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Senator ROBERTSON. May I make a suggestion about procedure: No member of this committee can remember everything that has been said here this morning.
I suggest that the transcript should go to the witnesses for correction and nothing individually be given out by us but the whole thing be given out by the chairman.
Senator SPARKMAN. I think we should have this record printed as fast as possible and give it to the press, because everybody will have a different interpretation.
Senator MOODY. Is there any objection, if I may ask, for members of the press to take a look at the whole record, as Senator Robertson pointed out this afternoon? · The CHAIRMAN. We will get the transcript back at 6 o'clock this afternoon. If anybody wants to read it at 6 o'clock it will be available.
Mr. FEINSINGER. When do you want it back, Senator?
The CHAIRMAN. I would like to have it back by 9 o'clock in the morning.
Senator BENTON. I think we should see the charts submitted by Mr. Arnall.
Senator CAPEHART. I have some further questions I want to ask.
The CHAIRMAN. We will do this. We will recess at 12:15. We will continue the hearing at 3 o'clock. Is that agreeable? Senator CAPEHART. With these gentlemen present?
'he CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator FREAR. My first question goes to Mr. Feinsinger, and it is addressed to the questioning of Senator Dirksen, where the Board recommended that the parties incorporate a union shop provision in their union contract.
Quoting from the report:
The CHAIRMAN. Let me say one thing for the benefit of the Senators, if I might. A decontrol statement was sent here by Governor Arnall. He did not want to release it until this committee had seen it.
When he left his office this morning, he thought we would have a chance to read it, and release it at 1 o'clock.
What we had reference to was the testimony in here on this critical steel situation that might cause trouble if we talk out of turn.
Mr. A'RNALL. Is there any way I can insert into the record, the full story on the pricing of steel, which is quite a document, here, together with the charts explaining the price structure? The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, it will be inserted in the record. (The document referred to will be found in the appendix, p. 2408.)
Senator FREAR. I gather that your answer, Dr. Feinsinger, is that the public members joined in the recommendation?
Mr. FEINSINGER. Yes.
Senator FREAR. Then they say, “After they found themselves unable to secure a majority in favor of their own proposal."
As I understand it, the proposal of the public members was to send this back to collective bargaining—that is to employees and employers?
Mr. FEINSINGER. That is right, sir.
Senator FREAR. But, with the statement that if they failed to agree, it should be returned to the Wage Stabilization Board?
Mr. FEINSINGER. That is right, Senator. Senator FREAR. Now, how was it you did not get a majority? Who disagreed to that?
Mr. FEINSINGER. Both sides.
Senator FREAR. Neither labor nor industry would go along with the public members' proposal?
Mr. FEINSINGER. For different reasons.
I believe he has made the statement that the figures he has quoted are agreed to by the steel industry?
Mr. ARNALL. It is my understanding that those figures are agreed to between representatives of the Office of Price Stabilization and representatives of the steel people insofar as the statisticians are concerned.
Senator FREAR. That is also effective for your statement before the Senate Labor and Public Welfare Committee of April 16. Those figures in that, you would make the same answer.
Mr. ARNALL. That is my understanding. Let me say, if there is any controversy about those figures, we have not heard about it, and if there is, I will be the first to modify the figures if they are not right, but it is my understanding they are agreed figures. Senator FREAR. I do not know to whom to address this question.
Does the National Labor Relations Board still handle unfair labor practices?
Mr. FEINSINGER. Yes.
Mr. FEINSINGER. That is my answer. I do not know if it is right. You gentlemen represent the public. Whatever you do is 0. K. with me.
Senator FREAR. Now, you are answering the questions according to the way I thought they should be answered, and I will not condemn Mr. Putman for saying the courts, but that lays the ground work for me, and that answers a question.
Now, this is my final question, and I want to ask that of whoever wants to answer it.
What were the recommendations of Charles Wilson in the settlement of the steel strike?
Mr. PUTNAM. I think I was closer to him than anybody else. I would ride into town with him every morning. I do not think he had any recommendations as to this except in the very early stages, when he wanted to go along with the idea of no wage increase and no price increase. He finally agreed that they must have a cost of living adjustment, but he hoped that the wage settlement would be limited to that objective.
I do not think he ever really moved from that position. I think you feel more strongly than I do about it, Dr. Feinsinger.
Senator FREAR. He made publicly, a statement that the rug was pulled out from under bim. I assumed that that was because his recommendations were not agreed to by the Wage Stabilization Board.
Mr. FEINSINGER. His position was all along, no wage increase, no price increase; that at most, a cost-of-living increase, period, but at no time did Charley Wilson ever accuse this Board of breaking its regulations. At no time.
The CHAIRMAN. He said cost-of-living increase. Did I understand you to say that?
Mr. PUTNAM. I said that.
The CHAIRMAN. Did I understand Mr. Feinsinger to say that he believed in the cost-of-living increase?
Mr. FEINSINGER. Never said it to me, Senator. When the cost of living was up about 9 cents, Charley Wilson was talking about 472 or 5.
Mr. PUTNAM. That is true. I do not think he quite followed the cost-of-living indexes as they went up.
Senator FREAR. I would like to ask the Governor to comment on that, but before he does, I would like to ask were those statements you attributed to Charles Wilson applicable to all industries?
Mr. FEINSINGER. We did not have any general discussion. You see, Charley Wilson felt that we had a wage freeze, and a price freeze. He reluctantly would agree, after thorough discussion, that that is not what Congress legislated, that Congress legislated a wage and price stabilization policy, Congress did a good job, ard I would like to submit some records to show that your agency, my Board, has done a good job, too.
If you will permit me, I will give you the figures on what we have done by way of keeping wage increases under control.
The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, that will be printed in the record.
(The exhibits referred to follow :)
TABLE 1.- Adjusted average hourly earnings —percent increase The increase in adjusted average hourly earnings under stabilization has been less than prefreeze periods, even over comparable or shorter periods of time.
PerPost-freeze: January 1951-February 1952 (13 months), February 1951-Feb- cent ruary 1952 (12 months).
4. 7 Pre-Korea, prefreeze: January 1950-January 1951 (12 months).
7. 9 January 1950-February 1951 (13 months)
8. 5 Post-Korea, prefreeze: June 1950-January 1951 (7 months)
6.5 June 1950–February 1951 (8 months).
7.1 1 Adjusted average hourly earnings of production and related workers in manufacturing following January 1950 represent gross average hourly earnings excluding overtime and the effect of interindustry shifts in employment after January 1950.
TABLE II.-Adjusted average hourly earnings - Average monthly increase The average monthly rate of increase in adjusted average hourly earnings has slowed markedly under stabilization as compared with prefreeze periods, postWorld War II periods, and comparable periods under War Labor Board wage stabilization.
January 1951-February 1952.
February 1951-February 1952_ Pre-Korea, prefreeze:
January 1950-January 1951.
January 1950-February 1951. Post-Korca, prefreeze:
June 1950-January 1951.
June 1950- February 1951...
January 1948-February 1949.
February 1946-February 1947.
October 1942-November 1943.
0.4 of 1 percent.
. 010 .012
0.6 of 1 percent. 0.6 of 1 percent.
1 Adjusted average hourly earnings of production and related workers in manufacturing following January 1950 represent gross average hourly earnings excluding overtime and the effect of interindustry shifts in employment after January 1950. Adjusted average hourly earnings in World War II exclude overtime and the effect of interindustry shifts in employment after January 1941.