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or any other motion. It may be I am not entitled Schermerhorn, Schoonmaker, Scudder, David L. Sey- Clingman, Cobb, Conger, George T. Davis, John G. Davis, to take the floor while the gentleman from Ohio
mour, Origen S. Seymour, Skolion, Smart, Frederick P. Dean, Disney, Doty, Durkee, Eastman, Edgerton, Ficklin,
Stanton, Richard H. Stanton, Stone, Stratton, Stuart, Florence, Floyd, Fowler, Henry M. Fuller, Thomas J. D. has it. The moment he sits down, if I have the Sutherland, Sweetser, George W. Thompson, Thurston, Fuller, Gaylord, Gentry, Giddings, Gilmore, Gorman, floor, I may make that privileged motion; which Townshend, Tuck, Walbridge, Wallace, Ward, Washburn, Green, Grey, Grow, llascall, Hendricks, Henn, Horsford, motion must be acted upon before the House proWelch, Addison White, Wildrick, and Yates--109.
John W. Howe, Thomas M. Howe, Hunter, Ingersoll, Ives, ceeds to the other question.
NAYS--Messrs. Babcock, Thomas H. Bayly, Barrere, John Johnson, Daniel T. Jones, Preston King, Kuhns,
Bocock, Powie, Brooks, E. Carrington Cabell, Caldwell, Letcher, Lockhart, Mace, Mann, Edward C. Marsball, The SPEAKER, The Chair will decide the
Joseph P. Campbell, Lewis D. Campbell, Churchwell, Mason, McDonald, Meacham, Molony, Nabers, Newton, points in the order in which they are made. The | Cullom, Disney, Dockery, Dunham, Grey, flamuond, Har- Olds, Peaslee, Penn, Penní!pan, Perkins, Porter, Richardgentleman from North Carolina (Mr. CLINGMAN]
per, Isham G. Harris, Haven, Hebard, 'Hunter, Andrew son, Riddle, Robie, Robinson, Sackett, Schoonmaker,
Johnson, George W. Jones, Landry, Humphrey Marshall, Scudder, David L. Seymour, Origen S. Seymour, Skelton, asked for the previous question on yesterday upon
Martin, Miller, Morehead, Murphy, Porter, Savage, Scurry, Smart, Śnow, Benjamin Stanton, Frederick P.' Stanton, this resolution. The Journal does not show that
Smith, Stanly, Benjanin Stanton, Alexander H. Stephens, Richard H. Stanton, Stone, Stratton, Stuart, Sutherlanı, fact. The gentleman from Ohio (Mr. CAMPBELL] Taylor, Venable, Walshı, Watkins, Wilcox, and Williams Sweetser, George W. Thompson, Thurston, Townshend,
-41. takes the floor, and moves to amend the resolu
Tuck, Walbridge, Walsh, Ward, Washburn, Welch, Adtion. The decision of the Chair at the moment So the appeal was laid
dison White, and Wildrick -100. upon
the table. was, that the demand for the previous question The question recurred upon Mr. Clingman's
So the House refused to lay the resolution upon musi be put. The gentleman from Ohio now motion to amend the Journal; and being taken, it the table. assumes that he has the floor upon the proposi- was decided in the affirmative.
The question recurring on the adoption of the tion to amend the resolution, and that the floor So the Journal was ordered to be so amended. resolution, it was taken, and decided in the affirmcannot be taken from him to supply defects and ADJOURNMENT UNTIL SATURDAY.
ative-yeas 102, nays 56; as follows: add to what should have been in the Journal, and Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. I desire to make
YEAS-Messrs. Willis Allen, Allison, John Appleton,
Bartlett, Bell, Breckenridge, Briggs, Buell, Busby, Joseph in that state of things no motion can be made to a privileged motion. To-morrow is New Year's
Cable,Cartter, Chapman, Chastain, Clark, Cleveland, Clingamend the Journal. That is what I understand day; I see that there are to be a great many houses man, Cobb, Conger, George T. Davis, John G. Davis, Disto be the proposition of the gentleman from Ohio. open, and members will doubtless be visiting them, ney, Doty, Durkee, Eastman, Edgerton, Ficklin, Florence, The Chair decides that it is competent even in i and perhaps they will not be in a very good con
Floyd, Fowler, Henry M. Fuller, Gaylord, Gentry, Gidthat condition of things to move to amend the
dings, Gilmore, Goodenow, Gorman, Grey, Grow, Sainpdition for business the day after. I therefore move son W. Harris, Hascall, Hendricks, Henn, Horsford, John Journal, as he regards it as one of those privileged that when the House adjouns to-day, it adjourn W. Howe, Thomas M. Howe, Ingersoll, Ives, John Johnmotions which must be put. The Chair is thereto meet on Saturday nexi.
son, Robert W. Johuson, Daniel T. Jones, Preston King, fore of the opinion that the motion of the gentle- Mr. TUCK. Will not the resolution to ad
Kuhns, Letcher, Lockhart, Mace, Mann, Edward C.
Marshall, Mason, McDonald, Meacham, Molony, Nabers, man from North Carolina to amend the Journal journ till Saturday be quite as much in order after Newton, Olds, Peaslee, Penn, Penniman, Perkins, Ranis in order.
the adoption of the Kossuth resolution as it is toul, Richardson, Riddle, Robie, Robinson, Sackett, ScherMr. OLDS. I move to lay the appeal upon the now?
merhorn, Schoonnaker, Scudder, David L. Seymour, table.
The SPEAKER. The Chair will decide that
Origen S. Seymour, Skelton, Smart, Snow, Benjamin
Stanton, Frederick P. Stanton, Richard H. Stanton, Stone, Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. Can I rise and question when it arises properly.
Stratton, Stuart, Sutherland, Sweetser, George W. Thompdeprive a member of the floor, to make a privi- Mr. FOWLER demanded the yeas and
nays; san, Thurston, Townshead, Tuck, Walbridge, Wallace, leged motion? I cannot take the floor from him which were ordered; and the question being taken,
Walsh, Ward, Washburn, Welch, Addison White, Wil and move an adjournment as a privileged motion, it was decided in the negative-yeas 74, nays 89;
drick, and Yates-102.
NAYS-Messrs. Abercrombie, Aiken, Ashe, Averett, or to bring a question of privilege before the as follows:
Thomas H. Bayly, Barrere, Bocock, Bowie, Bragg, BrenHouse.
YEAS—Messrs. Aiken, John Appleton, William Apple- ton, Brooks, Burrows, E. Carrington Cabell, Caldwell, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio ton, Ashe, Averett, Thomas H. Bayly, Barrere, Bell, Bo
Lewis D. Campbell, Churchwell, Cullom, Dean, Dockery, [Mr. CAMPBELL) was not entitled to the floor at cock, Bowie, Braga, Brooks, Brown, Burrows, Busby, E. Dunham, Edmundson, Ewing, Fitch, Hall, Hammond, Harall, the previous question having been demanded.
Carrington Cabell, Caldwell, Lewis D. Campbell, Church- per, Isham G. Harris, Haven, Hebard, Hillyer, Jackson, An
well, Cullom, George T. Davis, Disney, Dockery, Dunham, drew Johnson, James Johnson, George W. Jones, Landry, It is moved to lay upon the table the appeal now Edmundson, Fitch, Florence, Henry M. Fuller, Thomas J. Humphrey Marshall, Martin, McMullin, Miller, Millson, taken by the gentleman from Ohio, for it has D. Fuller, Gentry, Goodenow, Green, Hall, Hammond, Miner, John Moore, Morrhead, Murphy, Orr, Porter, Powchanged its character somewhat.
Ishamn G. Harris, Sampson W. Harris, Haven, Hebard, ell, Savage, Scurry, Smith, Stanly, Alexander H. Stephens, Mr. WILLIAMS demanded the yeas and nays;
Hillyer, Hunter, Jackson, James Johnson, George W. Taylor, Venable, Watkins, Williams-56.
Jones, Kuhns, Lockhart, Mace, Humphrey Marshall, Mar- Mr. CARTTER moved that the rules be susand they were not ordered.
tin, McMullin, Miller, Millson, Miner, John Moore, MoreMr. CABELL, of Florida, called for tellers on
pended, and that the House resolve itself into head, Murphy, Nabers, Olds, Orr, Powell, Richardson, the yeas and nays; which were ordered, and Riddle, Savage, Schermerhorn, Scurry, Sinith, Stanly,
Committee of the Whole on the state of the Messrs. Stone, and STEPHENS of Georgia, ap- Taylor, Venable, Wallace, Wells, and Williams-74.
Rickard A. Stanton, Alexander H. Stephens, Sutherland, Union. pointed. ÑAYS-Messrs. Willis Allen, Allison, Babcock, Bartlett,
ADJOURNMENT UNTIL FRIDAY. The count was made, and the yeas and nays Bissell, Bowne, John H. Boyd, Breckenridge, Brenton,
Mr. STANLY moved that when the House were ordered.
Briggs, Buell, Joseph Cable, Cartter, Chapman, Chastain | adjourns to-day, it adjourn to meet on Friday The SPEAKER. The Chair will again state Clark, Cleveland, Clingman, Cobb, Conger, John G. Davis,
next. Dean, Doty, Durkee, Eastman, Edgerton, Ficklin, Floyd, the point of order upon which the appeal has been Fowler, Gaylord, Giddings, Gilmore, Gorman, Grey, Grow,
Mr. VENABLE demanded the yeas and nays; taken. The question is simply this: that the gen
Harper, Hascall, Hendricks, Henn, Horsford, John W. which were not ordered. tleman from North Carolina (Mr. CLINGMAN) had
Howe, Thomas M. Howe, Ingersoll, Ives, Andrew Johnson, The question was then taken on the motion,
John Johnson, Robert W. Johnson, Daniel T. Jones, George a right to move to amend the Journal. The gen
and it was agreed to, on a division; ayes 98, noes G. King, Preston King, Letcher, Mann, McDonald, Meachtleman from Ohio (Mr. CAMPBELL) appeals from am. Molony, Newton, Peaslee, Penniman, Perkins, Robie,
46. the decision of the Chair. The motion is now Robinson, Sackett, Schoonmaker, Scudder, David L. Sey- The question recurring on Mr. CARTTER's momade to lay that appeal upon the table, and upon mour, Origen S. Seymour, Skelton, Smart, Snow, Benjamin
tion, it was taken, and agreed to. Stanton, Frederick P. Stanton, Stone, Stratton, Stuart, that motion the yeas and nays are ordered. Sweetser, George W. Thompson, Thurston, Townshend,
So the rules were suspended, and the House reMr. CABELL. I desire to be informed as to Tuck, Walbridge, Walsh, Ward, Washburn, Watkins, solved itself into Committee of the Whole on the the point of order, and if I am mistaken, I desire Welch, Addison White, Wilcox, Wildrick, and Yates—89. state of the Union, (Mr. Jones, of Tennessee, in to be corrected. The Chair has decided, that
So the motion was not agreed to.
the chair.) while one member had the floor, another member The question then recurred upon seconding the The CHAIRMAN stated the business before had the right to move to amend the Journal. demand for the previous question.
the committee to be the annual message of the The SPEAKER. The Chair has made no such Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia, demanded tel President of the United States, in relation to which decision; for, if the demand for the previous ques- | lers; which were ordered, and Messrs. STEPHENS a series of resolutions had been offered by the tion was pending, the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. | of Georgia, and Richardson were appointed. gentleman from Alabama, [Mr. Houston,) and CAMPBELL) had no right to the floor.
The question was then taken, and ihe tellers re- an amendment to that resolution by the gentleman Mr. CABELL. The gentleman from Ohio was ported-ayes 89, noes 48.
from New York, (Mr. SEYMOUR.) upon the floor, and was recognized by the Chair. So the previous question received a second. Mr. CARTTER. I move that the committee The SPEAKER. He had no right to it.
The main question, viz: on the adoption of Mr. do now take up that portion of the President's Mr. CABELL. He was recognized by the Clingman's resolution to close debate, was then message which relates to Kossuth. Chair. ordered.
Mr. BAYLY, of Virginia. I rise to a question The SPEAKER. Gentlemen will preserve or- Mr. HARRIS, of Tennessee, moved to lay the of order. der. resolution on the table, and called for the yeas
The CHAIRMAN. The entire message of the The question was then taken on laying the ap
President is before the committee, and the only peal upon the table, and it was decided in the af- The yeas and nays were ordered; and the ques- question pending is the resolution of the gentlefirmative-yeas 109, nays 41; as follows:
tion being taken, it was decided in the negative- man from Alabama and the amendment thereto YEAS--Messrs. Aiken, Willis Allen, Allison, John Ap- yeas 56, nays 100; as follows:
offered by the gentleman from New York, (Mr. pleton, Williain Appleton, Ashe, Averett, Bartlett, Bell, YEAS_Messrs. Abercrombie, Aiken, Ashe, Averett,
SEYMOUR.] Bissell, Bowne, John H. Boyd, Bragg, Breckenridge, Bren- Thomas H. Bavly, Barrere, Bocock, Bowie, John H. Boyd, Mr. SEYMOUR, of New York. As I had the ton, Briggs, Buell, Burrows, Busby, Jo-eph Cable, Cariter, Bragg, Brooks, Albert G. Brown, E. Carrington Cabell, Chapman, Chastain, Clark, Cleveland, Clingman, Cobb,
honor of proposing that amendment to the resoluCaldwell, Lewis D. Campbell, Churchwell, Clark, Cullom, Conger, George T. Davis, John G. Davis, Dean, Doty, Dur
tion offered by the chairman of the Committee of Dockery, Dunham, Edmundson, Ewing, Fitch, Hall, Hamkee, Eastman, Edgerton, Edmundson, Ficklin, Fitch, Flormond, Harper, Isham G. Harris, Sampson W. Harris, Ha
Ways and Means, and as that gentleman is not ence, Floyd, Fowler, Henry M. Fuller, Thomas J. D. Ful
ven, Hebard, Hillyer, Jackson, Andrew Johnson, James now present, I hope, by general consent, the resler, Gaylord, Gentry, Giddings, Goodenow, Gorman, Green, Johnson, George W. Jones, Landry, Humphrey Marshall, olution and amendment will be passed over, and Grow, Hall, Sampson W. Harris, Hascall, Hendricks,
Martin, McMullin, Millson, Moore, Morehead, Murphy,
the committee will proceed to take up the resoluHowe, Ingersoll, Ives, Jackson, John Johnson, Robert W. Stephens, Taylor, Venable, Wallace, Watkins, Wilcox,
tion which was under consideration yesterday. I Johnson, Daniel T. Jones, George G. King, Preston King, and Williams.-56.
make that motion. Kubus, Letcher, Lockhart, Mace, Mann, Mason, McDon- NAYS--Messrs. Willis Allen, Allison, John Appleton, ald, McMullin, Meacham, Millson, Miner, Molony, Nabers,
Mr. CLINGMAN. I submit this point of orWilliam Appleton, Babcock, Bartlett, Bell, Bissell, Bowne, Newton, Old, Orr, Peaslee, Penn, Penniinan, Perkins, Breckeubridge, Brenton, Briggs, Buell, Burrows, Busby,
der: the business which was before the commitPowell, Richardson, Riddle, Robie, Robinson, Sackett, Joseph Cable, Cartter, ' Chapman, Chastain, Cleveland, tee on yesterday--that is, the resolution of the
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. CarTTER)—was left resolution to which the gentleman from North President's message relating to Kossuth before the unfinished, and I ask if that is not ihe regular Carolina refers, as having been before the commit- | committee? business before the committee?
tee at a previous sitting, has no relation to and The CHAIRMAN. If the Chairman were a Mr. SEYMOUR. I insist upon my motion to does not connect itself with the President's mes- member upon the floor, there are several motions lay aside the resolution of the gentleman from sage at all.
which he thinks he could make in order, but he Alabama, (Mr. Houston,) and the amendment Mr. CLINGMAN. Whether it relates to the does not deem it his province to instruct gentlemen which I had the honor of proposing to that reso- President's message or not, it is before the com- as to the proper motions to be made. It is his lution, and that we proceed to take up the resolu- mittee under the Chairman's own decision. I duty to state to the committee the business as it tion which was under consideration yesterday, care not whether it is connected with the message; comes up; and the good sense and knowledge of offered by the gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. Cart- | it has come up before the committee, and stands gentlemen will certainly enable gentlemen to proTER.)
as the unfinished business. It is upon that ground ceed with the business of the committee. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair decides that a that I take an appeal from the decision of the Mr. FICKLIN. In connection with these quesmotion to postpone any particular part of the Chair.
tions of order, I ask that the last paragraph on President's message is not in order. The Presi- The CHAIRMAN. The Chair decides that | page 150 of the Manual, be read. dent's message and resolution of the gentleman | the President's message, and the resolution of the Mr. CABELL. We seem to be in the midst of from Alabama are now regularly before the House, chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means, great confusion. I move that the committee do and the Chair thinks they cannot be postponed in are now the business before the committee. The now rise; and upon that motion I call for tellers. part.
gentleman from New York (Mr. Seymour) moves Tellers were ordered; and Messrs. Fuller and Mr. SEYMOUR. My amendment relates not io lay aside all of the message except so much as Williams were appointed. to the consideration of the message, but to one of relates to Louis Kossuth, and to proceed to the The question was then taken, and the tellers rethe specific resolutions offered by the gentleman consideration of that part of it. The Chair de- || ported—ayes 36, noes 86. from Alabama, (Mr. Houston.) I suppose it is cides that the motion is not in order, and from So the committee refused to rise. in order to move to postpone that, if not all the that decision the gentleman from North Carolina The CHAIRMAN. The question is now upon resolutions offered by the gentleman from Ala- (Mr. Clingman) appeals.
the appeal of the gentleman from North Carolina, bama, and take up the resolution offered by the Mr. CLINGMAN. The Chair misunderstands | [Mr. Clingman.] gentleman from Ohio (Mr. CARTTER) yesterday, me. My point is, that the resolution under con- Mr. SEYMOUR, of New York. Before the which relates also to the message. If the Chair | sideration yesterday is now the regular business question is taken, I ask of the Chair if two apdecides that motion to be out of order, I shall be before the commitiee. I understand the Chair || peals can be taken at the same time? constrained to take an appeal from that decision. decides differently. It is from that decision that The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from The CHAIRMAN. 'The Chair is of opinion || I take an appeal.
North Carolina appealed from the decision of the that the committee, when last in session, having The CHAIRMAN. The rules of the House Chair before the gentleman from New York subhad a resolution introduced which was not based prescribe the mode of proceeding in Committee of mitted his; but it was not put to the House, and upon the questions referred by the House to the ihe Whole on the state of the Union; and those is therefore, now, the only one pending. committee, that it does not come up as unfinished rules prescribe that the business shall be taken up Mr. FICKLIN. I now ask that the paragraph business of a former session of the committee. in the order in which it is referred and stands upon in the Manual be read. The Chair is further of the opinion that the mo- the calendar. The committee cannot go back, as The CHAIRMAN. It will be read, if no obtion of the gentleman from New York, (Mr. Ser- the Chair conceives, and take up anything as un- | jection is made. MOUR,) proposing to postpone a particular resolu- finished business, but must take up the business A MEMBER objected. tion to distribute the message, is not in order. The as it stands upon the calendar, as the rule pre- The question now being “Shall the decision of only legitimate course for the committee to pur- scribes.
the Chair stand as the judgment of the Commitsue, the Chair thinks, is to proceed with these Mr. RICHARDSON. I desire to ask a single tee? tellers were demanded and ordered; and resolutions in the order in which they stand on question.
Messrs. Marshall of Kentucky, and ORR were the calendar.
The CHAIRMAN. There is an appeal now | appointed. Mr. SEYMOUR. I take an appeal from that, pending which was taken by the gentleman from The question was then taken, and the tellers redecision.
North Carolina, (Mr. CLINGMAN.). The question porteu-ayes 36, noes 75—no quorum. Mr. RICHARDSON. The gentleman from is, “Shall the decision of the Chair stand as the (Cries of " Call the roll!” and “ Recount!") New York, (Mr. SEYMOUR,) as I understand it, judgment of the Committee?"
Mr. CLEVELAND. I call for another count. proposes to lay aside the resolutions introduced Mr. RICHARDSON. But I desire to ask the The CHAIRMAN. Another count is called by the chairman of the Committee of Ways and gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. CLINGMAN] for. If there is no objection, it will be done. Means and an amendment proposed by himself
I think (Cries “I object!" "I object!" all over the 10 one of those resolutions. Does the Chair de- ihat gentleman is clearly wrong in the point he House CHAIRMAN said the roll would be called cide that motion to be out of order?
has made. I submit to that gentleman if, when The CHAIRMAN. The Chair decides that it the compromise measures were before the last to ascertain the names of the absentees. is not in order to move to lay aside those resolu- Congress, it was not the invariable practice of the The roll was then called and the absentees noted. temas unless the whole message goes with it. It is committee of the Whole on the state of the Union | The committee rose, and the Speaker having reuna the same principle as when a bill is pending to take up the business as it stood on the calen- sumed the chair, the Chairman of the Committee in the House and an amendment thereto: if å dar at each sitting and lay it aside? I think, ac- (Mr. Jones, of Tennessee) reported that the Commozioa be made to lay that amendment upon the cording to the invariable practice of the commit- | mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union had table
, and the motion prevail, it carries with it the tee, the course proposed by the gentleman from had the state of the Union generally under considvbole bill.
North Carolina is wrong, and that proposed by eration, and especially the President's message; Mr. RICHARDSON. I want to make one the gentleman from New York (Mr. SEYMOUR] is and having found itself without a quorum, caused single inquiry. The effect of the motion is to be right.
the roll to be called, and had instructed him to redecided hereafter. The right to make that motion Mr. GENTRY. I desire to ask one question. | port the facts to the House, with the names of the bas never been questioned in committee. In my Did not the House this morning decide that all absentees. opinion the Chair is clearly in error in deciding | debate in Committee of the Whole upon the state The CHAIRMAN also stated that Mr. Housthat the gentleman from New York [Mr. Ser- of the Union should cease upon this resolution in ton, of Alabama, is confined to his rooms by sickHerr) has not the right to make a motion to lay a half hour after the committee commenced its ness, and that he had been requested to state that aside these resolutions.
session, and that the committee should proceed to fact to the House. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Illi- vote upon this resolution? If this is so, I submit if A quorum being now present, the committee hois (Mr. RICHARDSON) is clearly right in saying the House has not decided these questions about resumed its session; and the question being taken the right to make the motion has never been ques- which there seems to be so much difficulty? on the appeal of the gentleman from North Carotioned; for if the Chair is correct, such motion has The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the lina (Mr. Clingman) from the decision of the Dever been made in Committee of the Whole on resolution.
Chair, the tellers (Messrs. MARSHALL, of Kenthe state of the Union, The Chair adheres to its decision. From that decision the gentleman from
The resolution was then read, as follows:
tucky, and ORR) reported—ayes 29, noes 89.
So the appeal was sustained, and the decision New York (Mr. SEYMOUR) appeals.
Resolved, That all debate in the Committee of the whole
of the Chair overruled. Mr. CLINGMAN. I made a point of order
House on the state of the Union, upon so much of the Presi-
The CHAIRMAN. By this decision the comwhich comes up first. I desire to appeal from the in one balf hour alter the committee shall again resume its mittee have decided that the message of the Presi. decision of the Chair-if it is competent for me to
consideration, (if the committee shall not sooner come to a dent of the United States is not before the comdo so~upon the point I made, that the business
conclusion on the same,) and the committee shall then pro-
mittee; but that the resolution introduced to the pending when the committee rose was so much of offered, in reference to the same, and shall then report it to
committee when last in session by the gentleman the President's message as relates to Kossuth and the House, with such propositions as may bave been agreed from Ohio, (Mr. CartTER,) proposing to appoint the resolution in regard to it. That resolution was 10 by the committee.
a committee of five to receive Louis Kossuth, is pot disposed of yesterday, and, as I understand The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will remark, before the committee; and upon that question the lt, comes up here as unfinished business today, that the resolution provides for terminating the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Disney) is entitled to and is the regular order. The Chair, as I under- | debate upon so much of the message as relates to the floor. stand him, decides that it does not so come up.
Louis Kossuth; but the entire message is before Mr. STANTON, of Tennessee. I rise to a From that decision I desire to appeal.
the committee, and the resolution does not termi- | question of order. I do not understand that the The CHAIRMAN. The Chair overrules the nate debate upon any other portion of the mes- committee has decided that the President's mespoint made by the gentleman from North Caro- sage.
sage is not before the committee. lina, (Mr. Clingman.) The Chair will state Mr. CARTTER. I wish to ask this question: The CHAIRMAN. The Chair stated distinctly further, that one of the resolutions before the com- I want to know whether any motion can be made that the message was before the committee. The mittee proposes to make a reference of so much which, in the judgment of the Chair, will be in gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. CLINGMAN] of the message as relates to Louis Kossuth. The l order; and which will bring that portion of the made a question of order that the resolution of the
gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. CarTTER,) introduced derstand this matter, it seems to be conceded upon the propriety of recommending to the House this to the committee on a former occasion, was the i all hands, that if the subject matter of this thing matter. But, sir, I stated, when I got up, I had business before the committee as unfinished busi- shall be fairly before the committeethat is, the no intention of trespassing long upon the attention ness at its last session. The Chair decided against subject out of which the resolution may have le- of the committee. 'I feel myself, and I know that him; and from that decision an appeal was taken, gitimately grown, or may legitimately grow—that in that feeling I participate with a vast majority of and the committee overruled the Chair. The then the resolution may be acted on, and properly the members of this House, that the committee Chair is therefore constrained to say that the reso- reported to the House. That being conceded, the will prefer action rather than either words or ideas. lution is now before the committee as the unfin- | only question that remains for us to inquire into · But before I take my seat, I must say that I ished business.
is simply whether there is now legally before this feel also that, in justice to myself, I ought to enter Mr. STANTON. I am not disposed to appeal | committee any subject-matter out of which a res- my dissent from the doctrines and opinions adfrom the decision of the Chair that the President's olution of this sort can come? The House has vanced upon this floor yesterday in reference to message is not a part of the question before the decided this question. I flatter myself, if I had the reception of this distinguished person. It has committee, being satisfied that the statement of been heard upon this subject yesterday, that I been intimated that favorable action upon this poor the Chairman cannot alter the facts.
could have convinced gentlemen that the introduc- resolution involves some matter of principle-that Mr. DISNEY. Had it been the pleasure of the tion of the resolution was right, because such sub- it will commit the House to the doctrines advanced House on yesterday to have permitted me to speak ject-matter did exist; but I am saved the necessity by Louis Kossuth. I was pleased to hear the when I first obtained the floor, I should probably of the attempt to-day, by the decision which this distinguished chairman of the Committee on Forthen have said much, very much, in relation to the House came to this morning, in relation to a res- eign Relations admit that, in his judgment, it inmerits of the resolution before the committee, which olution offered by the gentleman from North Car- || volved no such committal. Nor does it. I apI shall now refrain from uttering. I shall now olina, [Mr. CLINGMAN,] by and in which you as- prehend that this is the sound conclusion to which abstain froin presenting any extended views. I serted and decided that so much of the President's every gentleman will come, and must come, who see around me indications too evident to allow me message as relates to Louis Kossuth, was and is sits down and calmly looks over the whole to doubt the propriety and, indeed, absolute neces- before this committee, and that out of it this reso
What are the facts before us in resity of action instead of debate. Influenced by lution has grown. I say, that point is already ) gard to this subject? You have invited him to considerations of this sort, and animated by a de- || decided by the resolution of the gentleman from your country; you have passed resolutions in. sire to bring this matter to a final decision, I will North Carolina; but I waive all these positions. | viting him to your seat of Government; and now not avail myself of the privilege of discussion even They are not necessary or essential to the decision the only question before this committee to decide to the extent which I may under the resolution, of this question. Thé latitude to which I have is, whether you will appoint a committee of a few limited as it is to one half hour. I propose to adverted, as belonging to committees of the whole, l gentlemen as a part of the arrangement to introtrespass upon the patience of the committee but is established and known to the law. Still you, duce him? It is objected by some that he is a for. for a very brief period indeed; but I regret the | by your usages and rules, have not been content eigner, and they do not desire to be taught the conclusions to which I have been forced to come with that, but have gone further, and created an- doctrines of republicanism, or the true policy of in this respect, and the mode in which circum- other committee of the whole, with higher and our foreign relations, or the principles of our instistances will compel me to handle the subject, the broader privileges, and less restrained in regard to tutions of government, by foreigners. How very less, because, independently of all other incidental the freedom of debate, or its mode and manner of alarming ! how well founded! But, really, is there questions and of the various views in which this procedure. You have not only a Committee of anything to startle us from our propriety? What matter may be presented, the gentleman from Ten- | the Whole, but you have a Committee of the are the bare and naked facts? Here comes a man nessee (Mr. GENTRY) has in fact practically pre- Whole on the state of the Union-a committee under the circumstances I have stated a man who sented the entire actual question before the House | unknown to the common law, and in which you needs no ealogy from my hands. I attempt no enfor its decision. It is a wise and safe rule which exercise a latitude of debate sanctioned by imme- ulogy upon Louis Kossuth. I make none. No, teaches us that when we have one point upon morial usage unknown even to those allowed even sir; no. "No, I shall do no such silly, foolish thing. which a case may be properly decided, we never in committees of the whole.
He is too far beyond my power of praise. He should seek for another. But as I have obtained What is your every-day practice, no matter has written his own eulogy. He has written his the floor, and may, under the rules, occupy the what particular subject may be the matter pend- name—he has written himself a MAN upon the attention of the committee for a few moments, I ing before the committee ? A gentleman rises in his historic page of the present age, and he has writwill take the occasion, before I sit down, to utter place, and presents his views upon any subject with- ten it in the broad character of living, enduring some sentiments. It may be that they are peculiar | in the range of human comprehension. He does light, which will be read as long as the history of to myself; that may be so; they are at least quite not talk at all about the matter upon which he is the human race is read. He is beyond all eulogy different from the general course of remark I heard going to vote. He is tied down by none of the at my hands. His fame will be perpetual, no yesterday uttered in this Hall-I allude, sir, to the rules of order as generally known to the common matter what may be the action which we may idea of intervention. And here, once for all, let law. He is not put down by those motions and take in regard to this petty resolution. I say petme say in advance, that intervention stalks no actions which usually govern committees of the ty, because it contemplates a ceremony involving spectre in my path. It cannot startle me from my whole. As we have been told here, the practice nothing of principle, but, as the gifted gentleman notions of right and wrong; but as I shall say of the House has been to originate bills in this from Tennessee (Mr. GENTRY) so foreibly and something upon this part of the matter before committee, as in the case stated by the gentleman eloquently said, does involve somewhat of our own I take my seat, I will, in the first place, ask leave || of a bill being introduced in the committee for the dignity. to address myself to some of the questions of order, admission of California. It originated in the com- It is objected that he, a stranger, comes forward which I see evidently will, when this committee mittee, consequently in conformity to the general and advocates doctrines gentlemen cannot assent rises, be raised in the House for its decision. First, || provisions to which I have alluded before in re- to. Sir, he would be false to his mission, coming it is objected that this resolution is not properly gard to the powers of the committee. Then, in here to beg for his suffering and drown-trodden before the committee. Now, every one at all fa- my judgment, it is sufficient to rest this matter country, if he did not seek to obtain your aid by miliar with parliamentary law and the history of upon the general fact, that the Committee of the every means and argument that the powers of his the origin of committees, knows that all commit- Whole upon the state of the Union, having the mighty intellect could suggest. Great as Louis tees, of whatever character, whether special, select, Union generally under consideration, and this Kossuth is, he comes here in a mightier character or standing, have full power to act in each and matter pertaining to the official action of the Gov- than even all of his own ennobling qualities can every case upon such subjects as may be embraced ernment-having relation to the Government as a make him. He comes here as the representative in the general scope of the authority conferred Government—is within the scope and authority of of a people. It is a nation that talks to you when upon them by the rule or order creating and estab- the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Kossuth speaks. Hungary appeals to you through lishing them, as well as in all other matters which Union. But I will not trespass further upon this him. Read the page of history from the earliest may be specially referred to them by order of the point. Time flies rapidly. Another objection is time, and nothing is more common than missions House. Committees of the Whole were constitu- raised, and it is, that the resolution proposes to for assistance from one people to another. But ted for particular purposes. They were to relieve refer a subject to the action of another committee. our Government is peculiar. 'On the continent of the legislative body from the rigor of the common I apprehend that the gentlemen who read that Europe,where monarchies and kingly crownsexist
, laws, if I may so express myself; to place the House resolution carefully will find it proposes no such these missions are settled in the audience of the in its undress; to permit it to consider the subject on thing. It does not propose that this committee Prime Minister, who, under those Governments, two different occasions—the one with freedom and shall refer any subject to the action of another represents the Government and the power of the with ease, unrestrained and untied down by these committee; for I admit, in that it is well estab- nation; but we have no such government here. A formal ceremonies or principles of the law; and in lished that no committee-neither the Committee man to reach this Government must appeal to the the other case, to consider it according to the rules of the Whole, nor any standing or select commit- representatives of the people; and it is for this that and ceremonies which custom, reason, and, I may tee—can refer a matter of which it has the charge | Louis Kossuth seeks to address himself to you, add, common sense combined, have established to any other committee. Does this resolution || and if possible, to persuade you, by every means for the government of legislative bodies. The very | propose to do any such thing? I apprehend not. and argument, to his convictions. Is there any. essence and existence of committees of the whole | What is that resolution when fairly and fully thing wrong in this? Is there anything indelicate can discuss and handle subjects. One attribute of atives, That a committee be appointed," &c. I in the fear that they may subject themselves to the all committees is, that when any particular sub- know not whether the technical phraseology is in charge that they were learning the doctrines of
ject may have been referred to them, they may the resolution or not; but if it be there, gentle- || American republicanism at the hands of a fora act with regard to it, and, in the language of the men will discover afterwards, upon the very face eigner? I repeat it, that he would be false to his law, report upon it either by bill or otherwise. of the resolution, that it does not propose that mission if he did not seek to have an audience ber paper or subject is referred to the committee, they committee; but it proposes that the House shall Republic
and if possible, to convince you of the may originate matter concerning it, either by res- refer this subject to the action of the proposed righteousness of his cause'; to enlist your sympa olution or by bill, and report it to the body who has appointed such committee. In truth, as I un- ll of the House. This committee is only discussing Il for it he desires to make his appeal
. Are we afraid
that he will convince us? Are we afraid that Europe, it is all idle for you to shrink back and Mr. CAMPBELL, (resuming.) No better arif we are convinced in the cause of human free- say, that because your immediate, peculiar, and gument can be presented by any living man, upon dom, and in relation to the great rights of nations, personal interests are not directly and immediately the proposition just made by my colleague, (Mr. that if we acknowledge the fact that the confes- concerned, that you will not interfere. Such is DISNEY,] than the one which has been read at the sion will involve some cost? And shall we shrink not the law of nature; it is not the law of God; it desk. I do not propose now to add to it a single under such an apprehension? Such is not the tem- || is not the law which God himself has stamped word. But I do desire to understand from my per of the American people. No one believes more upon humanity.
colleague fully and unequivocally the extent to siocerely and cordially than I do in the profound In our daily pursuits, how often does the senti- which he proposes to go. I desire to know from Fisdom of the doctrines laid down by the early foun- ment to which I have adverted rise up in the him whether it is his design to advocate the docders of our Government. Interference with foreign bosom of every man, and tempt him to step trine of intervention, as it has been proposed by nations in our infant condition would have been aside and do that which the instinct of which I Louis Kossuth in the various speeches that he has unwise, so the men who formed that Government speak tells him is right? This country cannot made? I desire to know from him whether he inunderstood it, and hence the Father of his Coun- wrap herself up in any such miserable, selfish pol- tends to advocate the position that this Governtry distinctly recommended us to avoid them. The icy as would refuse every generous appeal. This ment shall declare to Russia, in the event of a recommendation at the time was wise, but the country has a mission to fulfill. It is a high and struggle between Hungary and Austria, that she principle was but the principle of policy. It was, noble one; and though some of us may seek to shall not interpose; and whether he would be preas I have said, wise, just, sound, and becoming in posipone the hour, yet it is rolling on-destiny i pared to back that declaration by war? a nation of some three millions of inhabitants; | impels us onward, and the time must come, and Mr. CARTTER (rising to a question of order) but, sir, it would not be wise in a nation of twenty- will come, when our institutions will come in con- || inquired whether the half hour allowed by the five millions of people, with a commerce spreading | Alict with those of the despotic Governments of resolution closing debate had not expired? itself throughout the globe, with powers hardly Europe. The battle must be fought. It would The CHAIRMAN stated that it had just exFet developed, but developing themselves with a require no very great ingenuity to show by argu- | pired. rapidity which amazes and startles both. Sir, ment that it even may be sound policy, even in an The resolution and the pending amendment were Dever in my life did I feel prouder of myself as interested and selfish point of view, to interfere then reported, as follows, viz: an American citizen than when I read the letter of when any great infraction of the laws of nations Resolved, That a committtee of five be appointed by the the present distinguished Secretary of State to the shall have been perpetrated by any of the great Speaker to wait upon Louis Kossuth and introduce him to Austrian. It has been my lot, it may have been monarchical Governments. The laws of nations
the House of Representatives. my misfortune, to have differed with that gentle- are but the laws of right, as established by com
Mr. VENABLE had moved to strike out all man all my life in reference to other questions, yet mon sense and sanctioned by human reason; and after the word “resolved,” and to insert, I confess that my blood in my veins tingled to my when these laws are violated and trampled down “ That the Speaker be authorized to invite Louis Kossuth finger ends under the glow of patriotic admiration by the strong arm of power, it is the duty alike to a privileged seat within the House." as I read that specimen of noble American pride of nations and of individuals to protest against The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks it proper, that expression of a just consciousness of Amerithe outrage.
under the curious circumstances under which the can power, as well as of American right. The It is not necessary that I should refer here to par- | committee is now acting, to state, that in the records of your negotiations heretofore are marked ticular cases. I have not the time. But it is both | opinion of the Chair the resolution which was by a creeping caution, a fear of giving offence, and the right and duty of the Government to lay down | adopted in the House this morning terminating a shrinking, no evidence of which you find in the her broad and general principles of right, and to debate upon "so much of the President's message letter to which I now refer, and which spoke out as protest against the wrong; and if the protest shall as relates to Louis Kossuth,” does not apply to became not only a Republic, but as became a na- be disregarded, it will be time sufficient for the the resolution now under consideration. The tion of twenty-five millions of freemen, freemen country to determine upon its course when that Chair is of that opinion, because this resolution proud of their character, and, if it please you, sir, hour arrives and the case presents itself. But, in does not connect itself with the message by any proud, in a righteous cause, of their power, 100. my humble judgment, looking to the power and the language which is contained in it.
Mr. WILLIAMS. With the permission of the future destiny of this country, it is its bounden Mr. CLINGMAN. I appeal from that decisgentleman from Ohio, (Mr. Disney,) I desire to duty, in the position which it occupies on the ion. ask him a question. The distinguished gentleman" theatre of the world, 10 protest at any and every Several Voices. “You cannot get the floor." from Virginia (Mr. Bayly) announced to the and at all times against any and every of those Mr. CLINGMAN. I have a right to appeal. House yesterday, seemingly with great pleasure, terrible infractions of the laws of nations that Loud cries of “Order!” “Order!” that there were not ewenty members in this con- may be and sometimes are perpetrated by the Mr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. I have not yielded gress that indorsed the doctrines of Louis Kos- hands of power; and I would protest against the floor, nor do I design to do so unless I am desath. I thought then that he was mistaken, and them, no matter how great or formidable may be cided to be out of order. I desire now to ask the gentleman from Ohio the guilty power. It does not follow as a matter The CHAIRMAN. The Chair made the point whether we are to understand him as indorsing of course, that because you protest against infrac- of order himself, and stated it to the House, and the doctrines of Louis Kossuth?
tions of the sort, you are therefore bound to inter- he thinks that gentlemen have a right to appeal. Mr. DISNEY. If the gentleman will honor vene with armed force upon all occasons. No, || The question now is, “Shall the decision of the Dewy listening to my remarks, he will understand sir; you place yourself right before the world by Chair stand as the judgment of the committee?" precisely where I stand.
the protest. You give the moral power of your If the decision of the Chair shall be overruled, it I desire, then, to say briefly and rapidly-for I position to the doctrines which you announce; and will be regarded by the Chair as a decision that will trespass but little longer upon the committee- if the particular case does indeed require it, why this resolution of the gentleman from Ohio, with thai, in my opinion, the day has gone by when this then you can intervene-aye, if necessity or honor the pending amendment of the gentleman from country may wrap itself up in its own selfishness calls, intervene by force of arms. Having ex- North Carolina, is before the committee, and that and have nothing to do with the affairs of other hausted the time allotted to me, and thus hurried- the resolution adopted by the House terminating nations. I regretted to hear, on yesterday, the ly, rapidly, and imperfectly expressed my views, debate upon so much of the President's message senument advanced by the gentleman from North I take my seat.
as relates to Louis Kossuth, should be applied to Carolina, (Mr. Venable,] that the nations of the Mr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. I have not time that resolution. Earth that had no liberty, deserved to have none. now to reply to the remarks of my colleague,
Mr. JOHNSON, of Tennessee. Is the appeal God cannot love the wretch he starves.
(Mr. Disney;] I will, however, send to the Clerk's debatable? Mr. VENABLE. The gentleman misunder- desk an extract, which I wish to have read to the The CHAIRMAN. As the question of order stood me: I said that they were not ready for committee, from one who, though dead, yet liveth,
on which the appeal is taken grew out of a resoliberty.
I trust, in the hearts of his countrymen; it is from lution to close debate, the appeal, in the opinion Mr. DISNEY. My time is nearly out; I must the Farewell Address of Washington.
of the Chair, is not debatable. hasten. Sir, we are a living antagonism to the
Mr.ORR demanded tellers on the appeal; which despotic Governments of Europe, and they never
The Clerk then read the following extract:
were ordered, and Messrs. VENABLE and Wilcan have peace and quiet there so long as this
“ The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign
Liams appointed. nations, is in extending our commercial relations, lo have country exists with the prosperity and happiness
The question was then taken on the appeal, and with them as little political connection as possible. So far with which it now exists. There is not a steam- as we have already formed engagements, let them be ful
the tellers reported—ayes 8, noes 99—no quorum packet which floats upon the waves of the broad filled with perfect good faith. Here let it stop.
voting. Atlantic, as it bears the letters from emigrants in “Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have Loud cries of “ Call the roll!”" Call the roll!” this country to their friends on the European | gaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be en
The roll was then called, and the absentees continent, but carries the seeds of liberty to that essentially foreign 10 our concerns. Hence, therefore, it noted. The committee rose, and the Speaker harcontinent. There is not a gale which wafts your must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ing resumed the chair, the chairman of the comcommerce across the ocean—there is hardly a
mittee (Mr. Jones) reported that the Committee billow which breaks upon its broad bed which nary combinations and collisions of her friendships or en
of the Whole on the state of the Union had had does not bear upon its bosom the seeds of repub- “Our detached and distant situation invites and enables the Union generally under consideration, and, licanism as they are borne upon their way to
us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people, having found itself without a quorum, ordered the Europe's despotic shores. The very, pictures of under an efficient government, the period is not far off when
roll to be called, and instructed him to report this we may defy material injury froin external annoyance; happiness and prosperity existing in this country, when we may take such an attitude, as will cause the neu
fact to the House, with the names of the absentas the emigrants here describe them, must favor- trality we may at any time resolve upon, to be scrupulously ably impress their friends in Europe as to the respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossi.
A quorum being now present, the committee effect of republican institutions. These letters are bility of making acquisitions upon us, will not hazard the
resumed its session. read throughout the neighborhoods to which they | as our interest, guided by justice. shall counsel. giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war,
Mr. WILLIAMS. I move that the committee are dispatched, and thus we are hourly furnishing "Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation ? rise. a constant and steady supply of republican thoughts Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why by
Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia, demanded tellto the people of Europe. And, sir, when our in
interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, stitutions are having this constant effect upon entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European
ers; which were ordered, and Messrs. Fowler ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?"
and McMullin appointed.
The question was then taken, and the tellers [Cries of “Order!" "Order !” and great con- after the word “resolved," in the original resolureported—ayes 10, noes 95; no quorum voting. fusion.)
tion, and to insert the following, viz: (Cries—Call the roll!” “Call the roll!”]
Mr. CLEVELAND. It is alike disgraceful to That the Speaker be authorized to invite Louis Kossuth
the House and the country. The roll was again called and the committee
to a privileged seat within this House. rose, and the Speaker having resumed the chair,
The CHAIRMAN. Will the gentleman from Mr. JOHNSON, of Tennessee. I move to rethe chairman of the committee reported that the
Connecticut come to order? No debate is in consider the vote by which the decision of the Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union, order.
Chair was reversed. having again found itself without a quorum, had
(Great noise and confusion.]
The CHAIRMAN, The Chair must remind caused the roll to be called, and instructed him to
Mr. RIDDLE. I move that the House do now the gentleman that a motion to reconsider cannet report the facts to the House, with the names of | adjourn. [Laughter and great confusion.]
be made in the Committee of the Whole. the absentees.
The CHAIRMAN said, that the roll would be Mr. CHURCHWELL. I offer the following Mr. SWEETSER. I rise to a privileged mo
called, to ascertain the names of the absentees. amendment to the original resolution: tion. I move a reconsideration of the vote by,
The roll was then called, and the absentees
noted. which this House resolved to adjourn over until having resumed the chair, the chairman of the
The committee rose, and the Speaker
Provided, That by the adoption of the pending resolution
this Government does not depart from its long established Friday.
doctrine of non-intervention, and does not intend to inThe SPEAKER. No motion is now in order committee reported that the Committee of the dorse the doctrine of Kossuth, if that doctrine be direct under the rules and practice of this House. A Whole on the state of the Union, having found
interierence by this Government with foreign Powers. quorum of the House being now present, the itself without a quorum, had ordered the roll to Mr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. I must insist upon chairman of the committee will resume the chair.
be called, and instructed him to report the facts to it that I am entitled to the floor. (Laughter.] At Mr. KING, of Rhode Island. Would it be in
the House, with the names of the absentees. the time the question of order was raised I had the order to move a call of the House?
A quorum being now present, the committee floor, and proposed to amend the amendment ofThe SPEAKER. No business is now in order resumed its session.
fered by the gentleman from North Carolina, (Mr. before the House.
TheCHAIRMAN. The question is, Shall the || VENABLE.) A quorum being now present, the committee decision of the Chair stand as the judgment of the The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Ohio resumed its session. committee?
[Mr. CAMPBELL) will recollect that he was occuThe CHAIRMAN. The question now before
Mr. MARSHALL. I move that the committee | pying the floor under the half-hour rule, when he the committee is on the appeal taken from the de- | rise.
was arrested in his speech, and the committee decision of the Chair by the gentleman from North
The CHAIR is of the opinion that that ques- | termined that he could not proceed under the rule. Carolina, (Mr. ClingmaM.]
tion is not now in order. Nothing has been done Of course he was cut off, and did not have the Mr. LETCHER. I move that the committee | since the committee last found itself without a floor.
Mr. CAMPBELL. I beg leave to say to the rise, and report the resolution offered by the gen- | quorum upon the appeal taken from the decision tleman from Ohio [Mr. Cartter) to the House, I of the Chair. The motion that the committee rise Chair, that I distinctly stated at the time that I with instructions that it pass.
has been put, and therefore the question is not now desired to introduce an amendment. The CHAIRMAN. The motion of the gentle | in order.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman cannot be man from Virginia is not now in order. The ques. Have we not a rule in this House, that every
Mr. DEAN. I would like to make an inquiry: prevented hereafter from offering his amendment. tion is upon the appeal taken by the gentleman
He is certainly, in the opinion of the Chair, not member must vote? from North Carolina, (Mr. ClinGMAN.]
entitled to the floor, as, under the time which was Mr. ORR. I move that the committee rise. It
The CHAIRMAN. That is the rule of the assigned before, the half hour had expired. The is getting late.
House, but I have never yet seen any one forced gentleman from Tennessee [Mr. CHURCHWELL] Mr. FOWLER. I rise to a point of order. It to vote.
offers his amendment to the amendment. is this: We have just taken the question upon
Mr. McMULLIN. We are not governed by Mr. BROOKS called for the reading of the rising, and no business has been done since. It rules. You voted down all rules.
amendment as amended.
The CHAIRMAN. The decision of the Chair The CHAIRMAN, The Chair thinks that the cannot be in order to move that same question is, that the resolution adopted in the House, ter- amendment relating to Kossuth, and the doctrines again at this time,
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Mas- | minating debate upon so much of the President's he has maintained, is in order. sachusetts is mistaken.
message as relates to Louis Kossuth, is not appli- Mr. CHURCHWELL. Mr. Chairman, the Mr. MARSHALL, of Kentucky. As I under- || cable, and does not stop the debate upon the reso- amendment which I offer is intended as an addistand it, the committee rose for want of a quorum lution, which the committee had before it.
tion to the resolution. I do not desire to oppose while there was an appeal pending.
Mr. RICHARDSON. Do I understand the the proposition to welcome Kossuth; but I do de The CHAIRMAN, The gentleman from South
Chair that we cannot make a motion to rise ? sire to inform him that in giving this welcome Carolina moves that the committee now rise.
The CHAIR decides that a motion was made Congress does not intend to indorse the views Mr. CARTTER demanded tellers; which were
that the committee rise, put and negatived. The which he seems to entertain. The honorable genordered, and Messrs. CaRTTER and Brooks were
question then was upon the appeal. Upon that tleman from Ohio, [Mr. Disney,] while he deappointed.
question the committee found itself without a quo- clares himself to be in favor of direct interference The question was then taken, and the tellers re
rum, and, nothing having been done since, a mo- by this Government, asks if we are afraid to en
tion now that the committee rise would not be in ported—ayes 52, noes 85.
counter the spectre of non-interference in our path. order. So the committee refused to rise.
I can answer that gentleman-we have no fear,
Mr. VENABLE. If the Chair will pardon me, nor have the people I have the honor to represent. The question now being upon the appeal taken I rise to make a point of order.
They are the people of Jackson-liberal, generous, by the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. MARSHALL, of Kentucky, demanded | already pending.
The CHAIRMAN. There is one point of order and brave. Nor am I, sir, to be frightened from
the path of duty. I come with liberal views, and tellers; which were ordered, and Messrs. CarTTER and FOWLER were appointed.
Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. I beg the House when I say that my heart is full of sympathy for will indulge me for a moment
those who struggle in the Old World for a change The question was then taken, and the tellers re
[Cries of “I object!" "I object!” “I object!”] of government, and manifest a desire to adopt the ported—ayes 5—and while the noes were being
Mr. STEPHENS. I wish to say a word to institutions under which we have grown prospercounted
the committee, if they will indulge me.
I will on
ous and powerful, I only express the feelings of Mr. CLEVELAND said, I rise for the purpose this question vote to make a quorum, in order that my people. We should be glad to see the instituof asking the Chair to discharge his duties accord
the Chair can entertain a proposition that the com- tions which we so much prize, and which are so ing to the rules of the House.
mittee rise. As the case now stands the motion dear to us, established throughout the civilized (Cries of - Order!” “ Order!") cannot be made.
world. But while we entertain these views and Mr. CLEVELAND. But I ask
The CHAIRMAN. The question will be again (Cries of “Order!” “Order!” “Order!” all | taken by tellers.
are animated by these feelings, I do not feel pre
pared to go the length which Kossuth seems to over the House.]
The tellers (Messrs. Cariter and Fowler) || desire. I am not willing to see resolutions adopted Mr. CLEVELAND. Mr. Chairman, may I | having resumed their places, the question was again | by this Assembly touching the great question of asktaken, and there were-ayes 35, noes 99.
intervention, without expressing my dissent. [Cries of “Order!” “Order!” and great con- The CHAIRMAN 'The decision of the Chair There are no people who are more generous in fusion ]
is overruled, and the committee determines that their feelings than those that I have the honor to The tellers then reported the vote on the appeal | the resolution adopted this morning, terminating represent; but while they would be willing to welof the gentleman from North Carolina, and there
debate and discharging the Committee of the come the distinguished Hungarian, they would not were-ayes 5, noes 89. No quorum voting. Whole from the consideration of so much of the agree that he should be the recipient of the nation's
Mr. CLEVELAND. Yesterday, sir, we list- President's message as relates to Louis Kossuth, honor if by that honor gentlemen mean to indorse ened to
applies to and terminates debate upon the question | his views. The high position of our Republic de(Cries of “Order!”«Order!” “ Hear!” “Hear!"
now pending in the Committee of the Whole. mands that we do not compromise its dignity. and great confusion in the Hall.]
Mr. BOCOCK. I move that the committee | The teachings of that man who is without a model, Mr. CLEVELAND. I call upon the Chair to rise.
the immortal WASHINGTON, who speaks to us from enforce the rule which requires that every member Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia, demanded tell- | yonder canvas as though 'animate with life-the in his seat shall vote.
ers; which were ordered, and Messrs. MEACHAM | recollection of Jefferson, the sagacious states[Cries of “ Order !” 16 Order!”] and VENABLE were appointed.
man–the memory of Jackson, who rests in the Mr. CLEVELAND. I find many of those The question was then taken; and there were bosom of his mother earth at the Hermitage in my who were yesterday denouncing the friends of the 61 ayes and 83 noes.
own native State,-forbid us to take a step which resolution as violators of the Constitution and the So the committee refused to rise.
has no parallel in the records of the history of our rules, now sitting in their seats and doing that of The CHAIRMAN. The question now is upon country. which they accused those who differed with them the amendment offered by the gentleman from Kossuth asks, yea, demands the aid of the in opinion merely.
North Carolina, (Mr. VenaBLE,] to strike out all young American giant in his behalf. Sir, for such