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Lords modified some, delayed others, and some they threw out. Instantly there was a cry to abolish or to reform the House of Lords, and the greatest popular orator that probably ever existed [O'Connell] was sent on a pilgrimage over England to excite the people in favour of this opinion. What happened?. .There was dissolution of Parliament....It was discovered that the House of Lords had behind them at least half of the English people. We heard no more cries for their abolition, or their reform, and before two more years passed England was really governed by the House of Lords, under the wise influence of the Duke of Wellington and the commanding influence of Lyndhurst; and such was the enthusiasm of the nation in favour of the Second Chamber that at every public meeting its health was drunk, with the additional sentiment, for which we are indebted to one of the most distinguished members that ever represented the House of Commons [O'Connell], Thank God there is the House of Lords.'" In The Times of Jan. 5, 1895, was printed a letter from Mr. J. G. Swift MacNeill, M.P., headed 'Thank God there is the House of Lords,' taking exception to the attribution of the saying to O'Connell : "On referring to the selected speeches of Lord Beaconsfield published by Messrs. Longmans, from which Mr. Stanley Boulter took the quotation, I find that Lord Beaconsfield did not, in his speech, mention the name of the author of the sentiment. The omission is supplied by the editor of the volume in this laconic foot-note-' O'Connell.' "I venture, however, to think the editor of Lord Beaconsfield's speeches, whose notes are on the whole very accurate, is in error in this particular. For O'Connell' the name of the 14th Earl of Derby should, I think, for the following reasons, be substituted: 1. The Earl of Derby, who was Lord Beaconsfield's predecessor the bill for the Repeal of the Corn Laws. as Tory Prime Minister, opposed as Lord Stanley was,' he said, 'for their lordships to protect the people against those whom they had chosen to represent their opinions, and their reward would be the thanks of a grateful and admiring people, who would then justly exclaim, "Thank God we have a House of Lords. It Then follow further arguments against the attribution of the saying to O'Connell, and in favour of the attribution to Lord Derby. These arguments are precise and clear. In The Times of Jan. 9, 1895, appeared a letter signed Sam. J. Wilde, written from Serjeants' Inn, E.C. : "When in a committee room of the House of erected, as the room in question was one that had Commons before the present buildings were not been burnt (though the top storey had), I heard Alderman Harmer, a very advanced Radical and proprietor of the then notorious current humanity of his age, who, after conWeekly Dispatch, say, upon the committee demning the wild and dangerous attempt of deciding against the views of the Alderman, abolishing the slave trade, ascribing the advocacy Thank God there is a House of Lords.' This is of it to a love either of temporary popularity or long before either of the cases mentioned in The of general mischief, then in his imbecile enTimes of to-day." thusiasm thanks God that there was a House of for a traffic which God had sanctioned and man Lords wise and independent enough to stand up continued (Boswell's Life of Johnson,' vol. vii. p. 23, 1835)." This letter, not dated, no doubt refers to Mr. MacNeill's letter. Unfortunately, Mr. Wilde did not give the year when he heard Alderman Harmer's exclamation. The Houses of Parliament were burnt in October, 1834, in which year Mr. Samuel John Wilde, born 1820 (see Men at the Bar,' by Joseph Foster, 2nd ed., 1885), was fourteen years old. If he meant that he heard the exclamation when he was practising as a barrister, it must have been after Lord Stanley's speech, seeing that the date of the speech is May 25, 1846, and Mr. Wilde was not called to the bar until Nov. 20, 1846. If he meant, writing from Serjeants' Inn, that he heard Alderman Harmer's exclamation when he (Mr. Wilde) was a boy in his teens, possibly visiting the committee room with his father, who was a barrister, it may be presumed that he would have said so. His letter is so lacking in precision that I think it should be regarded as negligible. I may here quote Lord Stanley's ipsissima verba as given in Hansard, 3rd series, vol. lxxxvi. col. 1176: "Your best reward, my Lords, will be the approval of your own consciences; but doubt not that you will have a farther reward in the approbation of a grateful and admiring nation, to which you will have given just cause to exclaim, Thank God, we have a House of Lords.'". Debate on the Corn Importation Bill. This was the peroration of a three hours' speech. Palmerston told Greville that it was far the best speech that Stanley ever made, and that nobody could make a better. Lord Lansdowne told somebody that it was the finest speech that he ever heard in Parliament. See Greville Memoirs,' 2nd part, vol. ii. p. 395. That Lord Stanley (later 14th Earl of Derby), who had been raised to the peerage in 1844 as Lord Stanley of Bickerstaffe, invented the saying in this speech cannot be maintained. In The Edinburgh Review of July, 1836 (all but ten years before the speech, and when Wilde was aged sixteen), vol. lxiii. p. 375, s.v. Correspondence relating to the Slave Trade,' is the following: "Did not the beginning of this century witness the avowed hostility of their opponents ?-and at the end of the last were not the abolitionists called levellers and anarchists? Let us take, as an instance, Boswell, a man probably not behind the In the 1822 edition the reference is vol. iii. p. 207, or generally near the end of Johnson atat. 68, year 1777. The assertion that Boswell thanked God that there was 8 House of Lords, &c., is merely the reviewer's interpretation of Boswell's sentiment. What Boswell writes about the House of Lords at the references given, after protesting in strong words (some of which are quoted by the Edinburgh reviewer) against the abolition of the slave trade, is simply MARKSHALL AND THE HONYWOOD FAMILY. (See 10 S. ix. 144; 12 S. iii. 53.) So much of interest attaches to the bygone may be allowed to add the following to the owners of Markshall, Essex, that perhaps I notes that have already appeared. The Honiwoods* were Lords of the Cinque Ports, and, according to Hasted's History of Kent,' two families descended from John Honiwood of Hunwood, viz., John his heir, the progenitor of the line of baronets; and Robert, the ancestor of the family of Charing (Kent) and Markshall (Essex). The latter, who died in 1576, married Mary, daughter of John Waters of Lenham (láter celebrated for the number of her descendants). Their son and heir (another Robert, born 1545, died 1627) was twice married: first, to Dorothy Crook, by whom he was father of Sir Robert Honywood, Kt., of Charing (of him anon); secondly, to Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Thomas Browne of Betchworth Castle, Surrey, by whom he had Sir Thomas Honywood (b. 1586, d. 1666), his successor at Markshall. He purchased that estate in 1605 of John Cole, and is said to have entirely rebuilt the front of the house. The alterations were completed in 1609, when the date and the initials "R. H. O." were cut into the mantelpiece of one of the rooms. In a little book published in 1869 by Bryan Dale, entitled The Annals of Coggeshall,' it is stated that 'My father married my mother in Febuarie, 1543, as by her owne speech affirminge that she was married at Shroftyde....As also appeareth true by the indentures of marriage y passed between my father and grandfather Waters. My mother also saith yt I was borne at Royton upon Michaelmas Eve's eve near twelve moneth followinge, whehe was ye 27th of September, 1545. So I am at Michaelmas Eve's eve, 1612, of the age of 67 years. the ground. Here happened a wonder, for the Her grandson Dr. Michael Honywood (b. 1597, d. 1681), when Dean of Lincoln, related that he was once present at a dinnerparty given by her to two hundred of her progeny. Her son Robert Honywood died at Markshall on June 11, 1627, leaving several sons, of whom Thomas (b. 1585, d. 1666) succeeded him in the Essex estate. "the "Sir Thomas was," says Mr. Dale, grandson of Mrs. Mary Honywood, and having been trained up at her feet, it is not surprising that he abhorred intolerance and oppression of every kind." He had come to reside at Markshall in 1627, At the time of and was knighted in 1632. the breaking out of the Civil War he was "My mother departed this life at my house at 50 years of age, but he threw himself into Markshall uppon Tewesday, ye 16th day of May, the Parliament cause with all the ardour of 1620, in ye 93rd yeare of her age, and, accordinge youth. He raised a regiment of horse and to her desire, was buryed in Lenham church, in ye county of Kent, uppon Saturday then follow-foot, and at the siege of Colchester was inge... colonel of a regiment of Essex men. a member of Oliver's Parliaments in 1654 and 1656, and one of his lords of the other House. He died on May 26, 1666, at the house of his son-in-law Sir John Cotton at Westminster, aged 80, and was buried at Markshall. [The writer's son] Thomas Honiwood was borne at Bechworth Castle in Surrey, also uppon Sunday ye xv of January, 1587, about four in ye morning, and was baptised in ye Chappell ther. Sir Thomas Browne, myne Uncle, Richard Browne of Cranley, and his wife were witnesses." Over the fireplace in the dining-room at Markshall long hung the portrait of Robert Honywood (died 1576) and of his wife Mary. It represented her in her habit of widowhood, with a book in her hand. On her hat was inscribed "Etatis Sue 70," and on the other side "Anno Dni. 1579." She is said to have deeply sympathized with the religious martyrs, and to have visited and comforted them in prison. Thomas Fuller in his Worthies' wrote:"Mrs. Mary Honywood being much afflicted in mind, many ministers repaired unto her, amongst the rest the Rev. John Fox....All his counsels proved ineffectual, in so much that, in the agony of her soul, she-having a Venice glass in her hand-brake forth into this expression, 'I am as surely damned as this glass is broken,' which she immediately threw with violence to He was His widow, Dame Hester, followed him to the grave in October, 1681, when the incumbent, Mr. Livermere, in her [funeral sermon, said : "She came of pious and religious parents, such as were tried and grown up under persecution.... She was daughter of John Le Mott, a London merchant whose parents came from Flanders, driven out by religious persecution." Sir Thomas Honywood had four sons, of whom Thomas, the third son, died s.p. in 1672, and was succeeded by his brother John Le Mott Honywood, who reigned at Markshall from 1672 until 1693. He was High Sheriff in 1689, and M.P. in 1692, when a local diarist, Joseph Bufton, wrote: "A bonfire was made at Coggshall on the 15th of Februarie, for joy that Squire Honywood had got the day of Sir Eleab Harvey, and was not old.' To return to Robert Honywood, who In 1715 he was forgiven, and commissioned purchased Markshall in 1605: it will be to raise a troop of horse in Essex and remembered that his son and heir Sir Chelmsford. The warrant was dated July 22, Robert was of Charing in Kent," where he 1715. (This regiment, then known as Honywas knight of the shire from 1601. He wood's Dragoons, is now the 11th Hussars.) married Alice, daughter of Sir Martin In 1719 he commanded a brigade in the Barham, and had a family of twenty children. expedition against Spain, took possession Of these, Isaac was killed at the siege of of the town of Vigo, was appointed majorMaestricht; Benedict fought as a captain general in 1726, made K.B. for his eminent in the Low Countries; and Philip (baptized services, and was appointed Governor of at Charing on Jan. 2, 1617, as the ninth Portsmouth in May, 1740. He died at son and fourteenth child of his parents) Blackheath, June 17, 1752, and by a will, served and was knighted in the Royalist dated May 15, 1742, left the contents of his army. *He was appointed Commander-in-house at Blackheath, and the furniture of Chief of the forces at Portsmouth in 1662; two rooms in his house at Inglefield Green, was promoted Lieutenant-Governor of that to Sarah (Wright) his wife; and if he died town on July 14, 1666; purchased the at Portsmouth, he desired to be buried in estate of Pett in Charing of his brother the little chapel that adjoins Government Sir Robert in 1673; and was there buried on House." There is an entry in the Greenwich Jan. 5, 1684/5. burial register of 1752: "June 25th. General Sir Philip Honywood carried to Portsmouth." He was no doubt buried at the Garrison Chapel, which at that time was the principal military burial-place, but there is no record of his interment, nor is any monument to his memory known to exist. F. H. S. "Sir Robert Honywood [b. 1601, d. 1686], being of a military disposition, spent many years abroad in the wars of the Palatinate, in the rank of a colonel, and was one of those gallant English volunteers that espoused the interests of Frederick, King of Bohemia, and a great part of his patrimony was sacrificed in that service." Knighted, as steward of the Queen of Bohemia, 1625, member of Council of State 1659, he went on an embassy to Sweden, and in 1673 translated Battista Nani's History of the Affairs of Europe.' His wife was Frances, daughter of Sir Henry Fane (Treasurer of the Household of Charles I.), and the mother of his sixteen children. Of these, Charles Lodwick served under his uncle Sir Philip Honywood at Portsmouth as a captain, and, with his wife Pricilla, baptized five sons in that town, viz., Charles, born 1669; Robert, 1670; James, 1672; Charles, and Philip. The last-mentioned became the wellknown East Anglian hero General Sir Philip Honywood, whose youthful exploits still form the theme of fireside tales. He was commissioned__ensign__in Col. Stanley's Regiment of Foot in June, 1694, and was present at the siege of Namur in 1695. Appointed captain in the Earl of Huntingdon's newly raised regiment of foot in March, 1702, he became colonel of Roger Townshend's Regiment on May 27, 1709, and shared in its sufferings at the siege of *The following information is supplied by Mr. Alfred T. Everett of Portsmouth. Highwood. (To be concluded.) SIR JOHN FIELDING. IN the Memoirs of William Hickey' (Hurst & Blackett), the second instalment of which has just appeared, Hickey, writing of his experiences in 1766, remarks (vol. i. P. 71): "The third brothel was kept by Mother Cocksedge, for all the Lady Abbesses were dignified with the respectable title of Mother. In these days of wonderful propriety and general Cocksedge's house was actually next, of course morality, it will scarcely be credited that Mother under the very nose of that vigilant and upright magistrate, Sir John Fielding, who, from the riotous proceedings I have been a witness to at his worthy neighbour's, must have been deaf as well as blind, or at least well paid for affecting to be |