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Tennessee is mistaken in regard to that commu- partment for the fiscal year ending 30th June, | Wisconsin Territory, and sureties, reported back nication.
1852; which was read, and referred to the Com- the same without amendment, accompanied by a Mr. BAYLY. I rise to a privileged question. || mittee on Finance.
report, which was ordered to be printed. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ten
Mr. BRADBURY, from the select commillee nessee (Mr. Jones] has already submitted a priv
to whom was referred the bill to provide for the
Mr. WADE presented the petition of Sarah ileged question.
ascertainment and satisfaction of claims of AmerMr. HOUSTON. I think that the estimates
Flinn, praying compensation for supplies fur-
ican citizens for spoliations committed by the from the Navy Department were sent in in the the petition of David Osburn, in relation to the
French previous to the 31st of July, 1801, reportcorrect manner.
ed it back without amendment, accompanied by a same subject; both of which were referred to the Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. Then I will withCommittee of Claims.
report, which was ordered to be printed. draw my motion, and move now to reconsider
Mr. FELCH submitted the views of the mi
Mr. SEWARD presented the petition of Anthe vote on the motion to lay that last communi
nority of the above committee, adverse to the drew Rassmussen, praying compensation for sercation upon the table, and to lay the motion to
allowance of said claims; which were ordered to be vices rendered under an appointment from an reconsider upon the table.
printed. Mr. BAYLY. I hope the House will not lay New York, in 1812; .which was referred to the inspector of the customs for the district of Oswego,
Mr. GWIN, from the Committee on Naval the motion to reconsider upon the table. (Cries Committee of Claims.
Affairs, to whom was referred the memorial of of “Order!") Gentlemen are acting under a
Mrs. Mary Walker, widow of Major George P.
Mr. COOPER presented the petition of citizens nistake.
Walker, submitted an adverse report; and in conThe SPEAKER. No debate is in order. of Pennsylvania, praying Congress to pass a law
currence therewith it was Mr. JONES, of Tennessee, demanded the yeas to prohibit absolutely the deportation, banishment,
Ordered, That the committee be discharged from the or immigration from foreign countries to the Uniand nays upon his motion; and they were ordered.
further consideration of the subject. Mr. JOHNSON, of Arkansas, moved that the ted States of any and all convicts, felons, and pau
He also, from the same committee, to whom House adjourn. pers, publicly recognized as such at home in their
was referred the petition of Emily C. B. ThompMr. HOUSTON. I appeal to the gentleman mittee on the Judiciary. own countries; which was referred to the Com
son, widow of Commodore Charles Thompson, from Arkansas to withdraw that motion for a little while. We can then pass by this question of recon
Also, the petition of Joseph Rodney Croskey, submitted a report; which was considered by unansideration, and refer the bills upon the Speaker's England, prnying remuneration for expenses in, American Consul at Cowes and Southampton, imous consent, and, in concurrence there with,
Ordered, That the committee be discharged from the table, many of which have been there for nearly a
further consideration of the subject. curred in entertaining the officers of the United month, and ought to be referred. Mr.JOHNSON, of Arkansas. I withdraw my | Kossuth; which was referred to the Committee on States ship St. Lawrence, and in the reception of
Mr. HAMLIN, from the Committee on Com
merce, to whom was referred a resolution of the motion for that purpose. Naval Affairs.
Legislature of Michigan relative to the construcMr. HARRIS, of Tennessee, renewed the motion that the House do now adjourn.
Also, the petition of Lieutenants Thomas Bing- tion of a ship-canal around the Falls of Ste. Marie,
ham and William A. Hammond, officers of the submitted a report; which was considered by Mr. LETCHER, on that motion, demanded the yeas and nays; but they were not ordered.
United States Army serving in New Mexico, unanimous consent, and, in concurrence there
praying for themselves and in behalf of the sol- with, Mr. BAYLY demanded tellers; but they were
diers under their command, an increase of pay; Resolved, That the committee be discharged from the not ordered. which was referred to the Committee on Military
further consideration of the subject. The question was then taken, and it was decided Affairs.
On motion by Mr. H., it was in the affirmative-ayes 97, noes 52.
Mr. BORLAND presented the memorial of the Ordered, That the report be printed. So the House adjourned until twelve o'clock
Arkansas Central Railroad Company, praying a Mr. BERRIEN, from the Committee on the to-morrow.
grant of land and right of way, to aid in the con- Judiciary, to whom was referred the bill to in
struction of a railroad from Memphis, on the NOTICES OF BILLS.
crease the salary of the district judge of the United Mississippi river, to the boundary of Texas; which States for the southern district of Florida, reportMr. CABELL, of Florida, gave notice of the following
was referred to the Committee on Public Lands. ed it without amendment. bills: A bill to revive and continue in force for a limited time
Mr. DODGE, of Iowa, presented the petition Mr. FELCH, from the Committee on Public the provisions of an act relative to suspended entries of of citizens of lowa, praying a donation of land to Lands, to whom was referred the bill declaring public land.
that State for the construction of a railroad from the assent of Congress to the State of Missouri to Also, a bill to legalize certain entries of public land in the State of Florida.
Burlington, on the Mississippi river, to some point impose a tax on lands hereafter sold by the United Also, a bill to authorize and require the survey of the
on the Missouri river; which was referred to the States therein from and after the day of sale, republic lands in the State of Florida, now occupied by the Committee on Public Lands.
ported it without amendment. Seminole Indians, and for other purposes.
Mr. BERRIEN presented the petition of mem- Mr. DOWNS, from the Committee on Private Mr. MARSHALL, of California, gave notice of his intention to ask leave to introduce a bill for the relief of sufferers
bers of the General Assembly of the State of Land Claims, to whom was referred the bill to by fire in the city of San Francisco in the years 1849, 1850, Georgia, praying an increase of the salary of the grant the right of preëmption to settlers on the and 1851.
United States district judge for that State; which | public lands known as the Maison Rouge Grant, Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania, gave notice that he was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. reported it without amendment, and submitted a will on to-morrow, or at some subsequent day, ask leave to introduce a bill to amend the tariff act of 1842.
PAPERS WITHDRAWN AND REFERRED. report on the subject, which was ordered to be By Mr. YATES: A bill to grant to the States of Illinois,
printed. Indiana, and Ohio, the right of way and a portion of the
On motion by Mr. PEARCE, it was
Mr. DODGE, of Iowa, from the Committee on public lands to aid the said States in making that portion Ordered, That the memorial of Philip F. Voorhees, on the of the Northern Cross Railroad in the State of Illinois, lying files of the Senate, be referred to the Committee on Naval
Public Lands, to whom was referred the bill to aid between the Mississippi and Illinois rivers, and in extend- Affairs.
the State of Louisiana in reclaiming the overflowed ing said road from Springfield, Illinois, to the eastern line On motion by Mr. PEARCE, it was
lands therein, and for other purposes, reported it of said State, and thence through the States of Indiana and
without amendment. Ohio to Toledo, on Lake Erie.
Ordered, That the petition of Frances E. Baden, on the files of the Senate, be referred to the Committee on Pen
Mr. HAMLIN, from the Committee on ComPETITIONS, &c.
merce, to whom was referred the bill to admit a The following petitions and memorials were presented
On motion by Mr. BRADBURY, it was certain vessel to registry, reported it with an under the rule, and referred to the appropriate committees : Ordered, That the petition of Tobias Purrington, on the amendment, and on his motion the Senate pro
By Mr. SMITH: The petition of John Baird, praying to files of the Senate, be referred to the Committee of Claims. ceeded to consider the bill as in Committee of the be reimbursed in certain moneys spent for the Govern- On motion by Mr. DODGE, of lowa, it was Whole. Also, the petition of John Hargrove and others, praying
Ordered, That the petition of the heirs of William Gray- The reported amendment having been agreed to, the establishment of a post road from the city of Tuskaloosa
son, on the files of the Senate, be referred to the Commit- the bill was reported to the Senate, and the append. via Hardy Clemens's Cotton Factory, to Scottsville. tee on Revolutionary Claims.
ment was concurred in. By Mr. FAULKNER: The memorial of sundry citizens On motion by Mr. GWIN, it was of the county of Morgan, State of Virginia, praying an
Ordered, That the amendment be engrossed a nd the bil amendment of the act of Congress of the 28th September,
Ordered, That the petition of officers and soldiers of the
read a chuird time. Army who served in California, on the files of the Senate, 1850, granting land bounty.
Mr. GWIN, from the Committee on Naval Afbe referred to the Committee on Military Affairs. Also, the memorial of Benjamin Moor, lato master arm
fairs, to whom was referred the petition of Wilorer at the Harper's Ferry National Armory, praying com
NOTICE OF A BILL. pensation for ocrtain inventions and improvements in
liam D. Acken and Julia Acken, reported a bill machinery used by the Government.
Mr. BORLAND gave notice of his intention to
for the relief of Julia Acken; which was read and Also, the petition of Samuel W. Brady, of Frederick ask leave to introduce a bill to grant to the State
passed to the second reading. county, Virginia, a disabled soldier of the Mexican war, of Arkansas the right of way and a portion of the Mr. FELCH, from the Committee on Public praying to be placed on the pension roll.
public land to aid in the construction of a railroad By Mr. MOORE, of Pennsylvania: The memorial of John
Lands, to whom the subject was referred, reported F. Dumas, of Philadelphia, asking the appointment of a
from a point on the Mississippi river, opposite a bill to authorize the construction of railroads Committee on Claims of his father against the Spanish the town of Memphis, Tennessee, via Little Rock,
through the publio lands in certain cases; which Government. to some point on Red river, on the border of
was read and passed to the second reading. Texas.
Mr. UNDERWOOD, from the Committee on IN SENATE.
REPORTS FROM STANDING COMMITTEES. Public Lands, to whom was referred a resolution Wednesday, January 14, 1852.
Mr. SEWARD, from the Committee on Com- explanatory of the act approved September 28, Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. C. M. BUTLER.
merce, to whom was referred the bill of the relief 1850, entitled “ An act granting bounty land to
of Thomas H. Leggett, reported it without amend- certain officers and soldiers who have been enEXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION.
ment, accompanied by a report, which was or- gaged in the military service of the United States," The PRESIDENT pro tempore laid before the dered to be printed.
reported it back with an amendment. Senate a communication from the Secretary of the Mr. BRIGHT, from the Committee on Finance, The Senate proceeded to consider the resolution Interior, with estimates of appropriation neces- to whom was referred the joint resolution for the as in Committee of the Whole, with the amendsary to meet deficiencies in the service of that De- relief of Alexander P. Field, late Secretary of ment reported thereto; and,
PUBLISHED AT WASHINGTON, BY JOHN C. RIVES.-TERMS $3 FOR THIS SESSION.
320 CONGRESS, 1st Session.
FRIDAY, JANUARY 16, 1852.
New SERIES.... No. 18.
On motion by Mr. HUNTER, it was
formed by that committee. I am not aware that move to amend the resolution by adding the words Ordered, That the further consideration thereof be post- such labor is to be performed now, and the chair- “during the present session of Congress. poned until to morrow, and that it be the order of the day. man of the committee has not so stated. If a The amendment was adopted. BILL INTRODUCED.
clerk is now allowed to each of these committees, The question then recurred on the adoption of Mr. BORLAND, agreeably toʻprevious notice, they will become permanent appendages of the
the resolution as amended; and the yeas and nays asked and obtained leave to introduce a bill grant
Senate, and will hereafter be just as regularly having been ordered and taken, they resulted ing to the State of Arkansas the right of way and employed as the clerks under the Secretary of the yeas 34, nays 7; as follows: making a donation of a portion of the public lands,
Senate. Three are now asked for. But without YEAS–Messrs. Bayard, Bell, Berrien, Borland, Bradto aid in the construction of a railroad from Hel
consuming the time of the Senate, I ask for the hury, Cass, Cooper, Davis, Dawson, Dodge of Wisconsin, ena to Fort Smith, in Arkansas; which was read yeas and nays on the adoption of the resolution. Downs, Foni, Geyer, Gwin, Hale, Hamlin, James, Jones
of lowa, Jones of Tennessee, McRae, Mallory, Miller, a first and second time by its title, and referred to
The yeas and nays were ordered.
Norris, Pearce, Rusk, Sebastian, Seward, Smith, Soulé, the Committee on Public Lands.
Mr. RUSK. I desire to say a word or two Spruance, Stockton, Sumper, Upham, and 'Wade-34.
upon the subject. A clerk has been employed by NAYS-Messrs. Bright, Brodhead, Dodge of lowa, Hun-. WIDOW OF BRIGADIER GENERAL BELKNAP. this committee for the two last sessions of Con. ter, King, Underwood, and Walker-7. The Senate proceeded to consider the resolution gress, and he was fully employed during that
So the resolution was adopted. submitted by Mr. SEWARD the 6th instant, in
There is not, perhaps, a committee of this CLERK TO COMMITTEE ON NAVAL AFFAIRS. structing the Committee on Pensions to inquire body on whom more labor is devolved than on the
Mr. GWIN. I now move to take up the resointo the expediency of granting a pension to the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads.
lution relative to the appointment of a clerk to the widow of Brigadier General Belknap; and the The post office machinery extends all over the
Committee on Naval Atfairs, and I move to amend resolution was agreed to.
country; and everybody in the populous and
it by adding the words “during the present sesTONNAGE DUTY ON SPANISH VESSELS. interested in the manner in which that machinery
The PRESIDENT. The question will first be Mr. SEWARD, from the Committee on Com- || is worked. The laws regulating that Department merce, submitted the following resolution for con- are in confusion. They run over a period of fifty
on taking up the resolution.
The motion to take up the resolution was agreed sideration; which was considered by unanimous years. Constant changes are required in these consent, and agreed to: laws to meet the wants of our country; and it will
The resolution was read, as follows: Resolved, That the Secretary of the Treasury communi- || require a vast amount of labor for the purpose of
Resolved, That the Committee on Naval Affairs be aucate to the Senate such information as he may have in re- meeting those changes, which will necessarily
thorized to employ a clerk. lation to the expediency of repealing or modifying the act of come before and ought to attract the attention of * Jube 30, 1831, concerning tonnage duty on Spanish vessels.
Mr. GWIN. I now move to amend by adding that committee. Rules which would apply to a THE STEAMER EDITH.
the words “ during the present Congress.' densely populated portion of the country will not Mr. SEWARD submitted the following reso
Mr. CASS. I desire to say one word, Mr. apply where the population is sparse. There are lution for consideration:
President, on this subject, and it is simply this: some eighteen or twenty thousand post offices,
We are to be called upon to appropriate hundreds Resolved, That the Secretary of the Navy be requested many millions of miles of transportation of mail to furnish the Senate as early as practicable, with a copy of matter, and there are now many complaints of estimates of the various Departments; and it does
of thousands-nay, millions of dollars-for the the proceedings of the Naval Court of Inquiry in relation to the loss of the United States steamer Edith in 1849, together confusion in the machinery of the Post Office De
seem strange to me, that if five of our colleagues with copies of the correspondence which formed the ground partment. Once or twice it has been recommended
in this body, who may be appointed as a commitof the order given to constitute said court, and of all the papers that we should revise all the laws relating to the referred to in the record of proceedings; also, copies of all
tee, come and tell you that they are not able to do Department, which are now in great confusion. It reports or charges made to the Departincnt against any mem- is the object of the Department to make it what it laid of a clerk, that we should make any objection
their duty satisfactorily to themselves without the ber composing said court in reference to conduct while attached to the Pacific squadron; copies of all correspond
should be for the benefit of the whole community: ence between the Department and Commodore Thomas Under such circumstances, if the labor is devolved Ap Catesby Jones, relating to the said steamer Edith;
The question was taken on the amendment; and copies of the correspondence with Richard W. Meade, late upon us, we cannot be expected to perform it at
it was agreed to. a heutenant in the United States Navy during the year all. satisfactorily. I am very willing to labor as
The question then recurring on the adoption of 1851; copy of the charges and specitications preferred by far as I can in the discharge of the duties which
the resolution as amended, it was decided in the Lieutenant Tunis A. Craven against Commodore Jones in may devolve upon me as a member of that com1849 and 1850, with the reasons of the Department for not
affimative. mittee; but of one thing I am very sure, which is, acting thereon; and copies of the correspondence between the Department and the commanders of the Pacific squadthat the Senate cannot employ a clerk with more
CLERK TO THE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE. fon, and all other officers of the Navy, in relation to the general benefit to the community than in the ser- Mr. HAMLIN. I ask that the resolution erection of a steam circular saw-mill in California, and the vice of the Committee on the Post Office and Post which I submitted this morning may be taken up expenditures thereon. Roads.
før consideration now, that we may dispose of all ARSON IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. Mr. GWIN. As I understand the opposition these matters at the same time.
A message was received froin the House of to be equally made to the employment of a clerk The PRESIDENT. It cannot be taken up
Mr. PRESIDENT : The House of Representatives have I'offered a resolution yesterday for the appoint- jection it will be taken up.
that committee to ask for a clerk. I will very Resolved, that the Committee on Commerce be authorSabsequently it was read a first and second | briefly state some of the labors which that com- ized to employ a clerk, from and after the first proximo, at time by its title, and referred to the Committee on mittee is expected to perform.' They are expected
the usual rate of compensation, during the present session the Judiciary.
of Congress. to prepare:
Mr. HAMLIN. I desire to state that I offer PRIVATE BILL.
ist. "A code of laws for its energetic government and adipinistration."
that resolution by the unanimous approval of the The engrossed bill for the relief of Thomas
2d. “A l'urlough or retired list.”
Committee on Commerce. I wish to state, in adSnodgrass was read a third time and passed. To ascertain what additional legislation, if any, dition, that we have before that committee fully APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTEE CLERKS. is necessary to ensure,
one hundred questions relating to internal improveMr. RUSK. I laid upon the table yesterday || by the secretary of the Navy, equalization and impartiality
3d. “A fair, stringent and active system of administration ments, connected with our harbors, lakes, or rivers, morning a resolution to authorize the Committee
in almost every State in the Union. To act inin service atloat and ashore, and a strict and posisive obe. on the Post Office and Post Roads to employ a
telligently, there should be a synopsis filed, with dience to, and enforcement of, all orders, without favor.” clerk. I ask that it may now be considered. 4th. “An invariable rule, that in the selection of officers
each one of these cases, showing what has been The motion was agreed to, and the resolution
for commands afloat, their physical abilities, morals, stand- done by the Government, and a complete and ac
ing and fitness, should be first clearly ascertained before was read, as follows:
curate 'statement of the cases presented, so that they are intrusted with the important duties attending for- the committee and the Senate may act intelligently. Resolved, that the Committee on the Post Office and eign service." Post Roads be, and they are hereby, authorized to employ Every member of the Senate must perceive Senators will recollect how much we were at fault a clerk.
at the last session, as to what was the true situathat, to enable the committee to discharge the
tion of the works alluded to. Besides this, there Mr. DODGE, of Iowa. •I suppose the fight | duties imposed upon them satisfactorily to the may as well commence upon this resolution as any
is scarcely a day passes when there is not some country, it must have a clerk. other. I think we have it pretty evidently shown Mr. HALE. I would suggest to the Senator subje&t comes up which requires correspondence,
or an interview with a Department, and to do these that every committee of the Senate will, in future, | from Texas whether it would not be better to have to be provided with a clerk to perform the modify the proposition. As the resolution now
subjects justice is beyond the power of that com
mitiee. I believe there is no committee in this labor of the committee in part. I apprehend that stands it is unlimited, and might be construed to
Senate which has so varied and extensive subjects we have gone as far with that matter as we have mean that this committee should have a clerk in
committed to it as the Committee on Commerce. ever gone, with the exception of the clerk asked all time to come-forever, sir. I would suggest
The resolution was adopted. for by my friend from Texas. We accorded a to the Senator to limit his resolution to the presclerk so that committee at a time when it was sup- ent session of Congress.
FLOGGING IN THE NAVY. posed, from an amendment of the Post Office laws, Mr. RUSK. I am quite willing that the reso- Mr.' GWIN. The memorial offered some There was some unusual amount of labor to be per- 1 Jution should be so modified. I will, therefore, time ago by the Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr.
BRODHEAD) in relation 10 corporal punishment in HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, that I have a matter of interest connected with the the Navy, is yet undisposed of. When the ques
WEDNESDAY, January 14, 1852.
public printing, to bring before the House at the tion was last under consideration, the Senator
The House met at twelve o'clock, m.
earliest opportunity. from Florida (Mr. MALLORY) had the floor. It
Prayer by the Rev. Mr. Butler.
The question was then put, and the House is, as I understand it, unfinished business, and I hope it will be taken up now.
The Journal of yesterday was read and approved. I agreed to reconsider the vote by which the mes
sage from the Secretary of the Interior was ordered The PRESIDENT. The Senator from Cali
AFFAIRS IN UTAH.
to lie upon the table. fornia is right; this is the unfinished business:
Mr. BERNHISEL. Mr. Speaker, I rise to Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. The motion now The memorial was postponed to a day certain;
a question of privilege. I find that the report (as pending is one made by myself on yesterday, to that day has passed, and it comes up now in its printed communicated to this House by the send this communication back. I will, if there be order. President of the United States, containing the re
no objection, withdraw that motion; and then the Mr. DAVIS. Does this take precedence of the port of the three United States officers returning motion made by the gentleman from Alabana, compromise resolution? I understood the Chair
from Utah, is not the same as the copy furnished (Mr. Houston,j to refer the message to the Comthat the compromise resolution followed the busi
me from the Department of State. I was as much mittee of Ways and Means, and to have it printed, ness to which it gave way yesterday.
surprised at the appearance of the official printed will be in order. Mr. GWIN. I hope the Senator from Masreport, as I was at the publication of a like report
The SPEAKER. The recollection of the Chair sachusetts 'will permit that subject to pass over a few days before in the Nero York Herald, both is, that the gentleman from Tennessee yesterday this morning. The Senator from Florida was on of which are different from the report furnished to withdrew the motion to which he has referred, and the floor, and had delivered a portion of his speech me, or a copy thereof, from the State Department, | substituted the motion to lay upon the table. when the question was postponed until last Mon- though bearing the same date. I must protest Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. Then I propose to day. This matter has been postponed from day
withdraw the motion to lay the document on the to day, and I hope it will now be taken up aně against the change or alteration of an official re
port, containing such serious charges against the table. disposed of.
Governor and people of the Territory which I have There was no objection, and the motion was The PRESIDENT. The Chair will state that
the honor to represent; and without saying more accordingly withdrawn. the first special order is the resolution offered by at this time, I now move the House, on pre- The question then recurred upon the motion subthe Senator from Mississippi, (Mr. Foote,) which senting the copy of that report which was fur- mitted by the gentleman from Alabama, (Mr. Houswas postponed to Monday, the 5th of January, nished to me by the Department of State, that the TON,] to refer the document to the Committee of The question in relation to the memorial presented same be printed and laid before this House. I Ways and Means, and to print. by the Senator from Pennsylvania, was postponedhave not carefully compared any of the reports,
Mr. HOUSTON. Does the gentleman propose until January 12th, and can now be taken up on and know not which to rely on as authentic and to debate it now? motion, if the Senator from California thinks fit to official, except it be the one on file at the State De- Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. Yes; but I will not make that motion.
partment and furnished me by that Department. occupy the time of the House more than five minMr. GWIN. Then I make that motion, and
I shall hold this to be the true copy of the indicthope the Senate will sustain it.
ment, and trust that this House will so order it I made the motion yesterday to lay this commuMr. DAVIS. 1 am not impatient to address
after it shall be printed and laid before the House. nication upon the table because it is an infraction the Senate. All I desire to say is, that I have a Mr. CARTTER. I rise to a question of order. of custom and a violation of the law. So far as few remarks to make on this compromise resolu- I do not think that this matter can be considered my opinion goes, and so far as I have been able tion. If it is more agreeable to the Senate to hear a question of privilege.
to investigate the question, it is the first time any them at another time I am quite willing to postpone The SPEAKER. The Chair is unable to per- Department, other than that of the Treasury, has them for the present. I perceive that the Senator ceive any question of privilege. The gentleman submitted to this House estimates for appropriafrom Florida has a number of books and papers on from Utah can only proceed by the unanimous tions and asked for the enactment of laws to make his desk, and appears to be ready to address the consent of the House.
those appropriations. Senate. I would not, therefore, be willing to keep Mr. CARTTER objected.
Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. I rise to a • him in suspense, for I know that it is a very pain- Mr. ORR. I move that the gentleman from | question of order. The question now before the
ful condition to be in. I am not in that state my- Utah (Mr. BERNHISEL) have leave to proceed. House is the disposition of the Executive docuself; but if I can only understand from the Senator The SPEAKER. The Chair is of opinion that ments upon the Speaker's table; and the rule says from California--that is, if he knows-when this this is not one of those cases which would allow they shall only be taken up in regular order. The resolution can come up, and not be in the way of the gentleman to proceed on a motion of that char- | only opportunity for debate would have been other business, I will move to postpone it till that acier. If the gentleman had been called to order upon the privileged motion to reconsider. But time.
on the ground of irrelevancy in debate, or for other that motion having been withdrawn, of course the Mr. GWIN. Very well; say next Monday. i disorder, it would then have been in order for the communication lies upon the Speaker's table, and Mr. DAVIS. Why not say to-morrow? gentleman from South Carolina to submit a motion can oply be taken up in its regular order.
Mr. GWIN. Because for to-morrow there is a ihat the gentleman from Utah be allowed to pro- Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. This question special order.
ceed in order. But, in the opinion of the Chair, | comes legitimately before the House this morning, Mr. HUNTER. The special order for to-mor- the gentleman from Utah is not entitled to the floor, upon the motion to reconsider. This leaves the row is the bill making land warrants assignable. and therefore the gentleman from South Carolina question to refer it to the Committee of Ways
The PRESIDENT. This resolution will be cannot submit the motion which he proposes, and Means just where it was yesterday, when the first special order, to the exclusion of the bill The Chair decides that the gentleman from Utah that motion was made. making land warrants assignable,
cannot proceed without the unanimous consent of The SPEAKER. The gentleman from TenMr. DAVIS. I do not speak for myself alto. the House.
nessee is correct. gether in this matter, or rather, I should say that I do speak with regard to my own views. But
ESTIMATES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ASSIGNABILITY OF LAND WARRANTS. then know that the Senator from Mississippi
The SPEAKER. The regular order of business (Mr. McRae] is anxious to address the Senate on The SPEAKER then stated that the first busi- || during the morning hour, is the call of commilThis subject, and I would be glad to have the thing ness in order was the proposition to reconsider the tees for reports. The first business in order, put in such a shape as to accommodate his feelings vole by which the communication from the De- therefore, in the opinion of the Chair, is the reand wishes as well as my own. If it can be taken partment of the Interior was laid upon the table. port of the select committee on the joint resoluup to-morrow morning, I am content to have it . The gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Jones] had iion explanatory of the act of September 23, postponed till that time; but I would be glad to moved to lay the motion to reconsider upon the
1850, entitled “An act granting bounty lands to have it understood by the Senate that it may come table, andeupon that motion the yeas and nays
certain officers and soldiers who were engaged in up in-morrow morning. i had been ordered.
the military service of the United States," and the The PRESIDENT. The Chair will state to Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. By the consent of subject of amending and extending the bounty the Senator from Massachusetts that it comes up as the House I desire to withdraw my motion to lay | land bill. a matter of course, being the first special order, the motion to reconsider upon the table. I will Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. There is another unless it should be postponed to take up some other also state—though it is not strictly in order—that question why this matter is before the House. I subject. The question now is on taking up the I hope the motion to reconsider will prevail, and know that it was uniformly held by the Speaker memorial from citizens of Pennsylvania on the that this question may be fully examined. It is a of the last House, that when any proposition was subject of flogging in the Navy.
new one, and is, at least, worthy the considera- before the House at the time of adjournment, and The question was taken on the motion to take tion of the House.
an amendment pending to refer it to any commitup the memorial, and it was agreed to.
There was no objection, and the motion to lay tee, it kept it off the Speaker's table, and brought Mr. MALLORY. Let the memorial be read. on the table was accordingly withdrawn.
it up as the unfinished business. Mr. BRODHEAD. Oh it is unnecessary; it i The question then recurred upon the motion to
The SPEAKER, · The Chair admits that it is has already been read three or four times. | reconsider the vote by which the document was
unfinished business to come up in its order. The The PRESIDENT. The Senator from Florida ordered to lie upon the table..
call of committees for reports being first in order, asks for its reading, and it is obliged to be read. 11 Mr. HOUSTON. If this question is not likely the unfinished report of yesterday will take pre
The memorial, us it has already appeared in the to give rise to additional debate, and it is the columns of the Congressional Globe, page 218, was
cedence of the other unfinished questions intention of the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr.
am very certain then read. Mr. MALLORY then addressed the Senate until
Jones) to merely refer it to some committee, I am that is a change of the practice of the House. willing that it should be reconsidered.
The SPEAKER. The first business in order is the hour of adjournment, in favor of a restoration The SPEAKER. It is not now in order to de- upon the motion to refer the report made by the of corporeal punishment.
bate the question. Without concluding, Mr. M. gave way to a
gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Dunham] to the
Mr. HOUSTON. I understand that it is not Committee of the Whole on the state of the motion to adjourn,
debatable now; bat if the reconsideration takes | Union. And the Senate adjourned.
place, it will then be debatable. I desire to say Mr. BISSELL. Upon that question
Mr. HOUSTON. I appeal to the gentleman assigned in Maine according to the mode in || us see how this matter is got over by the chairfroin Illinois, (Mr. Bissell,) and ask that he will which deeds are executed and acknowledged man of the select committee, [Mr. DUNHAM.) permit me to bring to the attention of the House there. How is this same register in Oregon, nine- After providing in this comprehensive bill for che condition of the public printing.
ty days afterwards when the warrant is pre- paying officers who shall bereafter locate these Mr. BISSELL. I am sorry to disoblige the sented to him, to know what are the laws of warrants, he tells you that those who have been gentleman, but I cannot yield 'the floor for that Maine in relation to deeds conveying land? And engaged in locating them heretofore, can come to purpose.
further still, how is any register or receiver ex- Congress, each with his individual claim, and get a Mr. HOUSTON. I hope the gentleman will pected to know the laws of all the States and bill through here for his compensation. Is not allow that subject to be brought now before the Territories and of the District of Columbia, regu- that a most extraordinary proposition? Is it not House, as the subject upon which he proposes to lating this subject, so that he may know, when a most unreasonable one, so far as the present, speak will consume the balance of the day. the warrant is presented to him at his office, and late incumbents of these offices are concerned
Mr. BISSELL. I should be glad to oblige the whether the assignment upon it is legal or not? This bill provides for paying officers who perform gentleman, but it strikes me that this question of Why, it would require a lawyer, indeed, and one these services hereafter, and invites those who printing will consume not only this day, but many of much reading, too, to be enabled to act under- have performed them heretofore-some of whom days ia succession, if we lay aside other business standingly under such a law as you propose for are in office now, and some not-to come to Washto attend to it. the guidance of registers and receivers.
ington by dozens, and scores, and hundreds, and Mr. HOUSTON. I rise to a question of order. Mr. DUNHAM. Has the gentleman always present to Congress, each bis individual claim, in It is this: Whether I have not a right, under the been of that opinion, or has he recently embraced the form of a private bill, for the purpose of obtainrules of the House, to make a report from the || it, and since the committee acted upon it?
ing his pay, as register or receiver, for locating these Committee of Ways and Means, stating the rea- Mr. BISSELL. Personally, I have always land warrants heretofore. That, sir, is an improvesons why the appropriation bills have not been preferred a different mode of assignment from that inent upon the General Land Office system, which reported within thirty days from the announce- provided by this first section, yet I did not object is as ingenious as it is just to retiring land officers. ment of the Committee of Ways and Means by to this mode in committee, willing, if the balance Why, the land office system is designed to be, the Speaker?
of this bill should suit me, to indorse the whole; ! and should be, complete and perfect in itself. The The SPEAKER. The Chair knows of no rule but as I have said before, when I came to see the claim of these officers for compensation should be of the House giving the gentleinan that right. frightful disproportions of the other parts of the adjusted, now and always, not by Congress but by
Mr. BISSELL. "Mr. Speaker, upon the ques- || bill, I was disposed to have it nearly all modified the head of that Department here. If, pursuant to tion of referring the report submitied yesterday -this section as well as others.
the invitation of the chairman of this committee, . by the chairman of the select commiitee upon Now a far more simple, better, and wiser plan, fifty or a hundred of these land officers come up to the bounty land question, I wish to say a few is that which was provided for in the bill before us Washington and present their claims to Congress, words. I was gratified that the chairman of that originally; and I now call the attention of gentle I should like to know when they may reasonably committee made the motion to refer the bill to the men to that better mode. The first section of that
expect their bilis to be all got through? 'How Committee of the Whole on the state of the original bill provides that the warrants for mili- much of the time of Congress would be consumed Union, but I regretted very much that he after- tary bounty lands, which have been, or may here- in passing them, and how much of the money wards announced to us that he had made that after be, issued under any law of the United States, of these honest claimants be expended, in employmotion with the view of subsequently withdraw- shall be assignable in such form, and pursuant to ing agents and in personal attendance, session afing it, and of putting this bill upon its passage such regulations as may be prescribed by the ter session, till their bills are passed? How simhere, under the operation, as I suppose, of the Commissioner of the General Land Office. Now | ple, how sensible, how right would it be, to proprevious question. Now, sir, I hope no vote will the Commissioner has constant communication vide in preference for those who have already be taken upon this bill under any such strategy. with all these local offices, and the moment you located these warrants, just as we do for those who It will be most manifest to every man who will may pass this original bill, he will send his circu- shall locate them hereafter! Provide that those pay the least attention to the provisions of this lar containing this law and the prescribed form to registers and receivers who have heretofore located bill, that it is one that requires, perhaps more than each of the registers and receivers, and they will these warrants shall receive a certain percentage any other one that has been before us during this have all the required information before them in on each warrant so located by them, under regusession, that deliberation and attention which it plain and simple language, directly from the De- lations of the Department, the whole amount alcan only receive in Committee of the Whole. partment here. Thus that provision of law regu- lowed to any one in no case to exceed the maxiSir, he is a bold man who, understanding the pro- | lating the assignment of warrants, will pass into mum of compensation now allowed by law. There visions and foreseeing the operation of this bill, || all the local land offices, and all other public offices is no difficulty in regulating this, none at all. The votes to-day that it become a law. And he is a where business of that kind is transacted by offi- head of the Land Office Department here knows rash one, who votes for it without that under- cers or individuals. Every man may then see how much pay each land officer has received, standing and foresight. No, sir; this bill should and easily understand, what is necessary to con- year by year go to the Committee of the Whole; and I hope stitute a legal assignment of a bounty land war- Mr. DUNHAM. Will the gentleman allow the members of this House are prepared at once rant. Now, which of these plans is the better me to ask him a question? to reject it altogether, or, at least, that they will one? Nay, I would ask, indeed, if the one re- Mr. BISSELL. Certainly. see the propriety of letting it take that course ported by the majority of this select committee is Mr. DUNHAM. I should like to know, in which bills of far less importance than this gener- not almost utterly impracticable? So much for settling those accounts at the Land Office, how you ally do. To some portions of the bill I have no the first section of the bill, which is to be forced are to ascertain the amount they are entitled to for objections whatever. To other parts of it, I through the House under the operation of the pre- || locating Mexican land warrants? think a large majority of the members of this vious question.
Mr. BISSELL. In the easiest possible way, House will object. Of some portions of it I have The second section of this bill-and I ask those || I assure the gentleman. I will turn to the records no language sufficiently strong to express my dis- gentlemen who have not given it particular atten- of the General Land Office here, or introduce that approbation.
tion to attend to it now-provides, that for loca- | gentleman to a clerk who will do it, and show, in The first section proposes to make land war- ting warrants hereafter, registers and receivers less time than I have been speaking, precisely how rants assignable. Thai is very well; but I think, shall receive fifty cents upon each one located. much each land officer has received for each year, upon mature reflection, that the mode of assign- | Now, gentlemen, you are all aware that the loca- during the whole time in which entries have been ment provided for in this first section is by no tion, by these warrants, commenced some three or made by these warrants. means the best one; and my reasons for thinking four years ago. Since that time so many locations Mr. ÞUNHAM. The gentleman will find him80 can be given in very few words. The section have been made under them, that probably not self very much mistaken, or else my inquiries have provides that these warrants shall be assignable, one fourth part of those originally directed to be resulted in a wrong answer, for mythe assignment to be executed and acknowledged, issued now remain unlocated. The officers who Mr. BISSELL, 'The books of the General or proved, in the same manner and with the same have located them, have never received one sin- | Land Office show whether a warrant was located formalities that deeds for the conveyance of land gle cent, except a small pittance, originally by the original holder, or by his assignee. If by are executed, acknowledged, or proved in the State provided for locating such as had been assigned. I his assignee, the Department knows that the reor Territory in which the assignment may be The subject of compensating these officers for gister and receiver has received fifty cents.
If by made. Now, at first blush, that seems very well; || their services comes before this House; is referred the original holder, the Department knows that and I am not so much opposed to that miode of to a select committee, and they report in favor of the local land officer has received nothing. Thereassignment as that I would go against the bill on compensating such officers as may render the same fore it is entirely practicable to obtain the necessary account of it if it suited me in other respects. services hereafter, and wholly neglect to provide information on this point. When that informaBut I think the bill must be essentially modified the same equaland just compensation, or any com- tion is obtained, the Department should be authorin nearly all of its provisions; and, while we are pensation at all, to those who have performed these lized to allow each register and receiver a percentage about it, I am for having this one perfected also. services up to this time. Is there justice in that? upon entries by warrants, under the restriction or Look at the effect of providing this mode of as- If the location of these warrants hereafter to be limitation as to amount, which I have already sigament. A land warrant is assigned, for in- | made is a service, fairly and justly entitling the suggested. This is exactly what the majority of stance, in Florida; executed and acknowledged registers and receivers to compensation, why not the select committee propose to do for registers and there in accordance with the laws of that State compensate those who for three years have de- | receivers who may perform this service in future. regulating the execution, acknowledgment, and voted nearly all their time to that labor without Is there any more difficulty about the past? This proving of deeds for the conveyance of land: receiving so much as one hundred dollars, over whole thing ought to be settled in this bill. We Now, how is the register or receiver of a land and above clerk hire, office rent, and other neces- want no future legislation on the subject, We do office in Oregon expected to know, when the war- sary expenses? Why, the very fact that the com- not want these registers and receivers.--Dor their rant is presented at his office, what are the laws | mittee proposes to pay for locating these warrants widows and children-here in mourful procession of Florida upon that subject? and, without such hereafter, shows them to be aware of the fact that i with their private bills for compensation, year after knowledge, how can he know that the assignment there is justice in the claim of those who ask com- year, till our patience and their spirits shall be is legal or valid according to the provisions of the pensation for having located them heretofore. Why worn out. Regulate the compensation to which law we are now about to enact?' Another one is 1l provide for payment only to future officers? Let I they are entitled now, when it can so easily be
done; and save to them the time and the money high, let him move to cut them down. Perhaps suppression or prevention of Indian hostilities, or whose they may otherwise expend hereafter in success- I will go with him; but let us make them equal.
services of that character were recognized and paid by the
United States prior to the passage of said act, and who ful or unsuccessful efforts to obtain delayed jus- If you reduce the pay of one man, reduce that of
served the length of time required by said act. tice. Let not the honorable chairman of this select all others; and at any rate do not put additional committee say they are not entitled to anything, Jabor upon one and give him less compensation comprehensive grasp, 1 am very much inclined to for by the fact of proposing to compensate officers than another gets for his labor. for the same services hereafter, and by the further Again: this
bill provides that a man entering | suggest that the title of the bill should be “An act fact of virtually inviting the retiring registers and one hundred and sixty acres of land with a land erlendatory;" instead of amendatory" "of a pre
vious act. I will ask the chairman of the select receivers to come here and present their claims to warrant shall pay fifty cents to the receiver and
committee, if he will allow me, whether he has Congress, he is estopped from denying the justness register. Do we consider how much the Governof their claim. ment pays for having that same one hundred and
any approximate knowledge as to the number of
persons who will be embraced in this section? Now the fact is, that some of those officers have sixty acres of land entered with cash? It pays
Mr. DUNHAM. As a reply to the gentleman's not received more than one or two hundred dollars two dollars. A speculator appears, loaded down
interrogatory, I might refer to his own knowledge in the last year, over and above their clerk hire with land warrants which he has purchased at
of the matter. On certain occasions he has maniand other expenses, because nearly all the entries sixty to ninety dollars each, and with each one of | fested considerable anxiety upon the subject, and in their districts have been made by these warrants; which he buys one hundred and sixty acres of
it was mainly through his efforts that this section whereas in other districts in which most of the land. For entering that one hundred and sixty
was introduced into the bill. entries have been made in money and in which not acres which really has cost him less than a hun- Mr. BISSELL. Do not misunderstand me. I one fourth as much labor is required as in the case dred dollars, he pays to the register and-receiver
am for the section; and I am also in favor of the of entries by warrants, have received very nearly || fifty cents, and no more. A poor emigrant who
bill of the gentleman from Tennessee, (Mr. Johnor quite the maximum sum allowed by law. Is has managed to raise two hundred dollars in spethis equal justice? cie, goes to a land office in Minnesota, lowa, or
SON which proposes to give land to every actual
setiler who will live upon and cultivate it. The There is another argument upon this subject, Illinois, purchases one hundred and sixty acres of which I address to the exclusive consideration land with that two hundred dollars of genuine gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Dunham) and I can
not be at issue on this section. I thought it right, of my Democratic friends round about me, and Jackson currency. For receiving his money and
however, that the House should have some inforI know they will appreciate it.
mation as to the number that will be embraced from Indiana (Mr. Dunham) proposes to pay
receiver are allowed each a dollar. Such inconofficers who shall locate these warrants hereafter; sistencies will every day arise under the operation have been mustered into service for the suppres
under this section. It provides for all those who and proposes, in the same bill, to issue a very of this bill. It is considerations of this character large batch of new warrants to another class of that compel me to say the bill ought not to pass.
sion or prevention of Indian hostilities, or whose
services of that character have been recognized our citizens; but, to those who have been en- It should go to the Committee of the Whole on the
and paid by the Government. I am for the secgaged in locating warrants without pay for the state of the Union, and be there thoroughly in
tion, but wish that it was still more comprehensive. last three years he has nothing to say, except that vestigated and essentially modified. It ought not they had better come up to Congress at some fu- to become a law unless entirely changed in nearly / So, as I said before, I am in favor of the bill of ture time, and get the pay allowed them, each by all its essential features.
the gentleman from Tennessee, which one of these a separate bill. Now, we Democrats all know (A message was here received from the Presi- | days I hope to help him to pass so far as my very well who will hold these offices for the next dent of the United States, informing the House that
vote goes at least. "I think that it is a sensible and four years. We know-do we not, my Demo- he had attached his signature to certain bills.]
equitable bill, and I think this would be an equi
table and sensible section were it carried further. cratic friends that there is to be a change in the I think, Mr. Speaker, that I have dwelt long
But I suspect that the House will not vote it a law Administration, and that, after a little time, good enough upon the monstrous injustice and inDemocrats will fill these offices for some years to equality proposed by this bill in reference to the
until they have more information than I possess as
to the number and class of persons embraced by it. Well, these Democratic registers and re- compensation of land officers. That it will work
Ever since the settlement of California there ceivers to be are provided for-very properly, of the grossest injustice I think I have shown. I course-in this bill. They are to receive pay for think I have also shown that this proposition, and expectations of Indian outbreaks. Are all
have been rumors of Indian disturbances there ench warrant they may locate. But these poor taken in connection with the remarks of the genWhigs, who have performed the labor of locating tleman from Indiana, (Mr. Dunham,) on yester
those who may have been mustered into the service all these warrants--for I believe they have all been day, proposes a change in the land office system
to prevent these outbreaks provided for by this sec
tion? I read in this morning's paper an item of located since the commencement of General Tay- | which members of this House will be slow to lor's administration, and who are about to retire, I sanction, to wit, in the mode of compensating
news brought by the last steamer from California, mean at the incoming of the next Democratic Ad- | land officers for entries heretofore made with
to the effect that Major Jack Hays, whom we all ministration-are to be turned off without pay.
recollect and admire, had proceeded towards San They are told to whistle for their pay, or, which is Mr. DUNHAM. The gentleman misunder- | Diego with volunteers to prevent an apprehended the same thing, to come up and apply to some future stands me upon that point. I stated on yester
rising of the Indians. Are he and his men inCongress for it . Now, I ask my Democratic day, that I considered, as a general thing, they they shall be. I have also a petition in my drawer
cluded in this section? If they are not I insist friends if this is just? I do not say we ought to had been amply paid for the services they renbe magnanimous to our Whig friends who are to dered in the location of land warrants; but that
from citizens in New Mexico, asking for land for go out of office, but we ought to be just to them. there might possibly be instances where their com
a battalion of four companies raised there in 1849, If it is just to compensate Democratic officers, pensation was inadequate. In such cases their
by Colonel Washington, who are excluded by the who will fill those places during the next Admin-claims should be presented to Congress.
present law. I would like to know whether that istration, I think it equally so to compensate those Mr. BISSELL. Then I ask, if as a general | they were all New Mexicans—ure embraced under
class of our New Mexican citizens—for I believe Whigs, who, by an extraordinary streak of good rule they have been amply paid, why provide adluck, have been in office for the last three years. ditional payment to those who shall perform the
this section. They served some six months, and
so far as I learn their services have not been I admit, very cheerfully, that our Whig friends, same services hereafter? That will not do. If in the general, deserve a good deal of scourging, they have been amply paid under that system,
recognized and paid by the Government. If they
are not embraced in this third section I will have but let it be visited upon them in a different way– those who shall come into office after them, and by keeping them out of office. But in pecuniary render the same service, will be paid in the same
none of it. A section so comprehensive as that matters, let us not fail to give them their full dues.
might be extended a little further, so as to do jusway. If the compensation is sufficient for those Now, I have proofs before me, but I will not who are about to go out of office, why not for
tice all arounk. How many does it embrace of detain the House by reading them, showing that those who may succeed them? Why not strike
those who were called out by State authority, at the necessary, unavoidable labor of locating a out the provision compensating officers in future?
various times, to prevent Indian hostilities in the tract of land with a military bounty land war- The plan that we, the minority of the committee,
Creek country-in Florida, and elsewhere in the rant, is more than four times as great as in loca- propose, will prevent those who have received
South and West? The more that is included, I ting the same tract with money. There is proof, i compensation already from getting any more, as
say the better, and yet I should like to have some also, that in some of the land districts nearly all it authorizes the Department here to pay those
knowledge as to the number whom we might the land has been located for the last year or two who have not received what they are entitled to
finally embrace. A more general bill, a friend with these warrants. As a consequence, the per- | by law, (their maximum salary and percentage)
near remarks, would be more equitable. centage which officers receive upon cash sales, <so much as will make up that amount, and no
Such important provisions as those contained in has been lost to the receivers and registers in such more; so that if any officer has received ten dol
this bill, I repeat, should not be adopted by us districts. This quadrupled their labor and dimin- lars less than he was entitled to, he will be paid liberation the whole subject should go to the Com
without mature deliberation to receive such deished by three fourths their pay. There is proof, by the Department that amount (if his locations also, that in other land districts the sales have by warranis would entitle him to so much) on the
mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union. mostly been made for cash, and the officers in adjustment of his accounts here. Or, if another
To the 4th section of the bill I have no objecsuch districts, though performing comparatively has received $1,300 less than he would have been
tion. The 6th section is the only other one to little labor, have, through the percentage to which
which I will direct the attention of the House. It thus entitled 'to, he may, on the same principle, they are entitled on cash sales, realized more than receive that amount from the Department, when
provides: four times the compensation received by the less his accounts are adjusted. We see how perfectly
“That the warrants which have been, or may hereafter fortunate class I have already referred to. Now
be issued, in pursuance of said act, or of this act, may be that equalizes the matter, dispensing even justice located upon any lands of the United States subject to priI ask the majority of this select committee-for I all around.
vate entry at the time of such location." would have the House bear in mind that it is I will now ask the attention of the House to the composed of five, and that it was by a bare ma
I will tell you what I think will be the practical third section of the bill. It reads as follows: operation of this section as indicated by past exjority that this bill was reported—if there is any Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That the act of which principle of even-handed justice discernible in
perience. this act is explanatory, all be so construed as to include
These warrants which are now issued, and their whole proceeding? If any gentleman is of
all commissioned and non-commissioned officers, musi-
which by this bill you are to issue, depend upon opinion that the salaries of land officers are too were mustered into the service of the United States for the it, will very soon pass into the hands of specula