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to be engaged in trade four or five hundred miles tion upon our western waters, it will be that of a HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. distant. They would then have an additional in- || restriction, rather than an enlargement of this sys
Monday, February 9, 1852. centive, perhaps, to a diligent and faithful execu- tem, and to provide some other mode of examining
The House met at twelve o'clock, m. Prayer tion of the trust, when the lives and property of these boats, and the quality of their engines, so the people of their own State were concerned, and that it may be ascertained with some degree of by the Rev. L. F. Morgan. I should, therefore, expect them to perform the certainty whether it is safe for people to travel
The Journal of Friday was read and approved. duty faithfully. These are the evils which exist, upon them or not.
Mr. MILLSON. I move a reconsideration of and which the bill proposes to remedy, and I hope I know that there are suggestions of that kind. the vote by which the House on Friday last rethat it may be permitted to pass.
I know that the Senator from Massachusetts (Mr. ferred to the Committee on Revolutionary PenMy friend from Massachusetts, on my left, | Davis) proposes something of that kind. But
sions the bill for the relief of William Miller, (Mr. Davis,} has a bill, which he promises to bring now, imperfect as this system is—and I must say intending afterwards to move its reference to the forward soon, overhauling the whole subject, en- that I have no particular interest in this matter more
Committee on Invalid Pensions. I have examdeavoring to make provisions which will regulate than other Senators, no interests beyond those feel- ined the bill and report, and find that its legitimate the whole matter, from beginning to end. If I am ings of humanity which prompt us all-I should reference is to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. correctly informed, it proposes something like a see with reluctance a system which I think will Mr. JOHNSON, of Arkansas. I made the morevision of the present law. We in the West all operate injuriously, so greatly extended as is pro- tion on last Friday. I did not then understand the have a common interest, not only on the Missis-posed by this bill, and especially as the Senator case; nor was there found any one upon the floor sippi, but on all its tributaries; and I have no doubt from Kentucky informs us that a new system is who did. It was necessary that it should be diswe are all sincerely anxious to see that system very shortly to be reported. Why, then, take up posed of, that the House might reach other matadopted which will secure the lives and property | this subject in which all are so deeply inter- | ters. Hence I made the motion. I believe the of our people. It seems to me that this bill willested, when a bill matured under all the light which gentleman is right; and hope that his motion may not interfere with the one which the honorable science can shed upon it is so soon to be brought prevail. Senator from Massachusetts proposes to present; || forward? I hope ihat gentlemen will consent to let The question was taken, and the vote was reand when that bill comes up, if it will secure the the matter stand as it is until the bill is brought be considered; and then, on further motion, the bill object we aim at, I shall be ready to sustain it, and fore us which has been promised by the Senator was referred to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. to unite with my friends from the West to accom- from Massachusetts. I will go as far as any man MEXICAN INDEMNITY AND BENJ. E. GREEN. plish so desirable an object.
on this floor in doing everything that I believe Mr. DOWNS. I am willing to go as far as any | likely to promote the interests of every section of
Mr. GREY occupied the floor for an hour, under one to facilitate the interest of the West, and es- the country, and to afford all facilities necessary
a suspension of the rules, in reply to the remarks pecially that of the States of Arkansas and Ken
of Mr. Barly, of Virginia, a few days since, on for the easy transaction of their business; but at iucky, and it is with very great regret that I offer the same time I desire to take every requisite pre
the Mexican indemnity bill, which injuriously
connected the name of Mr. B. E. Green with the any opposition to this bill, and I do it only from a caution in guarding the lives of the community sense of duty. I admit, that there are some in- 1 who are obliged to travel upon these boats. I am
non-payment by Mexico of the indemnity due by conveniences resulting from the law as it now ex- as much interested in this matter as any other
her in 1844. His remarks, vindicating the conduct ists, though they do not seem to me to be quite so gentleman. I live in the interior of the State of BAYLY, have been withheld for revision. They
of Mr. Green against the alleged charges of Mr. great as have been pointed out. There is no ne- Louisiana, and boats in the interior of that State cessity that a boat shall be inspected wherever have the same interest in regard to this question
will be published in the Appendix.
Mr. MURPHY. I ask ihe unanimous consent she goes. She gets her inspection at some place as those in the States of Kentucky and Arkansas. where there is an inspector. Is there any boat I shall, therefore, do everything to facilitate their
of the House to offer the following resolution: now running in the district in which either of the trade; but I must oppose this bill because the im
Resolred, That the Committee on Revolutionary Claims
have leave to report back to the House the petition and members is particularly interested, which does pression is strong upon my mind that it would papers of Doctor Avery Downer, praying for a pension; not in her usual voynges go to Memphis or Nash- increase the danger of those explosions which and that the petitioner have leave to withdraw his papers ville, or St. Louis, or some port which is a port of have already been so tremendous and appalling. froin the files of the House. entry?
Mr. DAVIS. Mr. President
I will only remark as to this petition praying Mr. BORLAND. There are half a dozen, at Mr. CASS. I was about to suggest that a vote for a pension, that the Committee on Revolutionleast, in my State.
should be taken on this question immediately, in | ary Claims consider it was improperly referred to Mr. DOWNS. I think they must be very rare order that the honorable Senator from Rhode Island, that committee, and therefore ask leave to report cases, in which a boat does not run to some port [Mr. Clarke,) who has the floor on another sub- it back. There has been once a favorable report of entry.
ject which was made the special order for this by the House upon this petition, and the petitioner Mr. 'BORLAND. There are many on the day, should be allowed to proceed.
desires to withdraw his petition that he may preWhite and Arkansas rivers. They run in the in
. I only one moment. I sent it to the Senate. terior of the State.
the Mr. DOWNS. I do not think the evil is so condition of this bill which has been referred to will be so ordered. very great as has been stated. I opposed this bill by the honorable Senator from Louisiana. It has
CHAIRMAN OF MILITARY AFFAIRS. heretofore, and I oppose it still, because it must been delayed much beyond what I could wish; but be recollected that if there is some inconvenience, every Senator will perceive that it is a subject House to excuse my colleauge Mr. Burt) from
Mr. ORR. I rise for the purpose of asking the and some evil at present, there are, in my opinion, | which is so complicated that a great deal of informevils on the other hand transcendently greateration is necessary in order to frame a bill. That
further service upon the Committee on Military The loss of life is an immense evil, and it has been information has come in, some of it more slowly Affairs. Mr. Burt left this city about the middle so great on the rivers at the West, that many per- than I could wish; but I will say to the honorable
of December. Upon his return home, he was sons so distrust the boats that they actually avoid Senator that I expect in the course of this week to
seized with indisposition, which has continued up them, after all that has been done to prevent ex- present the bill to the Senate, and in that bill there to the present time; and the probability is that the plosions, or to guard against them. I happen to will be a provision for the consideration of the time of his return may be delayed much longer. have stronger convictions on this subject, from the Senate-in the first place for inspecting the iron of It may perhaps relieve the Committee on Military fact, that at one time of my life it was my duty, || which boilers are made; and in the next place for
Affairs from much embarrassment by excusing as a district attorney, to investigate several cases a rigid inspection of boilers, with the application him from further service, so that another genof calamitous explosions, and to go into the de- of a test to show their strength. The whole sub
tleman may occupy that post, and thus enable the tails of an examination as to the manner in which ject, in a word, will be brought under the consid
committee to proceed in the discharge of the duties these certificates were granted; and from the sev- eration of the Senate, with the design of giving the devolving upon it. eral investigations I was engaged in there, I came most ample protection to life and property which
Mr. HOUSTON. I would like to know whether to the conclusion that the system was exceedingly it is in the power of Congress to afford.
such is the wish of the gentleman's colleague? defective; that these certificates of inspection were There being no further proposition to amend,
Mr. ORR. Of course. I should not have made scarcely anything but a mere matter of form, and the question was taken on ordering the bill to be the application, had it not been the desire of my that litile dependence could be placed upon them. engrossed for a third reading, and it was decided colleague. I oppose this bill, because I think that if you in- in the affirmative.
No objection being made, Mr. Burt was excrease the number of inspectors, and appoint them
cused from service, and Mr. FAULKNER, of Virin small places away from these important points
ginia, was appointed to fill the vacancy. where the public attention would be called to them, The Senate proceeded to consider the resolu- MAIL STEAMSHIPS AND MAIL CONTRACTS. and where the public can know something of the tions submitted by Mr. CLARKE, on the 19th ulti- Mr. PEASLEE. I ask the unanimous consent qualifications of the inspectors, and extend the on the subject of non-intervention, (see page of the House to introduce the resolution which I power of appointment to so many other places, so 298,) and the pending amendments proposed by send to the Speaker's table. that it becomes almost a general thing, you will Mr. Seward and Mr. Cass, (see page 310.) The resolution was then read for information, weaken the security which we now have. We The resolutions and the amendments having
as follows: may have confidence in a certificate given at Lou- | been read, Mr. Clarke addressed the Senate at
Resolred, That the Secretary of the Navy be requested isville or New Orleans, where there are experienced length in favor of the views embodied in the reso- to communicate to this House ihe facts in relation to the andable engineers; for in such places they generally | lutions.
respective contracts with the Navy Department for building appoint men whose names are known, and whose Mr. CASS was next recognized by the Chair; mail steamships for the transportation of the United States certificates will give confidence. Although they but, on the motion of Mr. Hamlin, the further
mail between New York and Liverpool, between New York
and New Orleans, Havana and Chagres, and between Panamay haveas competent persons in Arkansas, or at considertiaon of the subject was postponed until
ma and San Francisco, and some point in Oregon: the other places than Louisville, Kentucky, yet their to-morrow.
amount of money which has been advanced and paid each of names are not so well known to the public. So On motion, the Senate proceeded to the consid- said lines of steamships by the Government; also, whether all far from extending this power of appointing in- eration of Executive business; and after some time
the vessels stipnlated under said contracts to be built, have
been so built, or what portion of them ; also, the amount of spectors, I think it should be restricted. I believe spent therein, the doors were reopened, and the
net receipts of postage collected on either of said lines of that whenever any remedy is devised for applica- ll Senate adjourned.
steamers, deposited in the Treasury to the credit of the appro
priations for the annual compensation for the service ren- time and price specified, it would have involved an The question was then taken, and there were dered under their contracts, or which has been appli din pay, ! expenditure by ihis Government to the amount of yeas 60, nays 108, as follows, viz: mentor said annual compensation, pursuant to section 10, of the acts of Congress of August 3, 1848. And whether said about forty millions of dollars, as I understand it.
YEAS-Messrs. Charles Allen, Allison, William Apple. steamships or any other steamships einployed in the trans- Well, sir, one of the principal arguments I have ton, Barrere, Bell, Bennett, Bibighaus, Bowie, John H. portation of our foreign mails are in all respects suitable for understood in favor of these steam lines-both those Boyd, Brenton, Briggs, George H. Brown, E. C. C'abr:11, immediate conversion into steainers for war purposes, capa- for whom we have already appropriated money
Lewis D. Campbell, Chandler, Chapman, Conger, ('urus, ble of carrying the ammunition or battery appropriate w the and for which we will be asked hereafter-was, Giddings, Goodenow, Gondrich, Harper, Hascall
Doty, Duncan, Evans, Fowler, Henry M. Fuller, Geuts, class specified in the contracts; and if int suitable for such immediate conversion, whether they could be altered so as that they were to be built after the most substan- Hebard, Horsford, John W. Howe, Thomas Y. How. Gros to make them efficient war steamers; and if so, what alter- tial approved model of war-steamers; that they
G. King, Mann, Martin, Meacham, Miller, Miner, Newton, ations would be necessary to be made, and at what expense
Samuel W. Parker, Penniinan, Perkins, Porter, Prices are capable of immediate conversion into war. to make thein war steamers of the first class.
Schoolcraf, David L. Seymour, Origen S. Seymour, Slanly, steamers of the first class; that they are always Benjamin Śtanton, Stratton, Strother, Taylor, Thurst, Mr. GORMAN. I object to the introduction ready, with but little expense of time and money, Washburn, Watkins, Welsh, Wells, and Addison White of the resolution. for cases of emergency, and that it would be the
NAYS-Messrs. Abercrombie, Willis Allen, Andrews, Mr. PEASLEE. I move that the rules of the most economical ineans the Government could re
Averell, Babcock, David J. Bailey, Thomas H. Baute, House be suspended to enable me to introduce it. sort to for the purpose of keeping up our Navy. Beale, Bocock, Albert G. Brown, Buell, Busby, Jos. Cable,
Mr. SMART demanded the yeas and nays; It is said, upon the other hand, by some gentle- Caldwell, Thompson Campbell, Cartter, Carkie, Chastain, which were not ordered. men, that these steamers, or a larger portion of
Clark, Clinginan, Cobb, Daniel, John G. Davis, Dawsoa, Mr. PEASLEE demanded tellers; which were
Dean, Dimmick, Disney, Dockery, Eastman, Edmundson, them, are not capable of being converted into war
Ewing, Faulkner, Ficklin, Fitch, Floyd, Freeman, 6 2013ordered, and Messrs. SMART and Williams were steamers of the first class-ihat they cannot be ble, Gaylord, Gorman, Green, Grey, Grow, Hall, Isham G. appointed.
converted even into inefficient steamers for our Harris, Sampson W. Harris, Hart, Hendricks, Henn, Hibe The question was then taken, and the tellers purposes without great expense of time and mon- bard, Holladay, Houston, Hiward, Ives, Andrew Johnson,
James Johnson, John Johnson, Robert W. Johnson, Geu. reported—ayes 75, noes 33; no quorum. ey, and that they are incapable of carrying, or of
W. Jones, J. Glancy Jones, Kurtz, Letcher, Lockhart, Mr. CLINGMAN, I will ask a recount-there being made capable of carrying, the armament Mace, McCorkle, McLanaban, McMullin, McNair, Me is a quorum in the House. and batieries, and that, being constructed princi
Queen, Millson, Molony, Morehead, Murphy, Muras, There being no objection, the question was pally with a view to speed and the carriage of pas
Nabers, Olds, Orr, Quuaw, Peaslec, Penn, Polk, Powell,
Rantouí, Riddie, Robie, Robinson, Savage, Scurry, Smart, again taken, and decided in the affirmative, the sengers, they cannot, at any rate, be made war
Smith, Frederick P. Stanton, Richard H. Stanton, Ahr'a tellers having reported-ayes 95, noes 27; and the steamers of ihe first class, and would, in fact, be of P. Stevens, Alexander H. Stepbens, Stone, St. Martin, rules were accordingly suspended. little or no use to the Government. How these facts
Stuart, Sutherland, Sweetser, George W. Thompin, Mr. PEASLEE. I move that the rules be sus
Townshend, Venable, Wallace, Ward, Alexander White, may be, I do not undertake to say; but I wish to
Wilcox, Wildrick, Williams, and Woodward.–108. pended that the resolution may be considered to- have the information from a responsible and reliday, that motion being necessary, as this is a cali able source, that I, and the rest of the House, when his name was called, asked the unanimous
Mr. INGERSOLL, who was without the bar for information, which the rule requires shall lie may be able to act more understandingly upon over one day.
consent to record his vote in the negative. Objetthis subject. I am unwilling, with all the informThe SPEAKER. The practice adopted by ation I have been enabled to obtain, to vote to
tion was made, and the permission not granted. the Chair has been, in such cases, to take the vote bind this Government in contracts with individu
So the rules were not suspended. after the rules were suspended, upon the adoption als which may involve the expenditure of millions
Mr. CLARK. I rise to what I understand to of any resolution calling for information; and for and millions of dollars to extend a system, to say
be a point of order. I ask if this is not resolution its adoption the Chair has required a two-thirds the least of it, of doubtful expediency, when our
day? vote; otherwise he would feel it his duty to de- commerce has grown up to be second to no na
The SPEAKER. It is. clare the resolution disagreed to under the rule tion in the world, without any such aid. It has a
Mr. CLARK. I hope the day will be employed
in that way. requiring the resolution to lay over one day. monopolizing and partial tendency, and I am unMr. JONES, of Tennessee. I move to suspend willing to vote millions and millions of dollars for
The SPEAKER. It is also in order, the Chair the rule which requires the resolution to lie over such a system, unless I am confident that it is one will inform the gentleman, to move to suspend the one day, as the House having suspended the rules which will inure to the benefit of the Government;
rules, and to ask the unanimous consent of the for its introduction, I apprehend ihere will be no that these steamers are in fact what they are rep
House to introduce resolutions. objection to its being now considered. resented to be—of being capable of conversion
DISTRIBUTION OF ARMS. The question was then taken, and the rules were immediately into war-steamers of the first class. Mr. HOWARD asked the unanimous consent suspended.
Mr. OLDS. I should like to inquire of the of the House to introduce the following resoluMr. JONES. I move to strike out the word gentleman, if his resolution calls for copies of the tion: requested, "and in its stead to insert the word contracts ?
Resolved, that the Committee on Military Affairs he in“ directed. That is the language of the rule. Mr. PEASLEE. It calls for the facts in rela- structed to inquire into the expediency af distributing arts
Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. I wish the tion to the contracts, but not copies of the con- to the new Siates and Territories, as recommended in the gentleman from New Hampshire [Mr. PEASLEE)
annual report of the Secretary of War. tracts. would inform the House as to his object in making Mr. OLDS. It is important that we should
There being no objection, the question was this call. When these calls are made upon the have them; and I hope the gentleman will embrace
taken, and the resolution was adopted. Department it requires a great deal of time, labor, li them in his call.
WIDOW OF GENERAL BELKNAP. and extra clerk bire, and I want to know, before Mr. PEASLEE. I have no objection to an Mr. HARPER asked the unanimous consent of we make this call imposing additional duty, its amendment of that kind. I will not detain the
the House to offer the following resolution: object. House longer. My only object is to obtain light
Resnived, That the Committee on Invalid Pension be Mr. PEASLEE. It seemed to me, from the and information upon the subject, which it seems instructed to inquire into the expediency of providing by large amount of money we have already expended to me to be of the deepest importance to the Treas- law for the support of the widow of the late Brigadier Gehin connection with these steamers, the applications ury and country, and which can do no harm, and eral Belknap. we had at the last Congress, which we have al- which may enable us to act more understandingly There being no objection, the question was then ready had at this, and which we may have here- upon this subject, and be of much benefit.
taken, and the resolution adopted. after, that the subject was of consequence enough Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. I am in favor Mr. WASHBURN asked the unanimous confor the House to obtain all the light and informa- of the resolution, for the reasons assigned by the sent of the House to present the petition of John tion possible, from the most responsible and reli- gentleman, and concur most heartily with his A. Poor and others, of the Executive Committee able sources, to enable them to act understand
if I heard him correctly, in regard to these of the State of Maine, and members of the coringly. If I understand right, we are annually steamships.
poration of the European and North American appropriating $1,300,000 for the support of our The SPEAKER. The question is on the amend Railroad, for aid to said work. ocean mail steamer service. Applications have ment proposed by the gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. STANLY objected. already been made from these lines for additional (Mr. Jones.)
Mr. WASHBURN. I move a suspension of compensation. The amount of money which we Mr. PEAŚLEE. I have no objection to the the rules for the purpose. shall be compelled to pay under the present con- modification, if it is in order to accept it. I also Mr. STANLY. Can it not be introduced untract, if the contractors perform their service ac- accept the modification of the gentleman from Ohio, der the rules ? cording to their requirements without giving addi- (Mr. Olds.)
Mr. WASHBURN. I can present it under the tional compensation, or the establishment of any The question was then taken on the adoption of rules, but I choose to present it in this way; and new lines, will be about ten millions of dollars- the resolution; and it was agreed to.
inasmuch as it comes from the Executive of before their expiration during the seven or eight years which they have to run. There were appli
THE TARIFF OF 1846.
Maine, I desire to have it printed.
Mr. FICKLIN. Is it an act of the Legislature: cations at the last session of Congress, and I doubt
Mr. WELCH asked the unanimous consent of Mr. WASHBURN. It is a petition in behalf not that there have been already, and will be for the House to introduce the following resolution: of the State of Maine. a much larger number this, for the establishment Resolved, that the Committee of Ways and Means are Mr. FICKLIN. It is not customary to pubof thirteen additional mail steamers for our for- instructed to report a bill modifying and altering the tariff of lish these petitions? eign mail service, involving an outlay, in the first
1846, by substituting, wherever practicable, specific for ad instance, to assist in building the ships, of six valorem duties, with such rates of duty as will yield suffi
The question was then taken; and a count beand a half millions of dollars, and an expenditure
cient revenue; and with such discriminations in favor of ing had, there were-ayes 76, noes 46.
iron and other articles of domestic manufacture and pro- Mr. WASHBURN demanded tellers; which of two millions of dollars annually afierwards. ductions, as will afford adequate protection to the labor of
were ordered. This is in addition to those already established, our own citizens against foreign competition.
Mr. CABELL, of Florida. I ask if this is not and without any additional compensation. If the Mr. THOMPSON, of Virginia, objected. a memorial which may be presented under the contracts had been entered into according to the Mr. WELCH moved a suspension of the rules rules? Some gentlemen say it is, and others it is propositions made at the last session of Congress, | to enable him to introduce the resolution.
not, strenuously urged and enforced upon the House, Mr. BOCOCK demanded the yeas and nays; Mr. SMART. It may be presented, but canand which, I have no doubt, will be at this, for the which were ordered.
not be printed under the rules.
Mr. CABELL. If it can be presented under Mr. LANE. I hold in my hand a number of of in the manner provided for in the resoluthe rules, I am opposed to it.
petitions and memorials from the Legislative As. tion. Mr. WASHBURN. It may be presented un- sembly of Oregon, upon this subject, which I Mr. DISNEY. With the permission of the der the rules; but inasmuch as it is an elaborate would ask to have read, but that it would consume gentleman from Oregon, I desire to explain what petition, drawn up by the Executive Committee of too much of the time of the House. I will, how- is the precise effect of the resolution. I have just the State of Maine with great care, I desire to ever, give some reasons why the resolution ought read it, and it is merely an inquiry of the Presihase it printed.
to pass to-day. We have to furnish troops for ident, as to what steps have been taken for the proThe question was then taken, (Messrs. Brown, || the protection of this route within less than two tection of the emigrant; and if no steps have been of Mississippi, and Fuller, of Maine, acting as months from to-day, or it cannot be done in time taken, it requests him to make that disposition of tellers,) and there were-ayes 73, noes 53. to protect the emigrants who will go out the ensu- the rifle regiment. GRANT'S CHANNEL THROUGH SHELL REEF.
ing season. By that time the people bound for Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. But there is a Mr. BROWN, of Mississippi, asked the unan
Oregon will be on the road. Can we get the mat- second clause in the resolution, which directs the imous consent of the House to offer the following | have a bill passed through both Houses of Con- placed along the line.
ter before the Committee on Military Affairs and President to cause a portion of this regiment to be resolution:
gress for raising and organizing a force, and get Several MEMBERS. Resoired, That the Secretary of the Treasury be instructed
“ Read the resolution." to inquire into and report to this House the advantages re
chat force on the road in time for the protection to The resolution was again read. sulting to the commerce of the United States, and to the which these American citizens are entitled? It is Mr. CABELL. The gentleman from Oregon mail service of the United States, from the opening of a only very recently-within the last few years, now will see that I was correct in saying that the channel, by John Grant, Esq., through the Shell Reef, lying that the Indians have become very troublesome on latter clause of the resolution directs the President between Dauphin Island and Cedar Point, in Mobile county,
in this matter. Alabama; and further, what tonnage said Grant is now allowed by law to charge vessels navigating said channel, But that time has passed away. Lately the In- Mr. LANE. That clause is predicated upon how long his right to charge said tonnage will continue, and dians have committed greater depredations than the supposition, that the troops will be ordered to whether it would be advantageous to the United States to
Even within the last twelve months they Oregon. In that case, it requests the President to purchase the right of said Grant; and, if so, at what cost the purchase may be effected.
have been successful in killing a great many women place a portion, as will be found necessary, upon Mr. CARTTER objected. and children. The last Congress passed a law the emigrant road, and a portion upon the great
road leading from Oregon to California. I desire Mr. BROWN. I move a suspension of the making donations and grants of lands to the setrules, to enable me to introduce the resolution. It is inducing them to emigrate thither. And now' great roads leading to Oregon on which any dan
tlers and emigrants to that country, and thereby to say to the House, that there can be but two but a resolution of inquiry into a matter of great ask, is it not right and proper that they should afimportance to the commerce of the country, and
ger is to be apprehended—such is the shape of the I therefore hope the House will indulge me.
ford them protection? The gentleman from Ten- country; one road leads directly from St. Joseph, The question was then put, and the motion was
nessee [Mr. Jones) says this resolution ought to via Fort Hall, to the Dalles on ihe Columbia, and agreed to.
go to the Committee on Military Affairs. He says, upon that road the Indians are the most warlıke So the rules were suspended, and the resolution
let them consider the matter and report a bill. Let and ferocious in their habits. They are well armed was introduced.
me tell that gentleman that this regiment of troops and fierce. Mr. BROWN moved to suspend the rule re
was raised by order of Congress for that especial Mr. HEBARD. I desire to ask the gentleman quiring a resolution of inquiry to lay over one
purpose. The rifle regiment
was, if I mistake not, a question? : day; which motion was agreed to.
raised especially for the Oregon service. But it Mr. LANE. I beg the gentleman's pardon, but The question recurring on the adoption of the
was raised in the time of the Mexican war; and, I have about so much to say, and I don't like to resolution, it was put, and the resolution was
instead of sending them to Oregon, as was contem- be interrupted. agreed to
plated, they were sent to Mexico, where they did Mr. HÉBARD. I have but a word to say.
good service. When they returned from Mexico The gentleman is aware, that by the Constitution, ARMY ON THE ROUTE TO OREGON.
che President, in consideration of the fact that the President is made the commander-in-chief of Mr. LANE, by unanimous consent, offered the they had been diverted from the purpose for which the Army and disposer of our military forces. following resolution; which was considered, and
they were raised, thought it right to extend to them Now, I desire to ask the gentleinan, whether he agreed to:
the privilege of a discharge. They were discharged, ever called upon the President and requested him Resolred, That the President of the United States be
but it was recruited again, and in recruiting it was to make this disposition of the troops ? requested to communicate to the House what steps, it'any, have been taken to insure the protection of emigrants en
held out as a special inducement, that they should Mr. LANE. It gives me great pleasure to anroute to Oregon, against the depredations of the Indians of be employed in the Oregon service. I think that swer the gentleman. I did call upon the President that Territory; and in case no such steps have been taken was the understanding between the Government in person, and then I addressed him a letter; and for that purpose, that he be requested to cause the regi- and those who were recruited. They were sent if the House will allow me, I will read that letter. ment of Mounted Rifles to be placed upon duty within the Territory of Oregon-the service for which said troops
to Oregon, but before they had had time to render A copy of it was furnished to Senator Gwin, who were created-and that he cause a portion of said regiment any service there they were ordered away. Now read it in a speech upon the defences of California to be posted upon the main emigrant road from St. Joseph, the service of that regiment belonged to Oregon, and Oregon the other day. It was published in on the Missouri, between Fort Hall and the Dalls of the Columbia river, and the remainder thereof to be posted in
and to no other portion of the United States. I the debaes of the Senate, and I now have a copy the Rogue river Valley, on the road from Oregon to Cali
am aware that the President of the United States of the Union in my draw containing it. fornia, said troops being necessary for the protection of is Commander-in-Chief of the Army; and I do not [Mr. BARRERE, from the Committee on Enemigrants and others traveling said 'road.
desire to infringe upon his privileges or his author- | rolled Bills, here interposed, and presented as corMr. HAVEN. I rise to move a reconsidera- | ity. I do not ask the House to do that. Alll rectly enrolled, tion of the vote by which that resolution was just ask is, for the House to request him respectfully A bill to carry into execution, in further part, now adopted. I do it for the purpose of calling to grant to the people of Oregon just what is their | the twelfth article of the treaty with Mexico, conthe attention of the House to the fact, that the due; and to the people who are traveling to Oregon, | cluded at Guadalape Hidalgo; and resolution seems to give directions to the President what they are entitled to, protection. Is it right, An act for the relief of American citizens lately of the United States with reference to the mode I ask, to have an extent of country two thousand imprisoned and pardoned by the Queen of Spain.) of employing the military forces of the United miles in length, running through the Indian coun- Mr. HOWARD. I wish to ask the gentleman States. If this be so-and I am not sure that it try, running through the lands of some of the most one question. I wish to ask whether this regiis, for I did not hear the resolution distinctly-it fierce and barbarous tribes of Indians upon the ment has not been ordered to the frontiers of New seems to me that the resolution ought not to be face of the earth, who will attack and cripple the Mexico and Texas, as a mounted regiment, by passed.
cattle and teams, and then capture or kill the trav- the Secretary of War, upon the ground that it Mr. WILLIAMS. Let the resolution be read. elers themselves-I say, is it right to have this was not adapted to service in Oregon--that in that The Clerk read the resolution.
whole extent of country entirely without protec- l country mounted troops were not as efficient as Mr. HAVEN. I have nothing to add to what tion? The reasons are plain to my mind. No infantry? I desire also to know if the gentleman I said before the resolution was read. Unless time should be lost. This matter ought at once now wishes to change the plan of operations in the there is some explanation other than what appears to be settled—this resolution ought to be passed military department of the Government, and order, on the face of the resolution, it does seem to me immediately, and let the President direct the ritle at great expense, a regiment to return to Oregon? that it would be indiscreet on the part of the House regiment which was raised especially for that ser
Mr. HEBARD. I desire to know what answer to allow the vote to stand. I move to reconsider vice to march at once for Oregon.
the President returned to the application of the the vote by which the resolution was agreed to. Mr. CABELL, of Florida. Will the gentleman | gentleman from Oregon. I do not care about
Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. I would suggest | allow me to ask him one question? Do I under- having the letter read. to the gentleman from Oregon to allow the vote to stand that this resolution requests or directs the
Mr. LANE. If gentlemen will permit me to be reconsidered, and instead of calling upon the President to make this disposition of that regiment? have the letter read, I then will answer both the President and giving him the directions therein Mr. LANE. It requests him.
inquiries of the gentleman from Texas, (Mr. specified, refer the subject to the Committee on Mr. CABELL. The resolution goes on to di- | Howard,) and the gentleman from Vermont, (Mr. Military Affairs, and let them inquire into what rect that a portion of the troops shall be placed | HEBARD.) has been done and what it may be necessary to do, upon the line, if I understand it correctly. What The letter was then read by the Clerk, as folin order to protect the emigrants on that route. It I want to know is, whether it is the intention of lows: would be a very strange mode of proceeding, it the resolution to direct the President, in his dispo
WASHINGTON City, December 12, 1851. seems to me, for this House to direct the Presi- sition of the United States troops, or whether it is To his Excellency the President of the United States : dent how he shall dispose of the army, or any merely a request! If it is the latter, I have no ob
SiR : A sense of duty prompts me to call your early at
tention to the peculiar condition of things in Oregon. I portion of it. And certainly, if what is there im- || jection to it, but if it is an order, I shall protest
have been a citizen of that Territory for near three years; hodied is to be done at all, it should be done by against it. I protest against directing, or ordering, have traveled the settled portion of it all over; had much joint resolution of Congress, and not by one House. the President in this manner, by any single branch to do with the Indians, and know them, perhaps, as well as I think it would be better to reconsider the vote of Congress.
any other man, and understand the wants of the American
citizens there, and can say to you, that for their protection and let the resolution go to the Committee on Mili- Mr. LANE. It is simply a request. But I
and for the protection of others emigrating there, that lary Affairs.
desire to explain why I want the troops disposed || troops to be garrisoned on the great road from St. Joseph
via Fort Hall to the Dalles of the Columbia, and also on the do it? They could do it; but recollect that every
seat of Indian troubles, the whole outside selle. road from Oregon to California, are absolutely indispensable
man's time there is worth five dollars a day to ments would have been crushed. But they gave for the protection of life and property. I know that I need but call your attention to the condition of things there, and him. Now, if you want to raise a force you must
the Indians a severe fogging and a severe chaspresent ihe facts within my knowledge, to secure your aid first say to the volunteer that you will give him tisement, such a one as has kept them, up to the and prompt action in the premises. The suffering this sea- five dollars a day, and find him horse, arms, and present time, in that quarter, apparently friendly, son for the want of troops to protect emigrants and others en route to Oregon, and from Oregon to California, has
equipment. And is that Territory, with only though they have killed a few whites since; but been terrible; and certainly this Government ought and
three thousand voters, able to do that, and can that is so frequent an occurrence that we hardly will, I have no doubt, afford protection to her citizens in a they extend to the country the protection which think of asking this Government to avenge it. country so remote and exposed as are all persons traveling it ought to have? Why induce people to go there! The killing of one or two men is no unusual thing either on the einigrant road to Oregon or on the road from
Since I have been here I have received thousands there; but we take care of these comparatively Oregon to California. There are but these two road's south of the Columbia on which troubles are to be apprehended. of letters making inquiries about Oregon, and small disturbances ourselves. But when it is eviThe shape of the country, with its stupendous mountains, making known to me that certain persons in the dent that there is a general hostility, as there is are insurmountable barriers to the location of roads of in
neighborhood of the writers were making prepa- now, it is the imperative duty of the Government portance. A garrison of two or three companies of horseone of infantry, if a mounted force cannot be had-on each
rations to start for Oregon. And every man who to interpose and give us aid. of these roads at the Grand Round, for instance, on the has made up his mind to go there this year must Now, while I am speaking of that Indian war emigrant or northern road, and in the Rogue River Valley, leave the settlements soon, and be at Si. Joseph, || in which Captain Stewart fell, I would like to say on the California, or southern road. The moral influence
with everything necessary for oufit on the way, by to South Carolinians, of which State he was a pathat the establishment of the posts would produce upon the minds of the Indians would do much towards keeping peace
the first of May next. Can we begin, at this late | tive, that he was an ornament to that gallani State; with them, and afford the protection to American citizens moment, to authorize the raising of the force re- that he was the best officer of his age in the Amerthat they are so justly entitied to.
quired, arm it, and get it ready in time to render | ican Army, and more familiar with the duties of it may be well here to mention, that the road from Ore
them the necessary assistance?' No, sir, we can- an officer than any young man in the Army. He gon to California forks in the Rogue River Valley; the main road passes south of the great Shasti Mountain to the source
not; and if we fail to do it, what will be the result? had distinguished himself in every battle he was of the Sacramento, thence down that river to its great val- Let me tell you, it will be the tomahawking, in in in Mexico-and he was in nearly all of themley, and to Sacramento City; the north branch passes by the most cruel and barbarous manner, of the men, and fell fighting for the people otOregon. I learned, Clainath Lake to Fort Hall. A small party of emigrants have gone that route this season and got in safely. This
women, and children, and helpless families, who | about the time of his death, that a portion of his route was opened by Jesse Applegate, Scott and others, in have been induced to go to Oregon, and that, too, salary was annually or quarterly devoted to the the year 1846, for the purpose of affording to emigrants a after a regiment has been raised for the specific benefit of his mother, now, I learn, living in this pass into the southern portion of Oregon; but such was the
purpose of protecting them. Why should it be District. I hope that some friend of that man will suffering of the first emigrants on this route that it has been
ordered to Texas? I am not sure that such an but little traveled since, but will, I have no doubt, be much
take care to propose that a pension be granted to traveled if a garrison should be established in Rogue River
order has been made. If it has been, I ask, in the that mother; a mother who bore such a noble son Valley, as above suggested.
name of the people who will be exposed to Indian is entitled, in my opinion, to the benefit of a penI have been thus explicit, in order that you may under- depredations, that it be countermanded, and let sion. stand the condition and wants of the country which I have the honor to represent, with the full belief that you will
the regiment go to Oregon, where it should go, But I am wandering from the subject. Now, take such steps as may be necessary to give protection to
and where it is the duty of the President to send as to the resolution, if there is anything in it, any the citizens there, and emigrants and others, traveling to it. If he fails to do it, I shall never cease to say wording of it that is not just right, I am willing and from Oregon. Herewith I enclose two communications from Oregon for
that, in my judgment, he has failed to do his duty. to change it. I do not ask to direct the President your perusal, which you will please return to ine. One of
I am sure it will be wrong to divert that regiment of the United States. He is the Commander-inihe writers I am well acquainied with, (Mr. Applegate, one
from that country.
The regiment arrived in Chief of the Army of the United States, and I do of the early settlers of Oregon.) lie has done much to Oregon at a time and under circumstances the not want to abridge his authority. I want to rebring the country into requisition, by exploring, opening
most unfavorable. It was just at the time of quest him simply. If the word request is not in roads, &c., &c.; a sensible, reliable man. With Mr. Simons I have no acquaintance, but have no doubt of the
the breaking out of the great gold excitement, the resolution, I want it inserted. I want to draw truth of his narrative.
and in the midst of that excitement many of the the attention of the President to it, and request With great respect, I am, sir, your obedient servant, privates abandoned the service, disgraced them- | him, in the most respectful manner, to extend to
selves by forsaking their flag and going off in the people of Oregon Territory that protection Mr. LANE resumed. I called upon the Presi- search of gold. But a portion of them did not which they are entitled to, and that he will send dent in person, and the House is aware that he is desert, and a sufficient number were left to afford out that regiment to Oregon, which was raised by of the opinion that the army is too small to afford all the protection necessary for that country. They a law of Congress for that service. Now, to un. all the protection that is necessary for that coun- said, We have enlisted for this service, and will dertake to raise a regiment, and get them on the try, and that he has recommended an increase of remain and serve out our time, get our discharge, ground in time to protect emigrants this year, is the army. I called upon the Secretary of War and then become citizens of this country. While out of the question. No such thing can be done, recently relative to this matter, and asked him if the regiment was in that condition, and able to If members of this House are willing to afford any troops could be sent to that country to afford render service to the country, and afford the pro- this protection, they must request the President, or protection to the emigrants bound to Oregon this tection we needed, they were ordered from that the President must do it withont request, to send season? I have received no definite answer from country to this; and from what the gentleman from out some troops now in the field, and who are either of them. The President feels friendly dis- | Texas' [Mr. HOWARD) now says, I suppose it is regularly in the service. posed towards that country, and I have no doubt now ordered to Texas, and is upon the way thither. If you let it go this year, there is no certainty he is anxious to do his duty. I make no charges | If so, it is all wrong. A portion of that regiment, l of getting them the next; and when will we get at all. But I charge that the rifle regiment has contrary to justice, contrary to law, in my judg. that protection our citizens need and demand: I been diverted from the purpose for which it was ment-I am no lawyer, but if I make a declaration am satisfied myself, that the Army is sufficiently raised and organized. It ought not to have been which is not warranted, I wish some good lawyer large for all purposes. Is there not more troops ordered to Texas, if it has been done.
to correct me, I say a portion of that regiment, stationed along the Southern States than are I say to the gentleman from Texas, (Mr. How-raised for service in the Oregon Territory, before needed there? Why are troops needed in the old ARD,) that if an order has been issued from the they were ordered out of it, were transferred from States of the Union: Why not send them where Department here, ordering that regiment to Tex- that regiment into the dragoon service, and ordered they will be on duty, affording protection to the as, it ought not to have been done. It was not into California. That was, in my judgment, a unsettled portions of our country? Or is it that raised for Texan service, or for the protection of violation of the contract between the Government Oregon is too far off, and nothing is cared for the the boundary between Mexico and the United and the soldier, and would, I have no doubt, have people out there? I am satisfied that there are States; and I can say another thing to the gentle entitled him to his discharge, if he had taken the enough in the regular Army, properly distributed, man from Texas, that they there are not in the proper steps for that purpose in due time. Never- to afford all the protection that Texas may need, exposed condition as are the people of Oregon, theless, the transfer for the time being was for- | without cailing upon her gallant sons to turn out, and as are the people of the Siates on their way tunate for us, because it gave us their invaluable and to defend themselves. That, however, they there; and I know that it is an easy matter in Tex-services a few weeks longer than we would have have been in the habit of doing ever since an as to raise a force in sufficient numbers to whip had them if they had gone off with the rifles. It American lived there. They are enough to afford all the Indians who may make any attempt upon happened to be just at the time the troubles broke protection to Texas, and also to emigrants en route their settlements. I know there is no State more out among the Rogue river Indians, when our for Oregon. Why not let the rifles come to Oregallant, or a people more ady to turn out on duty people were being murdered by them, when they gon—let the troops who have enlisted for that serat a moment's warning, than the people of Texas. were thus transferred from the rifles to the dragoon vice serve out their time there? Now, let me again I know their ability to defend themselves, and that service. The troops thus transferred consisted ask that the resolution be amended so as to make all they want is to know that their services are of two companies, one commanded by Captain the resolution read "request" instead of " direct,' needed, and they are ready to go out and de- | Walker, the other by the gallant and lamented wherever it may occur. I trust the vote to reconstroy the Indians. But how is it with Oregon? Stewart, who, after covering himself with unfading sider will not prevail. In that portion of Oregon, for which I ask laurels in Mexico, unfortunately fell in that distant Mr. BAYLY, of Virginia, obtained the floor, protection, there is not any settlements within land, in defence of his exposed countrymen. The | but gave way to seven hundred miles. The population even in the people of Oregon will ever cherish his memory, Mr. HEBARD. I wish to say that the inquiry settled portion of Oregon is small; and can this and I hope and believe they will, as they ought, I made of the gentleman from Oregon, was not House for a moment expect them to raise a force erect a monument to perpetuate it.
dictated by any unfriendly feelings towards the of five hundred or even three hundred men, and Those troops, the whole being under the com- purposes of his resolution, but it was to see what send them out with subsistance seven hundred mand of Major Kearny, moved in the direction position we were placing ourselves in with refermiles from a settlement: Emigrants bound to of the Indian troubles; and it was my fortune, ence to the subject before us , and in relation to the Oregon, when once within the settlements, are as with a few gallant Oregonians, to fall in with them | President. The objection with me is not what the safe as they would be in Washington city. But then, also including some brave volunteer Califor- ' gentleman himself supposes it to be. It is not be look at the district of country they are to pass nians, and witness and participate in the service cause it is not sufficiently indicative of a request, over to get there; and who is to give them pro- which followed. But for those troops, who re- but because I regard a requuest here even as imtection? Can the people of Oregon turn out and mained only two weeks in the country, and at the Il proper as a direction. I did'n ot pay much attention the power.
to the resolution when it was introduced and have no information. It is the duty of the Presi- the eighth military division, and great expense has adopted in the first instance, from the confusion dent to protect the frontier, to protect our emi- been incurred in their removal. You propose, upon in the Hall. When my attention was again called grants, to protect our distant settlers; and I have no a simple resolution, to order their second removal, to it by the motion to reconsider the vote, it oc- idea of this House interposing to relieve him from thus incurring a double expense. If you undertake curred to me that we were acting entirely in the any of his responsibility, by directing him in this that, you ought at least to do whai you failed to dark. It is utterly improper, and I regard the matter. Well, sir, what will be the result? Just as "do at the last session of Congress, give the Quarmaking of a request of the President upon an im- certain as the sun will rise to-morrow, if you pass termaster's Department sufficient money whereportant matter like this as equivalent to a direc- this resolution directing the rifle regiment to be with to operate upon the frontier in defence of the tion. I ask gentlemen bere how, we stand with posted as the gentleman from Oregon suggests, it country. reference to the President of the United States in will be made the excuse for asking the addition of It appears now, from the report
the Secretary making a request of him to do an important act one or two regiments to our forces. This matter of War, that the Quartermaster's Department is when we ourselves know nothing about his ability was gone over at the last session of Congress, and I destitute of funds and is in debt, and it also to do that act or its propriety? There is the diffi. agree with the gentleman from Oregon, whose abil. | appears that he cannot protect the frontier, for the culty in the resolution. It is not that it is couched ity and experience has confirmed me in the truth very reason that he has no money in the Quarin disrespectful terms; it is not that it is a direction, l' of the opinion I expressed at the last Congress, termaster's Department with which he can mount but the objection with me is, that we are requesting that we have army enough if properly posted; but and move troops, and with which he can make a the President to do that of which we ourselves it is not for this House to say where they shall be disposition of any portion of the Army. It strikes have no information, of which we know nothing posted. Congress have not the information, nor me, it would be a far more useful inquiry to ask of the facts either as regards his ability or the pro
of the Committee of Ways and Means, why they priety of doing the action. It is with that view I Mr. HOWARD. After the statement of the bare not, before this late day, reported the defihope the vote upon the adoption of the resolution honorable Delegate from Oregon, [Mr. Lane,] ciency bill required by the estimates of the Secrewill be reconsidered. If the gentleman has applied must be apparent to the House what the object of tary of War, thus providing for the necessary to the President to do this very thing, and he this resolution is. It is to overrule, if not by the wants of the Army. neglected to do it, the gentleman, without any direction of the House, at least by its opinion, the Mr. DUNHAM. I do not wish to interrupt information upon which to base our action, comes action of the President, as Commander-in-Chief of the gentleman, but these estimates were reserred forward and requests him to do it. I want to Army, or the Secretary of War, in relation to the on the 13th of last month. know if it is not implying indirectly a censure posting of the Army. To say nothing of the Mr. HOWARD. If these estimates were reupon the President? li is presumed that if he power to which the honorable gentleman from ferred in this House on the 13th of last month, it knows his duty he will discharge it. If we know Virginia (Mr. BAYLY) has adverted to do this, in seems to me that between the Committee of Ways it better than he does, we must have facts upon the absence of all inquiry and information, it is at and Means and the printing of the House, there which to base our action. I think we are acting least a most extraordinary proceeding. Why have has been a perfect stop-law to all the business. improperly in requesting-in directing action upon these troops been ordered, not from Oregon, but Mr. DUNHAM. That may be all true; but it the part of the President which he has declined to California? The Secretary of War has told you cannot be expected for the Committee of Ways and take himself--all the responsibility resting with that mounted troops are unnecessary in Oregon; | Means to act upon the estimates sent io the him, unless some better reason is furnished tban that mounted troops cannot operate in Oregon and i Speaker's table, before they are printed and sent has been suggested.
California with as much facility as elsewhere; that to the committee. They will act upon them when Mr. BAYLY, of Virginia. My objection to they are not adapted to that service.
in their hands; and if the gentleman wants a the resolution does not grow out of the object at Mr. LANE. "If the gentleman from Texas will remedy, he must find it there, and not in the which the gentleman from Oregon seems to aim. allow me, I will put him right in relation to that Committee of Ways and Means. I have no doubt that it is entirely proper that Or- matter. No troops are fit for Indian service but Mr. HOWARD. When the public interest egon, and that the emigrants upon their way to mounted ones. What was the description of force demands immediate action and immediate approOregon, should be protected. li is not from any | with which Major Kearny operated? What was priation; when the whole frontier is in a state of doubt of the correctness of the gentleman upon the kind of force commanded by Capt. Stuart when warfare and bloodshed, it strikes me, the Comthat point I oppose this resolution, but my oppo- he was killed? I was with them a short time after mittee of Ways and Means could act upon a matsition grows out of a matter of principle. This the captain fell, and recollect of making a march ter which embraces no more than six pages of House alone has nothing to do with posting the of fifty miles in a day, and having in that several printed matter. They could act upon these estiarmy. The two Houses of Congress have noth- skirmishes. Could men on foot have done that? mates without their being printed at all. ing io do with it. The Congress of the United We galloped into an Indian town and knocked Mr. DUNHAM. I would like to ask the States can raise and support an army, but the down every Indian that could be seen, and then gentleman if they have authority to do that, when President of the United States is the Commander- went in a gallop to the next town, and after over the House have ordered these estimates to be in-Chief of the Army; and we have no authority running thal, we went to the next, and in that printed ? upon the face of the earth-the two Houses of manner they conquered in two weeks the most fe- Mr. HOWARD. At whose instance were they Congress have no authority-to give any direc- rocious and warlike Indians in Oregon Territory. I ordered to be printed? Was it at the instance of tion in respect to the posting of the army. That This was done by troops raised ior the Oregon the Committee of Ways and Means? The motion is a matter which belongs exclusively to the Com- | service, and who had been transferred to the dra- | proceeds from the Committee of Ways and Means, mander-in-Chief of the Army. Why, sir, even in goon
service. I will say to the gentleman from or one of its members, and neither is it strictly time of war the Congress of the United States have Texas, that none but mounted troops can operate true, because they are ordered to be printed that no jurisdiction in respect to the Army except to there. Infantry will not do there except to gar- l they must remain forever in the hands of the raise and support it.
rison a post. These troops did good service in printer, unless he chooses to execute the printMr. LANE. I will state to my friend that the Mexico. Mounted, as they were, they could gal- ing. resolution does not direct the President, it only re- lop a whole day, as did the Texas troops, and on Mr. HOUSTON. The gentleman from Texas the next fight three or four Indian battles.
(Mr. HOWARD) is laboring under an error, when Mr. BAYLY. I do not think, so far as the Mr. HOWARD. I do not pretend to set up he says that the deficiency estimates were referred question of principle is concerned, that that alters my knowledge of the character of the country in early in the last month. The deficiency estimates,
We make a request where we have no Oregon to that of the Delegate of that Territory; || as far as his appropriation is concerned, were preauthority to act, and that request is addressed to but what I said was this, that the Commander-in sented to this House some time in January, but one who has the authority, and who is responsi- Chief of the Army, and the Secretary of War'they have not reached the Committee of Ways ble. I shall not comment upon the views which had decided that that country was not adapted to and Means in full yet. I have the estimates that have been already presented, that we have not in- mounted troops, but that infantry was a better have been printed and furnished to the Committee formation upon the subject, because my opposi- || species of force. Now, by a resolution of this of Ways and Means, but the majority of the memtion does not grow out of the matter of expediency House we undertake to overrule that opinion and bers of that committee have not received them yet. nor propriety, but out of the question of power. to order back to Oregon a regiment which has been The gentleman says we can act upon the manuI was about to say when I yielded to the gentle- ordered from California to the frontier of Texas script communication thai has been made to this man from Oregon, that even in time of war the and New Mexico. It strikes me that this ought House. We do not get possession of the manuauthority of Congress over the Army is confined pot to be done, and that it would be presumption script copy, and we have not the right to it. It is to the raising and subsisting of it. This was a in this House, without investigation, to overrule ordered by the House to be taken to the printers“ matter carefully considered in the Convention both the Presidentand the Secretary of War in rela- it is taken there, and there it lies, which adopted our Constitution. The power was tion to the disposition of the Army, or any por- Mr. CABELL, of Florida. I call the gentlegiven to Congress to declare war, to raise and sup- tion of it. Let an inquiry be instituted by the man from Alabama (Mr. Houston] to order. port an army, but the power to wage war is given Committee on Military Affairs, and let a proper The question of printing has nothing to do with to the President of the United States as the Com- investigation take place, before the Adminisiration the resolution before us. mander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy. Con- is set right upon this point if it is in an error; but Mr. HOUSTON. I think my friend from gress may, if it believes after a war has been de- do not let a resolution introduced in this manner. Florida is getting a little excited. clared, that it is unnecessary and improperly pros- attempting to make a disposition of the Army, be Mr. CABELL. | insist upon my point of ecuted, with hold supplies, but it cannot take the forced through the House without investigation. order. command of the Army. The only way by which The idea of the Administration is to give so much The SPEAKER. The Chair must decide that the Congress can control the President of the 'infantry as is necessary to Oregon and Califor- it is not in order to discuss the question of printUnited States in his command over the Army is nia, and to place upon the great prairies, the great ing. by withholding supplies. I agree entirely with open plains, the mounted troops, because they can Mr. HOUSTON. The gentleman from Texas the gentleman from Vermont, Mr. HEBARD,] ' operate in no other place to advantage against the [Mr. Howard) was allowed to discuss this very that in a case of this sort a request is.equivalent to Indians. There is another consideration in con- subject. a direction. It is a matter in reference to which nection with this matter. By this time the regi- The SPEAKER. The Chair is not inclined to we have no right to make a request, as a question ment has arrived in Texas, which is under the com- call either the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Howof power, and besides of expediency, where we li mand of General Smith, who is in command of Il ard) or the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Hous