturday-the holiday, as it is called, but the most laborious day of the session to those members who do their business properly-are to be lectured by the gentleman from Ohio, who leaves punctually at dinner-time, and goes home for three weeks at a time, leaving the public business to attend to itself. "Take the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to take the moat out of thy brother's eye. should have gone home at least two or three months earlier than we did. In that way we would have had our harbor and river improvements, saved the nation a great expense, and ourselves the disgrace of such puerile and unnecessary waste of time and money. Is there a Whig, or a Democrat, or a doughface, who was in the last Congress, who can tell for what-" cui bono"-we remained here for those seven months? As I said before, my voice was to labor, to act, to legislate, to do our business, and go home. And now I come right home Mr. GIDDINGS, (interrupting.) So far as re- to the point-will the gentleman meet it? Ought gards my dinner hour-whether I go to my dinner we not to have done as I state? Ought we not to at one, two, or three o'clock-the gentleman re- have given the people a harbor bill, instead of wastgards it as important to the country. He, sir,ing our time? Ought we not to have disposed of may regard it as the most tremendous subject on the Califormia question in at most three weeks, which he has been called to comment in the course instead of being seven months about it? and then of his statesmanship. I shall only reply by say- passed the harbor bill in another week? Ought ing, that I dine at such hours as suits my mind. I not the gentleman himself to have aided in doing had not consulted the gentleman. I am in the this, and then gone home at least two or three habit of dining regularly and laboring regularly, months before he did, instead of attacking me for unless business prohibits. I had not regarded it going so early? Let the people answer this quesas my duty to consult any one as to my hours of tion. Why, I believe opinions are given very eating. freely here. At home I have to pay for them; but here I give them for nothing. I believe the country would have been under deep obligations to the gentleman, and to the rest of the House, if they had left when I did. I believe it would have been better for the country if we had transacted our business and returned home to our constitu As far as regards my absence at the close of the last long session, I will say to the gentleman, that no vote was taken then, or ever during my absence, on which my voice or vote could have had the least possible effect, or could have been of any avail. I did leave Washington a few days before the close of the long session of the last Congress; but I did not leave until every subject of legislation was as substantially determined as they now are. This House had spent seven long months in the discussion of one question, and it was impossible to bring the dough-faces to a vote upon it. I refer to the California bill. When that bill had been under discussion three weeks, I called upon gentlemen from the North and from the South to meet in this Hall and devişe means by which we could drive the dough-faces to a vote. And, sir, we had some forty or fifty members here, but we found it impossible to move them up to the work. The discussion was prolonged and prolonged, and for more than half a year we were detained here by the timidity of members-kept from our business at home, from our families, and the treasure of the nation squandered, for no other reason than that members dared not vote on that question. Mr. STANLY. Has the gentleman finished yet? Mr. GIDDINGS. I have not quite got through. I am sorry to see a Southern slaveholder doing the dirty work of the dough-faces of the North. It is not becoming the dignity of a slaveholder to draw such argument from the servile press of Northern dough-faces. I have seen this whole attack of his, in certain scurrilous papers of the North. Sir, let the dough-faces copy after Southern gentlemen. It is their business. I wish now to meet another important question. I have been censured by the servile press of my own district, because I did not, by my own influence, carry through at an earlier period of last Congress the bill for the improvement of our lakes, harbors, and river navigation. The loss of that bill has been imputed to my neglect. Now, before this House and the country, I ask the gentleman, and every other member of the last Congress, to bear testimony, that I used every possible exertion to hasten the business of that session. From the commencement of the session to its close, I never voted for an adjournment overfor more than one day. From the commencement of this session, I have not objected to adjourning over on Saturdays, but I have objected to spending half our time here for the first eight weeks of the session in idleness. That is what I have objected to; and if the gentleman means to censure me for that, let him come out and say so like a man. I spoke respectfully. I stated expressly that I did not intend to censure any one. That, sir, was the first time that I ever found the gentleman from North Carolina dodging behind the bush. When he was a good Whig in former times, and acted with me, he used to come out like a man on every and all occasions, and speak, and act, and vote without delay. I repeated at the long session of last Congress, that instead of speaking here for seven months upon the one question of admitting California, we should have disposed of it in three weeks at furthest, and then have passed our harbor bill, and that instead of remaining here, that gentleman, and all of us, ents at least two months earlier than we did. Let me say, here, that I see gentlemen in this Hall who are looking forward to the nomination of a President; and let me warn the country that until those nominations have been made, and until the Buncombe speeches shall have been uttered, little business will be done, and no adjournment had. Mr. STANLY. This lecture is getting too long. Mr. GIDDINGS. Well, I see the gentleman is impatient under it, so I will give way. Mr. STANLY. I yielded the floor to the gentleman for explanation, but he branched off into a long lecture to the House upon its general deportment. If I yield any longer, it may go on for a week, for the gentleman seems to think he has some special gift from Providence, or from some one much lower than I choose to refer to here, to leclecture all mankind-slave-holders, dough-faces, Whigs and Democrats. The gentleman from Ohio admits, that he went home during the last Congress, and neglected the public business. We heard none of his lectures then. Who aided so much to delay the public business in this House as the gentleman from Ohio? What ten men aided so much to do it as he? Were there any ten men in that Congress who caused so much delay, and did so much to obstruct the public business, as the honorable member? Mr. GIDDINGS. I call on the gentleman from North Carolina to make his assertion good in the face of this House. I pronounce it false. Mr. STANLY. It is mighty easy for one who has no regard for the decencies or dignity of life, and who screens himself from responsibility for directing false charges like this, to leave his public business here, and sneak away from this House, as the gentleman did at the end of the last long session, taking his pay for work he did not do. Is he not a pretty gentleman to come here and lecture any man in this House-any negro outside of the House-or any free negro-upon propriety and integrity of character? Does it come with a good grace for that gentleman to embark in lectures of that character? Now, sir, we have had enough of this. Why, when the honorable gentleman some time ago. made a speech in this Hall, I called upon him to explain a certain matter, and he refused, because, as he then said, it was not a proper time. Yet, how does that gentleman now regard the rules of this House? Why, here, upon a motion to print the resolutions of the Legislature of the State of New Jersey he gives a half hour's discussion, not upon printing those resolutions, but upon slavery and the slave trade. What has that to do with the subject of printing the resolutions? Why, these resolutions are always printed as a matter of courtesy. But, in this case, upon a simple motion to print, we must be treated this morning to a speech upon the slavery question by this mileage member this running-away member-this member who goes home to secure his own election, The gentleman calls himself a Democrat. If he had called himself a free negro Democrat, he would have come nearer the truth than he does by calling himself a Democrat-for the Democrats will not acknowledge him as one of them. I do not know a Democrat upon this floor who would do it. But the honorable gentleman says that his dinner hour is about as great a question of statesmanship as I ever attempted to discuss. I beg to say that I have attempted to discuss one subject of smaller significance than even his dinner, and that is the honorable gentleman from Ohio himself; and I have discussed that subject, because it was forced upon me by his own conduct in this House. He is a subject of the least importance of any that I ever attempted to discuss. Why, during the last Congress, when he ought to have been here attending to his public business, where was the gentleman? But he has seen proper to refer to this internal improvement bill. Now I say-the House will bear me out in what I say, that every member of the last Congress will bear me out in saying-that he did more to injure that bill than any fifty strict constructionists in the House. His support of anything he touches in this House is death to it. He is making slavery a popular institution, if it ever were unpopular. He is making the people of his district, by his rant upon this question of slavery, not only odious to the Southern people, but to a large portion of the North. Yes, the North are beginning to regard them, on his account, with feelings of detestation. That honorable member, by his advocacy of these internal improvement bills, as far as his influence can go, or has gone, is rendering them odious to a large portion of the people all over the country, and gives members upon this floor a pretext for voting against them, which otherwise they would not have. How can your constituents expect to have river and harbor improvements when a representative, who comes here to send forth constantly his infernal nonsense, vileness, and abuse upon the whole Southern country, undertakes to advocate such measures? Yet that has been the whole course of the honorable member. Mr. GIDDINGS. Will the member allow me to say a word upon that point? I want to call the attention of the House to the vote upon the internal improvement bill. I rejoice that the honorable gentleman from North Carolina has paid me the compliment to say that I have done more than any other fifty men in this House to defeat this bill. It is saying that I possess an influence, of which I was not aware. I think-though I am not certain that there were not fifty who voted against it in this House.. A VOICE. The bill only passed by some sixteen or seventeen majority. Mr. GIDDINGS. Well, be that as it may, I am rejoiced that the gentleman has seen fit to call up this point. When I took my seat in this House, this whole system of internal improvements was abandoned. At that time the western portion of the district which I now represent, was represented by another gentleman. Gentlemen will recollect that the system, so far as our action was concerned, was revived during the administration of Mr. Polk. We then passed a bill which was vetoed. Now, it is for the sins of Mr. Polk for which the gentleman from North Carolina and certain Whig newspapers arraign me. At the last session of Congress, a bill was passed again, triumphantly in this House at least it was passed by a large majority-I am sure the majority was near thirty: yet I am held responsible for the loss of the bill in the Senate. Ì desired to reply thus far to the charges of the gentleAnd I will add, that by the bill my district received more than double the amount of appropriation it ever received under my predecessor in any one year. man. But as to other matters, I will say that when the member descends to the vulgarities of barroom blackguards, to which he has on this occasion descended, I cannot follow him. He gets lower down than a man of honor can go. He descends so low that I cannot follow him so far to throw the mantle of charity over him. [Laughter.] I say, I cannot, and I hope the country, as I know my constituents will not, expect as me to follow him down to the point of ribaldry to which he has descended upon this occasion. Mr. G., (turning to several gentlemen standing near Mr. STANLY.) I protest against the dough faces crowding around the gentleman from North Carolina, to supply him with matter with which to assail me. I tell them it is too small business for men. Mr. STANLY. That's true. It is a mighty small business. [Laughter.] Mr. GIDDINGS. This is not a free fight at all. It is between him and myself. I want them to give us a free fight-fair play upon both sides. A VOICE. You shall have that. Mr. GIDDINGS. I say that the press-the servile press of the North-has chosen to arraign me, and charge upon me the responsibility of defeating that bill, not in this House, for I repeat that it passed this body, but because my influence was not sufficient to pass it through the Senate on the last days of the session. The gentleman from North Carolina consents to be their mouth-piece, to play the bully for them. He arraigns me for that, and tells the country that I did more than any other fifty men in the House to defeat the bill. I am glad that he has given me the opportunity for laying the truth in relation to this matter before the House and the country. Now, sir, how stands the fact? I make the assertion, that it was that gentleman and the Northern serviles in the House who would not permit us to come to a vote upon the California bill, who prevented us from getting through the bill for the improvement of rivers and harbors-who would not allow it to pass this House during the long session to which he refers, nor, indeed, in the last session, in time for it to pass the Senate during that Congress. There is the whole of it. And I say, the gentleman from North Carolina, and those with him who procured that seven months' delay of all business, are the men who are responsible for the loss of that bill, and of other measures which ought to have passed that Congress. member of the last Congress will bear me witness But the honorable gentleman talks about our Sir, we do not raise the overseer's lash over our slaves in North Carolina. If that man [pointing to Mr. GIDDINGS] were in the Southern country, Mr. Chairman, there is not a decent man amongst my constituents who would own such a fellow for a slave. He would be a "free nigger," and in less than three weeks would be tied to the whippingpost for stealing or slandering his neighbor. Now the honorable member says, if I say that he was at that convention, when certain resolutions were passed, then I misrepresent him-then I tell a falsehood. Yes, sir, and if I say he is a gentleman, I tell a falsehood; and if I say that these pillars are all made of chalk, I tell a falsehood; and if I say this white piece of paper is as black as the heart of the gentleman from Ohio, I tell a falsehood; but I have said no such thing. But, upon the point of being absent from public business, I charge him with being at Philadelphia in a convention where certain resolutions were passed; and that he made a speech at that convention. That I charged, and that only, and that he does not deny. But he gets Mr. GIDDINGS. The gentleman has, upon a over that by saying, that if I say what I did not former occasion, imputed to me a presence at a say, then I misrepresent. Now I not only charge meeting of Abolitionists in Philadelphia, when that, for the gentleman was not only at that concertain resolutions were passed there. The gen-vention, but he was at some public meeting in man is entirely mistaken. Those resolutions Montgomery county, in Pennsylvania, making were not passed at the meeting at which I spoke; speeches-at Norristown. He can go away and nor were any resolutions passed, save, perhaps, a attend two sessions, andformal vote of thanks to myself and others. The meeting to which the gentleman alludes was at another time and at another place. Mr. GIDDINGS. Will the gentleman allow ine a moment? Mr. STANLY. It is evident that no member of this House wants to hear him; but I will allow him to speak. [Laughter.] Mr. STANLY, (interrupting.) The member was not only in the Philadelphia Convention that passed those resolutions, but he was there and made a speech. That he does not deny, although Mr. STANLY. The gentleman from Ohio he will deny anything when the proof is not at says it is a small business for anybody to come hand. He camiot deny that; and, by the way, bere and give hints to me in relation to himself. So there has beer no man who has had a controversy it is. I plead guilty to the accusation. It is not upon this floor with that honorable member who only a very small business, but rather worse than has not raised the issue of veracity with him—no that. It is the business of a scavenger to have any- man, whether from the North or South. Not thing to do with the honorable gentleman from one, that I remember. But, not only was he Ohio; and I feel as if I wanted to wash my hands present, but he made a speech. "The galled jade after I have got through with him. But I cannot winces again," (pointing at Mr. GIDDINGS.) help it. He is here, upon this floor, and thrusts him- Mr. GIDDINGS. Does the gentleman intend self upon us. He holds himself up to us as a light-to say that I was present at a meeting in Philaas a sort of censor morum of this House. Now, in all courtesy and in all decency I say that it is a small business for me. I do not know how I can descend any lower when I descend to attack the honorable member from Ohio. A MEMBER. "Good!" "Good!" Mr. STANLY. It is not good; it is very bad, and I wish somebody else would do it. But when he thrusts himself before the House in this manner, I have felt called upon to do it. delphia when certain resolutions were agitated, or reference to them? Mr. STANLY. I say he was at a Philadelphia convention, and made a speech at that convention. Did he not? Mr. GIDDINGS. If the gentleman intends to sav Mr. STANLY. I say nothing about his intent. Mr. GIDDINGS. That gentleman shall not The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman suspend his remarks a moment? Mr. STANLY. Certainly. I ought to suspend that fellow by the neck, [pointing to Mr. GIDDINGS.] [A message was here received from the President of the United States, by the hands of MnLARD P. FILLMORE, his Private Secretary.] Mr. STANLY, (resuming.) The honorable gentleman from Ohio [Mr. GIDDINGS] not only indorsed, but threw the overseer's lash over the whole South. But let any gentleman from the North, no matter how high his character, deviate at all in voting from what the gentlcuñan thinks is right, and that moment he is assailed as a doughface. Let any Southern Democrat vote for any one of these compromise acts, he is a dough-face. Let any Northern patriot vote for any one of them, and at once he becomes a dough-face, and is as sailed by the member from Ohio. Sir, he is in the habit of lecturing this House, and he has done so two or three times this session, while I charge him with neglecting his business and running away; and when he is here, with throwing constant impediments in the way of the transaction of the public business. I regret that I have been led to say a word about this matter. I did not intend to do so. I have departed from the course of conduct I had prescribed to myself towards that member. But his own insolence has caused me this morning to forget it. When there was no matter of that sort before the House, he has got up and poured out his abuse upon the whole House and upon the whole Southern country. In a moment of excite ment, I was induced to get up and remind him of his misdeeds, when he arose and insolently stated that what I said was false. He has thrown the first stone; he has begun this business; and, disregarding all propriety, has provoked what he has got, and let him take the consequences and bear the blame-though he is to blame enough to sink a navy, and odium enough to disgrace a regiment of free negroes afflicted with the small-pox, if he had the whole poured upon him. A few words in regard to the charge which I made, that the gentleman from Ohio had done more toward defeating the river and harbor bill than any other fifty members in this House. I believe that bill was defeated by the influence of that member, by his violent and insupportable attacks upon Southern members and Southern institutions, while he has set himself up as the "Simon Pure" of this House. That gentleman has spoken of the large amount which that bill appropriated in his own district. Now, it is my belief that the very fact that so large an amount was appropriated for a certain portion of the country, is the very reason why the bill did not pass the Senate of the United States. "Let the galled jade wince." The facts are here, and the country Mr. STANLY. I hope the gentleman will ought to know them. The people of his own dis- not gnash his teeth so hard. He hardly frightens trict ought to know the fact, that whatever measure me by this extraordinary exuberance of passion. that gentleman advocates here he renders odious. The houorable gentleman says I shall not crack The gentleman refers to my course upon the the overseer's whip over him. That is a favorite California bill, by way of a retort, in the spirit of figure with the honorable gentleman. The only mere spleen and spite, in a most contemptible spirit overseer's lash in my part of the country, that I of "tit for tat," and regardless of truth. He says know of being cracked at all, is not with slavethat I was responsible as much as any others, I holders, who manage their negroes without it.¦planation? believe, for the delay in the passage of that bill. We have no crack of the lash with us over our Mr. GIDDINGS. Oh no; I did not say that. slaves. That is a fancy. The lash is only known Mr. STANLY. Well, he says that I am re- to felons and bad negroes. There are bad nesponsible. Now, if there has anything come-be-groes-and there ought to be bad negroes when we fore this House in relation to which, above all see how meanly white men can act, (laughter) others, I am impregnable, it is this charge. Every ¦ who should be punished with it. Who is playing I beg pardon of this House for having descended-as the gentleman said I did-for having stooped to a controversy with him. I plead guilty to it. Mr. GIDDINGS. I wish to say one word. Mr. GIDDINGS. When I spoke of the gentleman, saying that what he stated was false, the House will bear testimony that I did not transgress the parliamentary rules. I know my parliamentary rights. I stepped to the verge of parliamentary rules, but there I stopped. Every member understands Mr. GIDDINGS. The gentleman says that I was at Norristown? Why, drinking their grog." be them. Neither is it insuliing or ungentlemanly to Mr. STANLY, (in his seat.) Mr. Giddings's district. Mr. GIDDINGS. To the lowest depths of ribaldry. Sir, it is unbecoming any member of this House, and I appeal to the members of this body if they ever knew me to assail a man at any time, or in any place, until I myself was first assailed. And let me say, looking that gentleman and every member of this House in the face, that I have never been guilty of such an outrage upon the dignity of this body, as he has perpetrated on the present occasion. The gentleman had better use such language only to those who crouch and shrink and tremble at his frown. It may do well on the plantation, but it is unbecoming towards freemen. It is unsuited to this Hall. Degradation itself would blush, and the man who would do it must have sunken so low, that he would become giddy were he elevated to the level of total depravity. There are slaveholders in this House-and I take pleasure in saying it—with whom my relations now are, and ever have been, those of gentlemanly deportment and mutual interchange of respect, and nothing else; and while slaveholders shall deinean themselves as gentlemen, no one of them will ever be assailed by me. I where else but in this Hall. He was not here. Mr. STANLY. I think the gentleman has had Mr. GIDDINGS. One word more. Mr. STANLY. The honorable member from a temperance man myself, and do not often drink. Judge, ye! He was much better employed than we were, no doubt, in the company of those where to tell a man he is a liar, is an everyday courtesythat it is to be expected. (Help him-do! He stands in need of it. Whisper into his ear some little more poison, good Free-Soiler from New York, [Mr. KING.]) He says that I stated this morning that the Speaker was out of order. Have I said any such thing? The honorable meinber gets the floor, makes a speech, and no one notices him-no one raises a point of order upon him, and the Speaker does not interfere. He says that I charged the. Speaker with being out of order. What relevancy had his speech about slave trade in the Southern States with the printing of joint resolutions from New Jersey? I raised no such point-not at all. I quit this subject in disgust. I feel as if I had been in a dissecting-room cutting up a dead dog. [Laughter.] The House will excuse me. I will treat the honorable member from Ohio hereafter as he ought to be treated by the members of this House-as an insane man, who never was taught decency or propriety of conduct. His associations show him never to have mingled among gentlemen. I hope I shall not be again provoked from what is due to myself to descend so low as to notice him. Mr. HOUSTON. I move the previous question upon the motion to print. Mr. GIDDINGS. Will the gentleman permit me one word of explanation? [Cries of "No! no! We have had enough."] The call for the previous question was seconded, and the main question ordered to be put. The question was then taken, and the motion to print was agreed to. DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL MESSAGE. Mr. HOUSTON offered the usual resolution in blank for closing debate upon the President's message in the Committee of the Whole upon the state of the Union. Mr. H. I have left the time blank, that an hour may he fixed by the House at which it may be their pleasure to close the debate in committee. I will propose Thursday (to-morrow) at two o'clock, been in Committee of the Whole upon the PresMr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. We have not ident's message more than three hours this ses sion. Mr. HOUSTON. I think we have been in committee two or three days. Mr. STEPHENS. I think not exceeding three hours. Mr. HOUSTON. I understand that the reso The SPEAKER. That has been the custom of the House.. I hope the reporters will take notes of what he has said, and what I have said, and that they will allow neither of us to see them. If he gets them into his hands--have mercy upon me! if he serves this debate as he has everybody. My colleague from the Orange district [Mr. VENABLE] and the member from Ohio [Mr. TAYLOR] got into a controversy with him the other day, and how were they represented? His speeches were entirely different as spoken and as published. He gets up one day and reads a resolution out of the Congressional But the gentleman says I charge Northern men Globe, and says these gentlemen voted so and so with being dough-faces. Well, sir, he takes it upon a year ago, and the next day he has a different set himself to be the representative of all the dough- || of resolutions reported. I charge the reporters to faces of the North to-day. He speaks for them-he see that his felonious hand touch not one word of comes here as their agent and attorney, and assails what I have said. Let what has been said appear me. And how does he do it? Why he says precisely as delivered. Let his remarks appear as am out of order. Mr. Speaker, (the presiding offi- spoken and not as made out after he gets home in cer of this House [Mr. BoxD] being in the chair,) his room with some of his colored friends. [Laugh-lution is not debatable. you yourself made the question as to the order of ter.] The honorable member talks of associations debate upon this resolution. I believe (alluding here. Who ever saw him, except upon this floor, to Mr. JONES, of Tennessee, who was then in the with a decent man in Washington city? He rechair,) you called me to order, and that gentle-ceives visits from free negroes sometimes. The man, [Mr. Born,] a slaveholder, a man whom I respect and honor, declared that I was in order; and an appeal taken from that decision was laid upon this table; and now this gentleman from North Carolina [Mr. STANLY] insists that it shall go out to the country that I was out of order, when the Speaker of the House expressly decided that I was in. order. Now, I heard that gentieman Mr. STANLY] oncfell an anecdote upon this floor, about a boy, who whirled himself about so rapidly that the hind part of his breeches got on the fore side, (laughter;) but the gentleman changes his position much more rapidly, for the purpose of assailing me, and making a personal altercation between him and myself; pronouncing the Speaker out of order, pronouncing the House out of order, and the rules themselves out of order; and that in discussing these resolutions I was out of order. The gentleman says I speak of Northern men as dough-faces. Why, the term dough-faces has become honorable among some of those associated with him. He calls me an Abolitionist; I call him a slaveholder. At the North we have two classes-doughfaces and free-soilers. I acknowledge the name they give me there is not much in a nume-and I permit them to use it; and I give to them the only cognomen, known in the English language, that befits their position. Mr. STANLY. How many minutes have I left of my time? The SPEAKER. Seventeen minutes. charity he dispenses no man knows. He never that I had better continue. That was all the in- ' Mr. HOUSTON. I will not, then, move the previous question, but will leave the House to fix the time at which debate shall be closed in the committee. Mr. SEYMOUR, of New York. I move this day week. Mr. STEPHENS moved to lay the resolution upon the table; which motion was agreed to. Mr. HOUSTON moved that the rules of the House be suspended, and that the House resolve itself into Committee of the Whole upon the state of the Union, for the purpose of taking up those resolutions on the President's message. Mr. GORMAN. I wish, before that is done, to make a report from the Committee on Printing. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Alabama has made a privileged motion, which cannot be superseded while pending by another privileged motion. Mr. GORMAN. I understand the motion of the gentleman has precedence to certain other motions; but if the Chair will permit me, a rule of the House says that the Committee on Printing can report at any time. A privileged question certainly takes precedence. Where was I at the time of the sitting of the Philadelphia Convention? I have not set myself up as the standard of general attention here. He is the man who arraigns everybody, and therefore The SPEAKER. The rules say, also, that a I come upon him. I do not say, that during the majority may at any time suspend the rules and sessions I have always been in the House. We resolve itself into the Committee of the Whole were drinking our grog Christmas week! Where House upon the state of the Union; and each being, was he? In Philadelphia, drinking beer in oyster-in the opinion of the present incumbent of the cellars with free negroes. [Laughter.] Who was best employed--those who drank good liquor in the city of Washington, or the honorable member in his employment in Philadelphia? I am rather il chair, [Mr. JONES,] of the same character, the first made must be the first put. If the chairman of the Committee on Printing had first made his motion, of course he would have had the precedence of the motion to go into committee. The motion to resolve the House into the Committee of the Whole upon the state of the Union being always a special one, provided for by the rules, in the opinion of the Chair takes precedence of any other privileged motion. Mr. GORMAN. I will then ask the gentleman from Alabama to withdraw his motion. The report will not take more than three minutes to be considered. Mr. HOUSTON. I am perfectly willing that my motion shall remain in abeyance until his is acted upon, if it will not occupy much time. There was no objection. FEES OF CLERKS, MARSHALS, AND ATTorNEYS. Mr. GORMAN. The Committee on Printing report the following resolution relative to printing the report of the Committee on the Judiciary: "Resolved, That five thousand extra copies of the report of the Judiciary Committee in regard to the fees of clerks, marshals, and attorneys in the district courts of the United States, be printed for the use of the House of Representatives." Mr. G. said: After examining the matter, I will state to the House, that this report speaks of the difficulties and complexities of this subject under our existing law. It traces the history of legislation in regard to this subject, since the organization of the Government. It points out the abuses which have grown up under the present system in the way of taxes and costs, and shows the enormous and unprecedented increase of the expenditures. There is accompanying it a tabular statement, and the letter of the First Comptroller, giving some specific charges and abuses in the courts of the United States in regard to this question, of rather extraordinary importance to the country. Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. I move to amend, by adding five thousand copies of the report of the Clerk to this House, upon the contingent expenses of the House. The SPEAKER. The Chair is of the opinion that the motion of the gentleman from Georgia is not in order, being upon a different subject; and the motion for the printing of an extra number of copies would have to go to the Committee on Printing. The question was then taken, and the resolution was agreed to. Mr. GORMAN moved to reconsider the vote by which the resolution was adopted, and to lay the motion to reconsider upon the table; which latter motion was agreed to. DR. OWEN'S GEOLOGICAL REPORT. Mr. GORMAN. I have another report, which will not keep the attention of the House long, and which it is indispensably necessary should be passed immediately. It is a resolution upon the subject of printing the report of the United States Geologist, which has been passed upon a long time in the Senate. We have not acted upon it, and they cannot print it until we do act upon it. The resolution was then read, as follows: Resolved, That there be printed for the use of this House three thousand five hundred copies of the final report of Dr. D. D. Owen on the geology of Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota; and that such be executed in the same form and style and under the same special contract which has been authorized by the Senate to be entered into by the Commissioner of the General Land Office, and that five hundred copies be set apart for the disposal of said office. The whole of this matter is under the control of the Commissioner of the General Land Office of the United States, and it requires a resolution to provide for the amount to be printed. The question was then taken, and the resolution was agreed to. On motion by Mr. HIBBARD, it was Ordered, That the petition and papers of Stephen Hoyt be withdrawn from the files of the House, and referred to the Committee on Revolutionary Claims. Mr. OLDS. I wish to make an inquiry of the Chair. The gentleman from Alabama [Mr. HousTON] moves to suspend the rules, for the purpose of going into Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union. I wish to inquire of the Chair, when we get into Committee of the Whole whether we will not be compelled to take up the special order? Mr. HOUSTON. That portion of my motion was merely an indication to the House Mr. OLDS. I ask the Chair, if we will not be compelled to take up the special order? || The SPEAKER. That will be a question for the committee to decide. Mr. ABERCROMBIE, by unanimous consent of the House, presented a joint memorial from the Legislature of Alabama to Congress, asking an appropriation of lands to complete the geological survey of the State; which was referred to the Committee on Public Lands, and ordered to be printed. The question was then taken upon Mr. HousTON's motion, and it was agreed to. The House accordingly resolved itself into the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union, (Mr. OLDS in the chair.) BOUNTY LAND WARRANTS-FEES OF LAND OFFICERS. The CHAIRMAN. The first business before the committee, in the opinion of the Chair, is the special order of the House, being the joint resolution No. 1 of the House, making land warrants assignable. The gentleman from Indiana [Mr. DUNHAM] would have been entitled to his hour, when this resolution came up the other day, and he has that privilege now, in the opinion of the Chair. Mr. GORMAN. I have a motion to suggest. I understand that there has been referred to the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union, a joint resolution with regard to the public printing. That resolution being reported to the House, under a rule of privilege, or what may be termed a privileged question, I suppose it cannot be divested of that privilege by being referred to the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union. I apprehend that notwithstanding there may be a special order for the day, that question comes up in despite of the special order. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair supposes the committee having been in session upon the special order of the House, being not only the Senate bill, but the joint resolution of the House, that that special order is not yet completed, and this question of printing cannot supersede the special order. Mr. GORMAN. I will suggest to the Chair the reason that this question of land warrants was taken up was, because I never made a question. I have been informed that the decisions of the Chair had been uniform, where these questions had been put, and it had been decided that the question of privilege was not divested of its right by being referred to the committee. I have not made the question before, and consequently it was not necessary to decide it, and as a matter of course the bounty land question came up. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair must remind the gentleman from Indiana, [Mr. GORMAN,] that the question is not debatable. Does the gentleman desire to take an appeal from the decision of the Chair? The CHAIRMAN. The Chair decides that the special order of the House, not being finished yet, and upon which the committee were still engaged at its last sitting, has a preference over any other business of the committee. Mr. GORMAN. I understood that we had disposed of it.. The CHAIRMAN. There were two matters referred jointly. Mr. GORMAN. I appeal from the decision of the Chair. Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. If I understand the point of order made by the gentleman from Indiana, it is this: that because the Committee on Printing have a right to report at any time orders of the House. The committee is tied down by the order of the House. Mr. FITCH. This bill may be laid aside, to be reported to the House with a recommendation that it be laid upon the table. order, if the gentleman from Indiana, (Mr. DuxThe CHAIRMAN. That motion would be in HAM, who is entitled to the floor, waives his right to his hour. Mr. DUNHAM. I do not wish to take up the time of the House, and I will waive my right. Mr. FITCH. I move, then, that the resolution be laid aside, to be reported to the House with a recommendation that it be laid upon the table. Mr. MARSHALL, of Kentucky. Is not the resolution, however, open for amendment? The CHAIRMAN. Certainly it is. Mr. MARSHALL. The committee will recollect that many of us were The CHAIRMAN. Debate is closed, but amendments will be in order under the five minutes rule. Mr. MARSHALL. What is the motion now before the committee? The CHAIRMAN. It is that the resolution be laid aside and reported to the House with a recommendation that it be laid upon the table. Mr. MARSHALL. I have an amendment to offer before that motion is taken, and I design offering it now. Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. I barely wish to state, that there are a number of gentlemen upon this floor who wish to extend the provisions of the existing bounty act to individuals not embraced in the present bill. As I urged upon the committee the other day, that we should pass the bill we had then before the House and take up this bill, I now wish to notify the House, that all of us who are in favor of extending the bounty land act, should not agree to the motion made by the gentleman upon my left [Mr. FITCH,] but we should take up this bill and go through with it. The CHAIRMAN. The resolution will be read through by sections. The first section of the joint resolution of the House will be now read, and the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. MARSHALL] can make his amendment. Section 1st was then read, as follows: Be it enacted, &c., That nothing in the act approved September twenty-eighth, eighteen hundred and fifty, "granting bounty land to certain officers and soldiers who have been engaged in the military service of the United States,” shall be so construed as to prevent the sale and transfer of any certificate or warrant issued by virtue of said act, prior to the location of the same, or the issue of the patent thereon. Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. We have already acted upon that subject, and I therefore move to strike out the first section. The motion was agreed to. So the first section was stricken out. The Clerk then read the 2d section, as follows: SEC. 2. And be it further resolved, That the registers and receivers of the United States land offices shail hereafter be severally authorized to charge and receive for their services, in locating bounty land warrants, the same rate of compensation or percentage to which they are entitled by law for sales of the public lands for cash, at the rate of one dollar and twenty-five cents per acre, the said compensation to be hereafter paid by the assignees or holders of such warrants, in all cases where the same have been transferred by the soldier or his legal or personal representative, under the provisions of the act of Congress, and the regulations of the General Land Office on that subject, and to be paid out of the Treasury of the United States, upon the adjustment of the accounts of such officers, where it shall be shown, to the satisfaction of the General Land Office, that the same was located by the soldier or warrantee, or in case of his death by his next of kin, as provided by the acts of Congress aforesaid. Mr. GAYLORD moved to strike out the 2d section. Mr. CABELL. I desire to amend that section before the question is taken on striking out. I move to strike out all after the word "warrants" in the 9th line, as follows: Mr. HOUSTON. Is the appeal debatable? Mr. JONES. I am not debating it. I merely wish to know, if I understand the question. The point the gentleman from Indiana makes is, if I understand him rightly, that because the Committee on Printing have the right, under the rules, to report at any time, their report should take prece-provisions of the acts of Congress, and the regulations of dence of all other business, even of special orders in Committee of the Whole. It loses all its privilege when it gets into the House. The question was then taken upon the appeal, and the decision of the Chair was sustained. Mr. GORMAN. I move to lay the bounty land bill aside. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair supposes the il committee have no power to lay aside the special "In all cases where the same have been transferred by the soldier or his legal or personal representative, under the the General Land Office on that subject, and to be paid out of the Treasury of the United States, upon the adjustment of the accounts of such officers, where it shall be shown to the satisfaction of the General Land Office that the same was located by the soldier or warrantee, or in case of his death by his next of kin, as provided by the acts of Congress aforesaid." Mr. C. continued. When this question was last before the House, this whole subject of the payment of registers and receivers was very fully |