of the Republican ticket voted in November, 1882-A. It would probably be a bulkier ticket, but not as heavy.

Q. Bulkier than the Republican ticket voted in 1882-A. I do not want you to misunderstand me. I say that the ticket once folded, is a great deal bulkier than this Republican ticket.

Q. You refer to the national ticket voted for Winfield Scott Hancock when you say it is bulkier than the Republican ticket?-A. Yes, sir; take the appearance in a man's hand-let me modify that. I am talking simply of the quality of the paper, and I would modify that statement this much-if it had as much surface. If it had as long a surface; if it was as long a ticket.

Q. I am asking you, taking it now as it stands.-A. Take it now as it stands, only being half as long, it would not be as bulky. I thought you were trying to get at the size of the ticket.

Q. No, sir.-A. No, sir; that has nothing to do with it. I can fold this ticket (Republican ticket voted in 1882) so that it will not occupy more than half the space of the other.

Q. Do voters usually do that?-A. Some do and some do not; that is a matter of taste; some voters do not fold them at all.

Q. Take the Republican ticket of November, 1882.-A. If you will permit me to do that.

Q. Fold them both alike.-A. No; I will not do anything of the kind. Voters do not do that. I simply say I can fold this ticket so as to make it more bulky than the Republican ticket. I want to show you that the question of bulkiness has nothing to do with the weight of the paper. [Witness folded the two tickets.] I say that that ticket is more bulky than that; this Democratic ticket-the Winfield Scott Hancock ticket.

Q. You say that the Winfield Scott Hancock ticket is more bulky than the Republican ticket voted in November, 1882-A. Yes, sir; as I fold it.

Q. As tickets are ordinarily folded, what would you say about it?-A. I will say that there is no ordinary rule for folding it.

Q. Have you folded those tickets in an ordinary way, or an extraordinary way?-A. I have folded them, in one sense of the word, extraordinary, but in a way that any voter might fold his ticket.

Q. You folded that ticket by pressing and creasing and bending the Republican ticket voted November, 1882, and the other you just bundled together and did not crease at all.-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Look at this Republican ticket voted for Garfield, and I will ask you if that ticket, when folded, would not make a ticket of the same bulk as the Republican ticket voted November, 1882?-A. It would not; because there is not the amount of paper in it. That depends solely upon the fold of the ticket.

Q. I will ask you then, whether or not, in the last ten years, there has been voted by either party, or any party, a ticket which, when folded, would be as bulky as the Republican ticket voted in 1882 ?—A. I did not say anything about the bulk, sir. I said there were tickets voted that were as heavy.

Q. My question is as to the bulk when folded.-A. I would simply say that that depends solely upon the fold. You cannot get at it specifically, to give the bulk for any ticket. I can fold one piece of paper very small, and take a piece of paper half as large and make twice as much bulk.

Q. You are supposing that about an average fold?—A. The average voter does not fold them any specific way. There is no rule. One man may fold his ticket length

wise and make it bulkier, or he may fold it end to end.

Q. There is no uniform rule?-A. No, sir.

Q. Then by a non-uniform rule, has there, in the last ten years, been used a ticket showing in bulk of fold like the weight and dimensions of the Republican ticket?— A. That qustion cannot be answered. You can fold your ticket as you please. I can fold a small ticket so it will be bulkier than a large ticket. I say to you that this paper-the Republican Presidential Garfield ticket-is the same kind of paper this [indicating] is. It is a highly calendered paper, probably fifty pounds.

D. W. COFFIN, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Direct examination by Mr. Peelle:

HENRY JAMESON.

Q. Your name, age, and residence ?-A. D. W. Coffin; I am 42 years old; I live at 432 N. Pen sylvania street, Indianapolis.

Q. Your business?-A. Wholesale grocer.

Q. How long have you been in that business?-A. Eighteen years.

Q. Did you ever occupy any official position?-A. Never.

Q. I will ask you to state if you attended the election in this city for Congress in 1882, and other offices.-A. I did.

Q. What precinct and ward?-A. In the 6th ward. I do not know what precinct; it was on the west side of Fort Wayne avenue.

Q. Did you act in any official capacity there that day?-A. No, sir.

Q. As challenger, or looker ou?-A. I was there looking on.

Q. Were you there much of the time?-A. All day.

Q. Were you not acting as challenger that day ?-A. No, sir; I did not act as challenger. I never acted as challenger at any time.

Q. I will ask you to take that ticket headed "Republican ticket," and marked as Exhibit A to the deposition of C. F. Halliday, and state if that is the ticket voted, according to your recollection, at that election.-A. Yes, sir; that is the ticket.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed Democratic ticket," and marked as Exhibit B to the deposition of Mr. Halliday, voted at the same election by the Democrats, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket, according to your recollection, that was used there that day.-A. Yes; I think it is. I do not remember all the names on it. I know the majority of them, and they were the names that were voted for at that time.

Q. I will ask you to state if when this Republican ticket is folded as tickets are ordinarily folded by voters when in their hands, and they go up to the ballot-box and deposit their ballots, if you could tell one ticket from the other by looking at them at the polls.-A. I know I could not, because I tried to discover that thing that day. No, sir; I do not think I could. I was about there, and seeing a ticket folded I could not tell from the outside, or when it was folded, which it was. Q. And you made some effort to do that?-A. I did; yes, sir.

Q. And you failed to discover what ticket a man was voting by observation, when the ticket was folded?—A. I could not tell. I remember one time of one man that I was very sure voted the Republican ticket. I thought, from the appearance of it, that it was the Republican ticket, and had told some one I thought so, and afterwards it turned out that it was the Democratie ticket.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. You said that you were sure he voted the Republican ticket?-A. Yes, sir. Q. From the appearance of it ?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was the appearance of it?-A. It appeared like the Republican ticket. Q. What is the appearance of that Republican ticket?-A. A piece of white paper folded up.

Q. Is it not a pretty stiff ticket?-A. Yes; the paper is stiff.

Q. It is a good deal thicker than the Democratic ticket, is it not ?—A. I think it is a heaver ticket.

Q. Is it not two or three times as thick as that Democratic ticket?—A. No, sir; it is not two or three times as thick.

Q. You say it is not double as thick?--A. No, sir; I do not believe it is double as thick; it is heavier paper.

Q. And has a much superior finish to it, has it not?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. And it is stiffer, is it not?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was it not that reason that guided you in trying to determine what kind of a ticket the man was voting ?-A. No; I do not think it was.

Q. You did not pay any attention to that?-A. No, sir; I could not say that I did. Q. You say you were not a challenger?-A. No, sir.

Q. Can you tell the difference between those two tickets when you get them in your hands; feeling them when they are folded up?-A. I do not know; I did not handle any Democratic tickets.

Q. You did not investigate those very thoroughly then?-A. No, sir.
Q. What are your politics?-A. I am a Republican.

Re-examination by PEELLE:

Q. What is the color of that Republican ticket?-A. They are both white.

Q. Plain white?-A. Yes, sir; I should think so; there may be a slight difference in the color.

Q. Is that what is popularly understood as plain white paper?—A. Yes, sir; I

should take them both to be white tickets.

Recross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. In point of fact, is not that plate paper?-A. These tickets have been handled a great deal. There may be a difference in the color. I would not want to swear whether that was the color of the Republican ticket and the Democratic ticket on the day of the election. I say they were both white. There is a difference in the color now, a slight difference, but whether that was the color exactly that day I would not want to swear, but I say they were both white tickets.

Questions by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. You mean difference in shade, when you say difference in color?-A: Yes, sir; there is an apparent difference in shade in these two tickets now.

Q. But they are both white?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. And there is white paper of different shades?-A. Yes, sir; certainly.

H. C. ALLEN, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE:

DAVID W. COFFIN.

Q. Your name, age, and residence?-A. H. C. Allen; age, 39; residence, Indianapo lis, Ind.

Q. What is your business?-A. Attorney at law.

Q. How long have you been an attorney?-A. Since 1870.

Q. Have you ever held any official positions in this State?-A. I have been judge of elections, if that is an official position.

Q. State if you were judge of the election in 1882, of the Congressional election. -A. That is my recollection.

Q. I now hand you this ticket, headed "Republican ticket," and marked as Exhibit A to the deposition of C. F. Halliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket voted by the Republicans at that election, if you remember.-A. I recognize that as being just such a ticket as they voted.

Q. I hand you now a ticket headed "Democratic ticket," and marked as Exhibit B to the deposition of C. F. Halliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the Democratic ticket that was voted at that election, if you know.-A. That is my recollection; that that is the ticket.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Democratic ticket," with the words "Democratic ticket" printed across a flag, purporting to be the ticket voted for Franklin Landers and others in 1880, and marked as Exhibit D to the deposition of Mr. William Wallace, and I will ask you if you recollect that as the ticket that was voted in 1880 at that election.

(Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. I would say that my recollection is not so good on this subject, but that my judgment is that that is the same ticket that was voted at that time.

(Objected to as not competent.)

(Continued.) In answer to that question I would say that my recollection is that that is just such a ticket as was voted at that time.

QI now hand you a ticket headed "Republican ticket," purporting to have been voted for Governor Porter and others at the State election in 1880, and marked Exhibit C to the deposition of William Wallace, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket that was voted at that election, if you remember.

(Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. Yes, sir; I think it is the same ticket.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Democratic ticket," purporting to be the national ticket voted for Winfield Scott Hancock in 1880, and marked Exhibit E to the deposition of William Wallace, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket used by the Democrats at that election, if you remember.

Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. I think it is.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Republican ticket," and purporting to be the national ticket voted for the Garfield electors in this State in 1880, and marked as Exhibit F to the deposition of William Wallace, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket voted at that election.

(Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. Yes, sir.

Q. You are a Republican, I believe?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. I will ask you to state if that Republican ticket that I hand you, voted at the election in this city in 1882, for Congressmen, when folded in the hands of the voter, as tickets are ordinarily folded, and taken by the voters to the ballot-box and deposited, could be told or distinguished from the Democratic ticket voted at the same election-A. If I am to understand that the way they are ordinarily folded is to fold them up carefully and

Q. As tickets are ordinarily folded by voters.-A. When folded up carefully, by sight they cannot be recognized; at least I could not recognize them by sight.

Q. Did you make any effort that day to recognize tickets by sight as they were being voted?-A. Yes, sir; we did in commenting in sitting there and receiving tickets. Q. You say you were not able to distinguish the tickets?-A. I was not able to by sight.

Q. I will ask you if any complaint was made to the board that day at all in reference to the Republican ticket, and if so, what?-A. I have no recollection of any complaint.

Q. Were the tickets counted without objection ?-A. Yes, sir; they were.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON :

Q. What precinct were you at?-A. The 2nd precinct of the 2nd ward.

Q. Who was the inspector at that precinct ?-A. My recollection at this election is that it was Mr. Thomas Endly.

Q. You were the Republican judge?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Where were yon during the voting-A. Usually I was standing near the window with my face outside, or looking outside. We were not always in the same position during the day.

Q. Could you tell these tickets by handling them when folded?-A. My recollection is that I could by giving them attention when I had them in my hands; I understand that you refer to the tickets voted for Congressmen.

Q. Yes, sir: the Republican ticket voted in 1832, I had reference to.-A. Yes, sir. Q. How were those tickets counted; were they taken out one at a time and counted or were they taken out and piled up and counted?-A. I do not recollect in regard to that. I know they were carefully and accurately counted.

Q. Is it not true, as a matter of fact, that these tickets were taken out and the Republican tickets were laid aside in a pile in given numbers-58 or 10s, or more-without even opening them in many instances to see what was written on the face of them! (Objected to as not proper cross-examination.)

A. No, sir; that was not done.

Q. You say they did not lay the tickets aside at that precinct in the approach to the count; not in the count, but in the approach to the count, were not they laid aside in piles and separated in that way to a certain extent before counting them one by one?A. Nothing, unless the man that was taking them out of the box should have shoved them aside in the box, aiming to use certain of the tickets.

Q. Then you counted them one by one ?-A. Yes, sir; I think that is the way. I know we were very careful to count the tickets. Mr. Harper was one of the judges, and I know that everybody was satisfied with the count that was there.

Q. You heard of no objection that day to this Republican ticket?-A. There was none made to the board.

Q. Did you hear any objection?—A. You mean any remark

Q. Yes, sir; criticism or objection-either remark, criticism, or objection?-A. Nothing made to the board. I do not know that I heard anything outside. There was no objection made about the ticket, unless it was joking remarks by persons about the intention of the party in having such a ticket.

Q. What were those remarks-made by who?-A. I do not recollect.

Q. What was the objection?-A. I do not recollect; there was no objection made to the board.

Q. What were the remarks?-A. My recollection is that if there was anything said at all it was remarks by men as to whether these tickets could be folded double or not, so as to open; whether they would open themselves.

Q. Whether they would spring open -A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were they objecting to them on that ground?-A. No, sir; they were not. Q. Not to the board?-A. No, sir.

Q. Any outside objection-A. Nothing at all but light remarks that we might have made at the time, and I do not recollect of any remark. If there was any objection made it was made about them; it was that way.

Q. That was all?-A. That was all. I am confident that was all.

Q. Could you look down in the ballot-box without taking the tickets out, and tell from the appearance of that Republican ticket that it was the Republican ticket. and discriminate from the Democratic ticket, if yon could get a good look at the tickets that were voted?-A. I do not know; it would depend on the condition of the ticket; if it was unfolded I could, and if it was concealed, I could not.

Q. You could do it without seeing the names on the ticket?-A. I think I could if it was loose.

Re-examination by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. I ask you to take these tickets, one being the Republican and the other the Democratic ticket voted at the national election in this city, in 1880, and I will ask you to state the probable difference in the width of those two tickets.

(Objected to as not proper re-examination, and incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. There is probably an eighth of an inch difference in the width of the tickets. Q. State if there is not a difference in the weight of the paper upon which those two tickets are printed, or the feeling of them.-A. There is quite a difference in the feel of the paper.

Q. Which is the better paper?-A. The Republican ticket is the stronger paper. Q. I will ask you if that Democratic ticket, voted for Hancock in 1880, could not more readily be told and distinguished from the Republican ticket, voted in 1880 for

Garfield, than the Republican ticket could be told from the Democratic ticket voted in 1882?

(Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. Yes; much more readily.

Q. Why?-A. One principal reason is on account of the width.

Q. Is there any difference in the color?-A. There is a difference in the appearance of the paper. A greater difference than there is in the other.

Q. Could you tell the difference in those tickets by feeling, the same as you could the tickets voted in 1882 ?-A. Yes, sir; I could.

Q. State if in the elections in this city prior to 1882 there has or has not been a difference between the tickets voted by the different parties in this city, so that you could tell one from the other by feeling the thickness.-A. My recollection is that the tickets have always varied in one respect or the other, so that a man could detect them by examination and without seeing the face of the ticket.

Recross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. Your recollection is that, by an examination of them, without seeing the face of them, heretofore you could tell and distinguish the tickets?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. I will ask you if that Republican ticket to which Mr. Peelle has called your attention, voted for Garfield, is not on a material very similar or similar somewhat to the Republican ticket voted at the November election for Congressman ?—A. In the body of the paper and in the appearance of it it is very similar.

Q. Did you ever know a Democratic ticket voted at any election similar to anything like the thickness of either one of those two tickets?-A. I do not recollect in regard to that. I believe that the Democratic tickets have usually been on lighter paper.

Q. Then you have never known the Democrats to use a ticket as thick as this Republican ticket that I have just named ?—A. I do not recollect now.

GRANVILLE WRIGHT, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE:

H. C. ALLEN.

Q. State your name, age, and residence.-A. Granville Wright; 35 years old; residence, 375 North Delaware street, Indianapolis, Indiana.

Q. What is your business?-A. Attorney at law.

Q. You are a Republican, I believe?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you attend the election in 1882 in this city?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What precinct and ward?-A. 2nd precinct of the 10th ward.

Q. What portion of the day was you there ?-A. I was there the principal portion of the day-most of the day.

Q. Did you act in any official capacity there as challenger?—A. No, sir.

Q. Did you look on at the polls?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you observe men as they voted?-A. Yes, sir; to some extent.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Republican ticket," and marked Exhibit A to the deposition of Mr. Holliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket voted by the Republicans at that election.-A. The same kind of a ticket.

Q. I how hand you a ticket headed "Democratic ticket," and marked as Exhibit B to the deposition of Mr. Holliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket voted by the Democrats at that election.-A. Yes, sir.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed " Republican Ticket," purporting to be the ticket voted for Governor Porter, and marked as Exhibit C, to the deposition of William Wallace, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket used by the Republicans at the election in 1880.

(Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.)

A. Yes, sir; it was.

Q. I hand you a ticket headed Democratic ticket, with the words "Democratic ticket" printed across a flag, purporting to be the State ticket voted for Landers for Governor, and others, in 1880, in this city, and marked as Exhibit D to the deposi tion of William Wallace, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket used on that occasion.

(Objected to as incompetent, irrelevant, immaterial.)

A. Yes, sir; I remember that very distinctly.

Q. Why do you remember it distinctly?-A. On account of the flag and these hieroglyphics about Landers's name, and also Lemon's, and I remember the vote principally on those two, and against them, and I called the attention of some of them at the time I first saw them that I supposed on Lemon's name one of Harry Adams's pasters could not be placed over it without it being observed.

Q. Harry Adams was the Republican candidate for sheriff?-A. Yes, sir; and then on account of the width of it. I thought it was wider.