we have powers in that respect. Who were those parties you spoke of ?-A. I cannot give you the names of the parties. It is like a great many other things that come up, Q. Who was it that informed you of the fact?-A. I cannot give you their names. I cannot possibly give you the names, but it came to my ear in the committee-room, like thousands of other things do, and I have a memorandum in my pocket-a memorandum I made in regard to that election. I cannot tell you who it was, but it was given to me by a Republican, and I made a memorandum, and there is an impression upon my mind concerning it, and I know I got the opinion, and I have a memorandum of it now, but I cannot tell you who gave it to me.

Q. You did not want the Democrats to have a ticket like the Republican ticket?— A. I have answered that question squarely. We do not want them to counterfeit our ticket.

Q. You did not want them to duplicate it ?-A. No, sir.

Q. You did not want them to get up one in the same style?-A. That is one of the objects of keeping our ticket quiet, that they cannot duplicate it. They are as close with their ticket as we are with ours.

Q. That is the reason you locked them up in the safe?-A. Yes, sir; certainly. Q. That is the reason you watched over them so carefully?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. That is the only reason why you selected that paper of the Journal Co. ?—A. In using it I used my judgment and discretion, as I thought I ought to do in my position, and as my predecessors had always done in theirs, and I selected a good quality of paper, for the further reason that there was liable to be rain and wet weather in Novem ber, in which case tickets printed on inferior paper would be liable to stick together and two or more go into the box at once and be thrown out.

Q. That is the reason you did select that paper and had it printed on that material and locked them up and kept them in that manner?-A. Yes, sir. I have stated fully that my reason was to keep the ticket from being counterfeited. I think that is entirely legitimate.

Q. What do you mean by being counterfeited?-A. Why, get the ticket and lock it up and keep them from getting a ticket like it, or near like it as possible, so as to deceive and defraud voters.

Q. You spoke of this heading being engraved on the Republican ticket. Is that a wood-cut or lithograph?-A. I do not know; I do not know anything about it.

Q. Is it electrotyped?-A. I expect that is electrotyped. I do not know whether it is or not. I am not a printer and I do not know, but my understanding is that they are engravings.

Q. Do you not understand that printing from wood is engraving as much so as from stone or steel or copper?-A. No; I did not.

Q. You would not know the difference, then?-A. I could look at a ticket and could tell whether it is an engraving or not; but beyond that I do not believe I could tell anything about it.

Q. You have heard of wood-engravings?-A. Yes, sir.

Questions by Mr. PEELLE :

Q. State if that Democratic ticket in 1882 at the Congressional election is not a wood-cut.-A. I should think that was a wood-cut.

Q. And if this Democratic ticket voted for Franklin Landers in 1880 is not also an engraving on wood.-A. I would say that they were engraved tickets; probably wood-cuts.

Mr. WILSON. Do you know whether they had at the Journal Co., the night you were there before the election, any of these old Democratic tickets?-A. Not that I know of.

FRANK H. SMITH, being duly sworn, testified as follows :

Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE :

Q. State your name, age, and residence.-A. Frank H. Smith; 30 years old res dence, Indianapolis, Ind.

Q. What is your business?-A. Printer.

Q. Are you carrying on business for yourself?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What is it?-A. Jobbing establishment.

Q. How long have you been in that business?-A. About five years for myself. Q. Are you familiar with the different grades and qualities of paper?—A. Yes, sir; in general use.

Q. I hand you a ticket headed "Republican ticket" and marked Exhibit A to, the deposition C. F. Holliday, and I will ask you to take that ticket a nd examine it and state what kind of paper that ticket is printed on.-A. It looks to me like it was a heavy book-paper more than anything else; I thought it might possibly be a light card-board, and that is the reason I lit it.

Q. What kind of paper is it ?—A. It is rather peculiar book paper; different from any

we use.

Q. What grade of book paper would you call it ?-A. I would call it No. 2 book-paper. It is very heavy paper, of course; sometimes paper is used a little heavier thau that in books, but very seldom that heavy. It resembles plate paper a little, but it has not got the body to it and has not got high enough finish for that. That is about the only thing I can make out of it. It does not tear like card-board or anything like that and it does not burn like it.

Q. Does it tear like plate paper ?-A. No, sir; it is not strong enough for that; it might be made for that; it may be an inferior quality of that, but it looks more to me like book paper than anything else.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. Do you know the difference between eastern and in fact almost all the papers we use are eastern plate. called western plate.

western plate?-A. Yes, sir; There is a paper used that is

Q. Is not that western plate?-A. I do not know. The paper we use is eastern plate; it may be they call that western plate, and it might be sold for that.

Q. I hand you specimen of paper and ask you what that is?-A. That is more like plate paper or light card-board. There is not much difference between very thin bristol-board and plate paper-a very slight difference except card-board generally comes by the ply and generally two or three sheets together.

Q. What do you say that is?-A. That is likely a very thin bristol-board or plate paper. It looks that way to me.

Q. You would say that is the same article, wouldn't you [handing witness piece of paper]?-A. That is about the same.

Q. If you want to make any experiments with that you may do so and tell us what it is.-A. That has got more the appearance of a plate paper, but what I use is a little more highly finished than that.

Q. You think that is plate paper?-A. Yes, sir; we would not use that for the purpose of plate perhaps; it is principally used for plates, steel or copper, and it has to be firm paper and well finished.

Mr. WILSON. I offer that paper as an exhibit to the deposition of the witness on cross-examination, and ask that it be marked.

(The paper will be found attached to the deposition as a part thereof and marked as Exhibit No. 1.)

Q. I call your attention to a specimen marked Exhibit B to the cross-examination of Mr. Salsbury; what is that?-A. That is blotting paper, I think.,

Q. What sort of blotting paper?-A. I do not know exactly what term it has. We do not use that to print on, on account of the rough surface, and it is injurious to type, but we sell it for office use.

Q. That is plain white blotting ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What is this marked Exhibit N to the deposition of Mr. Salsbury?-A. I think that is plate paper; it is a little too soft for bristol-board; I use about like that and it appears to be more like thin bristol-board-100 pounds bristol or something like that.

Q. I call your attention to this specimen marked as follows, shown to witness C. E. Devine on cross-examination Nov. 3, 1883, and at the same time marked by me as stenographer as follows: "Philadelphia, Paul C. Hendricks, stenographer."—A. That is blotting paper. Q. What is the color of it ?-A. I should think it was white.

Q. Is it plain white?-A. Yes, sir; that is plain white.

Q. I show you Exhibit No. 4 to the cross-examination of Mr. J. G. Sexton, and I will ask you what that is?-A. I think that is a cheap quality of bristol. I have used one about like that in a light-weight bristol. This plate paper and bristol is not very different, and they resemble each other a great deal. They are about the same thickness, and very light bristol and plate resemble each other a great deal, but generally plate paper has a higher finish and sometimes it is heavier; sometimes it is finished heavier for portraits.

Q. I will show you this Exhibit No. 5 to the cross-examination of J. G. Sexton, and I will ask you what that is?-A. That seems to me to be a piece of rough writing paper, or ledger paper of some kind.

Q. I will ask you to take that ticket headed "Democratic ticket," and marked Exhibit 3 to the deposition of W. B. Burford, being the ticket voted at the Congressional election in 1882 by the Democrats in this city, and I will ask you what that is?-A. That is a No. 2 book paper, or else that is a cheap grade of book paper. Mr. WILSON. What are your politics-A. I am a Republican. My father was a Democrat and my brothers and all the rest of the family but me.

FRANK H. SMITH. Exhibit No. 1 to cross-examination of Frank H. Smith.-Paul C. Hendricks, Notary Public (Omitted. See original, page 1765.)

(In pencil:) Shown to C. L. Divine, on cross-examination, and at the same time marked by me as stenographer, as follows: Indianapolis, Nov. 7, '83, Paul C. Hendricks, stenographer.

WILL H. MARTZ, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. State your name, age, and residence.-A. Will H. Martz, age 29, and residence Indianapolis, Ind.

Q. What is your occupation?-A. Practicing law.

Q. Did you ever occupy any official position?-A. No, sir.

Q. Did you attend the Congressional election in this city in 1882?-A. Yes, sir. 2. What precinct and ward?-A. In the 8 ward, and I think in the 1st precinct. Q. I hand you a ticket headed "Republican ticket," and marked Exhibit No. 1 to the deposition of James C. Yohn, and I will ask you to state if that is the Republican ticket voted at your precinct on that day?-A. Yes, sir; I think it was.

Q. I hand you ticket headed "Democratic ticket," and marked Exhibit No. 3 to the depositton of W. B Burford, and I will ask you to state if that is the Democratic ticket voted at that precinct on that day.-A. It looks like the same ticket.

Q. Did you occupy any official position at the polls ?-A. I was about the polls all