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COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
UNITED STATES SENATE
NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

ON

OVERSIGHT ON THE STATE OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IN AMERICA

TODAY

JUNE 26, 1984

Serial No. J-98-124

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON : 1985

41-2690

For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office,

Washington, D.C. 20402

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

STROM THURMOND, South Carolina, Chairman
CHARLES McC. MATHIAS, JR., Maryland JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., Delaware
PAUL LAXALT, Nevada

EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah

ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia ROBERT DOLE, Kansas

HOWARD M. METZENBAUM, Ohio ALAN K. SIMPSON, Wyoming

DENNIS DECONCINI, Arizona JOHN P. EAST, North Carolina

PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa

MAX BAUCUS, Montana JEREMIAH DENTON, Alabama

HOWELL HEFLIN, Alabama ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania

VINTON DEVANE LIDE, Chief Counsel and Staff Director

DEBORAH K. OWEN, General Counsel

DEBORAH BERNSTEIN, Chief Clerk
MARK H. GITENSTEIN, Minority Chief Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION

ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah, Chairman
STROM THURMOND, South Carolina DENNIS DECONCINI, Arizona
CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa

PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont
STEPHEN J. MARKMAN, Chief Counsel and Staff Director

RANDALL R. RADER, General Counsel

CAROL EPPS, Chief Clerk
ROBERT E. FEIDLER, Minority Chief Counsel

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CONTENTS

STATEMENTS OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS

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Hatch, Hon. Orrin G., chairman, Subcommittee on the Constitution ...........

Leahy, Hon. Patrick ) ....

CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

Tribe, Prof. Laurence H., Harvard Law School, Cambridge, MA; and William

B. Ball, attorney, Harrisburg, PA ......

Sileven, Paster Everett, Faith Baptist Church, Louisville, NE; and Dr. Greg

Dixon, National Chairman of Unregistered Churches, Indianapolis, IN .........

Bergstrom, Rev. Charles V., executive director, office of governmental affairs,

Lutheran Council in the United States of America, Washington, DC............

Moon, Rev. Sun Myung, Unification Church, as given through the translator,

Col. Bo Hi Pak

Panel consisting of: D. James Kennedy, senior minister, Coral Ridge Presbyte-

rian Church, Fort Lauderdale, FL; president, Coalition For Religious Liber-

ty and president, Evangelism Explosion International; Herbert W. Titus,

dean and professor, School of Public Policy, vice president for academic

affairs, CBN University, Virginia Beach, VA; Edward V. Hill, pastor,

Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church, Los Angeles, CA; and John Bu-

chanan, Jr., chairman of the board, People For The American Way, Wash-

ington, DC.......

Weaver, Rev. Paul, Trinity Baptist Church, Route 2-A, Williston, VT .....

ALPHABETICAL LIST AND MATERIALS SUBMITTED

Ball, William B.:

Testimony ............

Responses of Mr. Ball to questions of Senator Hatch

Bergstrom, Rev. Charles V.:

Testimony .....

Prepared statement ..............

The Nature of the Church and Its Relationship With Government, a

statement by the Lutheran Council of the U.S.A .......

Statement to the House Committee on Government Operations, dated

March 4, 1983 .....

Statement to the House Committee on the Judiciary, dated March 9,

1983

Statement to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, dated May 23,

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ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Supplemental comments on behalf of the Unification Church of America,

August 15, 1984......

Second supplemental comments on behalf of the Unification Church of Amer-

ica, December 10, 1984

Letter to Senator Hatch from Edward F. Canfield, dated December 28, 1984,

enclosed a memorandum intended as a background and summary of the

previously submitted supplemental statements..

List of exhibits:

A-Court Interpreters Act, Public Law 95-539, 95th Congress, October 28,

1978..

B-Congressional Record, House, October 10, 1978; Legislative History of

Court Interpreters Act........

C-Affidavit of Robert E. Heggestad, re to conversation with Jack Leeth,

Administrative Office of U.S. Courts ...........

D-Affidavit of Robert E. Heggestad, re to conversation with Manabu

Fukuda, Interpreting Branch of the Language Services Division of the

U.S. Department of State.......
E-Affidavit of Robert E. Heggestad, re to conversation with Dina Kohn,

Director of the U.S. District Court Interpreters Office in New York ........
F-Letter dated October 9, 1984 to Takeru Kamiyama from William R.

Ratchford, Member of Congress, 5th District, Connecticut.
G-Letter dated October 3, 1984 to William R. Ratchford from William E.

Foley, Director, Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts.
H-Letter dated September 28, 1984 to Takeru Kamiyama from Ron

Paul, Member of Congress .............

1-Affidavit of Takeru Kamiyama.....

J-Michiko Kosaka, translator's notes and translations..................................

K-Kinko Sato's brief personal history ........

L-Interview of Mr. Eisuke Sasagawa on his retranslation of the grand

jury hearing of Mr. Taker i Kamiyama by Attorney Kinko Sato, August

25, 1984 .......

M-Report of Kinko Sato entitled “On the Grand Jury Investigation of

Mr. Kamiyama's Conduct in Connection With Suspected Violation of

Tax Laws" dated July 18, 1984 ....

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ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS

Richard Graveley, national director of public affairs International Society for

Krishna Conscious

Dr. Bob Jones, Jr., chancellor, Bob Jones University.

Rev. John D. Stanard III, director, Church of Scientology

The Church of Scientology Creed.............

LETTERS AND ENCLOSURES

Letter to Senator Hatch from G.M. Ross, Ph.D., associate director and con-

gressional liaison, Seventh-Day Adventists, enclosures from the May/June

edition of Liberty magazine...

"Uncle Sam Church Inspector," by Dean M. Kelley

"Home Spun Schools,” by Eric E. Wiggin.
"Should Christian Schools Have State Certified Teachers?" Yes, by James
M. Vukelic; No, by Samuel E. Ericsson ................

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“The Oppressor," by Pat Becarma ...........
"Diplomatic Relations With The Vatican: A Can of Worms,” by Roland R.

Hegstad............

Letter to Senator Hatch from Juanita L. Clay, Ph.D., dated July 22, 1984, re

to a newspaper article .........

"In Defense of Religious Liberty," by Dr. Milton A. Reid, April 27, 1984 ....

Letter to Senator Hatch from Juanita L. Clay, Ph.D., submitting statement .....

Prepared statement of Robert L. Grete, director, Rocky Bayou Christian

School, Niceville, FL ......

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Letters from Mr. Grete to:

Christian Law Association ......

Jerome Kurtz, Commissioner of Internal Revenue, October 2,

1978.

Jerome Kurtz, Commissioner of Internal Revenue, April 11, 1979.

Senator Robert Dole ........
Memorandum to Dr. Paul A. Kienel executive director, ACSI, from William

B. Ball, dated September 13, 1983, re Social Security Tax on Churches.........
"The New Social Security Law," article in the Focus on Freedom by the

Christian Education and Research Foundation ..........
Biblical principles .............
Constitutional principles .........
"The Uneasy Case Against Reverend Moon," by John McClaughry, December

23, 1983, National Review ......

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