upon which that ticket is printed, if you know?-A. That is plain white "news" paper.

Q. Tell what distinguishing mark, if any, there is on the face of that ticket, on the head of it, or any other place?-A. Any one could distinguish that to see the face of it, or the head of it, on account of the flag and flourishes.

Q. What kind of a heading is that?-A. It is a cut of a flag, with the words "Democratic Ticket" engraved with it. It is plain type worked in flourishes. The flourishes are put in there. The flourishes are type, and the other is a cut.

Q. Is that a wood-cut or an engraving, if you know?-A. It is a wood-cut. It is engraved I judge that is a metal cut.

Q. State if there are any distinguishing marks around the name of Franklin Landers, such as are used in ordinary printing?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What are those marks?-A. Flourishes in type.

Q. Is that a necessary part of the printing of the ticket?-A. No, sir; it is not necessary at all.

Q. State if there are any distinguishing marks around the name of Mr. Lemon in there?-A. There are.

Q. What is that?-A. A flourish. They are put in there for some purpose. I do not know what. They are not necessary to the printing of that ticket.

Q. State if a "paster" could be placed over the name of Mr. Landers or Mr. Lemon's name on that ticket?

(Objected to as immaterial and incompetent.)

A. No.

Q. Why?-A. Because it occupies too much room. It is too wide for the ordinary paster. I should judge it was made for that purpose-to prevent a paster from covering the name up.

Q. How is the name printed on there; is it in a straight line or on a circle or curve?-A. It is curved.

Q. Is the name of Mr. Lemon curved or straight?-A. It is curved also; a half circle.

Q. I will ask you to state what kind of paper those several tickets that you have had in your hands are known to be in the trade?-A. Well, I should pronounce them all to be plain, white "news" paper, but of different weight.

Q. Would you call them all "news" paper?-A. Yes, sir; I would. The fact of the matter is the difference between "news" and "book" paper is there are some newspapers that use heavier paper than that. The Evening News will use about a 25 or 30, and the Journal uses about a 40, and the Sentinel uses about a 36, I think.

Q. That Republican ticket voted in 1882; I will ask you to state about what the weight of that paper would be per ream of 500 sheets, 25 by 38 in size?-A. This is about what we call 80 pound paper. I judge it is that. This paper runs up as high as 120. I judge this is about an 80-pound paper. Of course I can not tell unless I would weigh it; but that runs up as high as 120.

Q. I will ask you to state what is known as plain white paper.-A. I do not understand the question?

Q. What is plain white paper?-A. I do not know that I understand what you are driving at.

Q. You know what white paper is, I believe you said. What is known and understood among paper and book men as plain white paper?-A. Well, any paper that is ancalendered, or anything that there is a single ply, but when you come to two ply, you would call it card-board, and three ply and four ply. After you pass from plain white paper it runs i to card-board.

Q. Is that Republican ticket which you have in your hand, that was voted in 1882, calendered paper?-A. It is uncalendered paper. It is plain white paper.

Q. What is the weight of a ream of that paper upon which the Democratic ticket is printed, voted in 1882, per ream, being 480 sheets per ream, size 25 by 38?—A. I judge that is about 36. It may run to 40. I used to handle this paper in large sheets, and with this small piece I do not know that I could guess at it on the pound. I think it is probably 40 pounds to the ream.

Q. You were at the election that day, you said, I believe, in 1882?-A. Yes, sir. Q. I will ask you to state if a Republican ticket was folded as ordinarily folded by voters when voting, if you could tell or distinguish the Republican ticket from the Democratic ticket, thus folded, in the hands of the voters?-A. I think not.

Q. State if you made any effort that day to distinguish or tell the difference by the appearance of the tickets?-A. I did not. I do not remember anything of the kind.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON:

Q. Then in answering this question last put to you by Mr. Peelle, that is simply an opinion as to whether you could or not distinguish them. You did not make any experiment with them, and did not try?-A. I did not. I know I cannot tell now which is the Democratic ticket and which is the Republican ticket, looking there.

Q. One of them is partially concealed behind the other and you see only one side and part of the end.-A. I can pretty well see them both.

Q. What is your business?—Â. I am a printer; I am superintendent of the Daily Journal.

Q. You are foreman?-A. I am the superintendent of the concern-press room, stereotype room and mail room.

Q. Does the journal do any job printing?-A. No, not at present.

Q. How long have you been connected with the Journal in the capacity in which yan are acting now?-A. About ten years.

Q. Were you ever in the business of buying and selling paper?-A. I have bought a great deal of paper.

Q. Were you ever in that business?-A. I have been in the job printing department in the business; I have worked 35 years in the business.

Q. Were you ever engaged in the buying and selling of paper as a business !—A. No.

Q. Were you ever engaged in the mai ufacture of paper?—A. No, sir.

Q. Did I understand you to say that this Republican ticket and this Democratic ticket were both printed on ** news" paper ?—A. "News" paper? Yes; I would call them both "news" paper.

Q. What is the difference between "news" paper and "book" paper?-A. Simply the weight and finish. Book paper is a better finished paper and heavier weight. Q. How is that difference produced in the weight and finish ?-A. I do not know; I never manufactured any paper. The only difference I know between them is that one is a heavier, finer paper than the other.

Q. You do not know how it is produced?-A. It is all the same paper, I believe, except on one the rolls are opened up and allowed to run a thicker paper.

Q. What is the stock that is used in manufacturing and making "news" paper!A. I do not know that I could tell you the ingredients. Some of it is made of rags and some of it is made of straw. Good book paper is made of rags, I suppose, from what little knowledge I have of it. I never manufactured any paper. I do not know anything about manufacturing paper.

Q. How do you prepare the stock?-A. I do not know. You mean the straw that has been through the mill and sent out in pulp, and how it was reduced from rags to pulp. That is about all I know about it. I never was engaged in the business. Q. I understood you to say that this Republican ticket was uncalendered. Now, as a matter of fact, is not that paper calendered?—A. No, sir.

Q. Neither side?-A. No, sir.

Q. What is calendering on paper?-A. Calendered paper is the hard finish that is placed on-the ordinary finish.

Q. How is it done?-A. I do not know.

Q. And you say there is no hard finish on either side of that paper?-A. I think

not.

Q. Look at it carefully.-A. I have looked at it carefully, when I made my answer. I say that it is simply a heavier paper than the other.

Q. Uncalendered ?---A. Yes, sir. I would pronounce it uncalendered. When I was buying that paper if a man would give me that for calendered paper I would not buy it.

Q. At what stage is book paper calendered?-A. I do not know.

Q. Do you know how it is calendered?--A. No, sir.

Q. What is calendered paper?-A. A hard finished paper; that is all I know. It has a glazed finish.

Q. All paper that is hard finished is calendered?-A. All that is glazed finished. If they are glazed they are calendered.

Q. Could not it be glazed with varnish ?-A. I never heard of it.

Q. You say that all that is glazed is calendered.-A. I say that all hard finished paper is calendered-what they call calendered.

Q. Did not you say that all calendered paper was glazed paper?-A. All calendered paper is hard finished. I think I used the word glazed" wrong.

That is all.

Q. All that you know about calendered paper is that it is hard finished?--A. Yes, sir.

Q. That is all that you know about it?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. And you do not know how that finish is secured or produced?—A. I do not.

Q. You do not know how it is acquired?-A. No, sir.

Q. Is "news" paper ever calendered?-A. I think not. I never saw any that was calendered.

Q. Is that Republican ticket "sized"?—A. No.

Q. No sizing in it?-A. No, sir; I think not.

Q. Has that Democratic ticket any sizing in it?-A. I do not think there is. I would say "no."

Q. Is it not true that this Republican ticket is sized ?—A. I think not.

Q. Not at all?-A. I think not.

Q. Do you know how paper is sized ?-A. I do not.

Q. Do you know what sizing is ?-A. I do not know that I do understand the question at all.

Q. You do not know what sizing is ?—A. I do not know what you mean by it. I suppose you mean glaze.

Q. No, sir; I do not mean glaze. I mean sizing. I asked the question, and you say you do not understand the question.-A. Yes, sir.

Q. I understand you to say that neither the Republican ticket nor the Democratic ticket is sized -A. Not as I understand sizing.

Q. What is your understanding of sizing?-A. Calendering.

Q. Sizing and calendering are the same thing.-A. Something that is placed over the top of it-hardness.

Q. What did you say was the color of this Republican ticket?-A. White.

Q. Is there any bluing in that?-A. As I said before, I do not know. If I saw a ream of that paper-there might be a change, which is produced, as we understand it, by water; a different kind of water. Some paper we get will run white-a pure white-and there may be two kinds of color in that same ream. That paper is what is considered white paper.

Q. Is it not true that that paper is what is called "toned" paper?-A. No, sir. It Was never toned intentionally. It has not been toned what we call intentionally; if it was, it was very poorly done.

Q. Then it is not toned ?-A. I think not.

Q. Do you know how paper is toned ?-A. I suppose they mix color in the water to tone it. As we call it, to tint it.

Q. To produce what is termed in the trade white paper, do you know what coloring matter is used?-A. I do not.

Q. As a matter of fact, is it-- A. (Interrupting) Made in the water. Perfectly clear water, with good material, makes white paper if they do not tint it. They will color the water if they want to tint it.

Q. Is it not true, on the contrary, that what you call white paper is secured by the use of bluing ?-A. I do not know that. I never manufactured any paper. I do not know that I could answer that question at all, for I do not know how it is made. I could only give you my ideas of the way it is made. I know that we buy of that paper, and we have the excuse that the water was bad, or something that gave a different color.

Q. I call your attention to this material that I hand you here, and I ask you to inspect that, and I will ask you what that is; what do you call it ?-A. I think that is about a two-ply cardboard; it feels altogether different from this other paper (Exhibit A). I think that is the very lowest quality of cardboard.

Q. You say this material is the lowest quality of cardboard?-A. Yes, sir. (The paper shown to the witness was identified as shown witness, C. L. Divine, on cross-examination, and at the same time marked by me as follows: Indianapolis, P. C. Hendricks, stenographer. Nov. 7, 1883.")

Q. You have spoken of the weight of paper. What would be the weight of that material that I have shown you, per ream, size 22 by 23, in your estimation ?-A. I should think that was about 100 pounds.

Q. I will ask you what is the color of that?-A. It is white.

Q. Plaia?-A. Plain white.

Q. It is paper, is it not?--A. No; it is cardboard, I think. I would call it cardboard.

Q. Is not cardboard paper?-A. Yes, sir; of course it is paper.

Q. Cardboard is paper; it is a kind of paper. Is that paper calendered or not ?—A. I should judge it was calendered.

Q. You say it is calendered?--A. No; I would not call that calendered.

Q. Is it sized?-A. I think not.

Q. Neither sized nor calendered?-A. Not what I understand the sizing to be.

Q. I now show you a specimen of paper, and I will ask you what is that material?-A. It is called b otting paper.

Q. Is it white?-A. Yes, sir; I should call it white.

Q. Is it plain?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. You said it was blotting paper. Is that paper?-A. I suppose that comes under

the head of cardboard-soft card.

Q. You say blotting paper is soft card?-A. Its common name for it is blotting paper.

Q. Cardboard is paper?-A. Yes, sir.

Mr. WILSON: I hand this to the stenographer and ask him to mark it for identification without now filing it as an exhibit, and to mark it as follows: Shown to C. L. Divine on cross-examination, Nov. 7, 1883. and at the same time marked by me, the stenographer, as follows: Philadelphia.' Paul C. Hendricks, stenographer."

Q. What do you say is the weight of this material last shown to you?-A. I don't know that I could tell you. I do not know anything about the weight of that. Q. You do not think you can tell anything about the weight of that?—A. We do not use it in our business; I do not know anything about it.

Q. Did you ever print a newspaper on material like that Republican ticket?--A. I do not know that I have; I cannot remember whether I have or not; we get hold of all kinds of paper; it is possible I have.

Q. Did you ever print a newspaper on material like that Republican ticket?-A. Regularly?

Q. Yes, sir.-A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever see a newspaper that was published that used that material-that stock?-A. Well, I do not know. I remember of Bill Nye's Laramie Boomerang "being published on paper similar to that; something very nearly as heavy. I do not know how often it was publis .ed. I remember of picking it up in the office once or twice, and our attention was called to that heavy paper on which it was printed. I do not know whether it was his regular edition that is printed that way every week

or not.

Q. How many papers do you think you ever saw printed on that heavy paper?-A. I cannot tell. I have been in the newspaper business 35 years and I have seen some very heavy paper, and some very fancy paper.

Q. Did you ever print paper on such material as that?-A. I think not.

Q. Is there any paper in this city printed on as heavy paper as that-any newspaper?-A. No, sir; I think not.

Q. How many papers, weeklies and dailys, are published here-do you know?-A. I do not know.

Q. Are there not about 25 and 30?-A. I suppose there are.

Q. Did you ever know it in the history of any of these papers?-A. No, sir; it would cost them too much money.

Q. Is that an expensive paper?-A. I do not know whether it is so expensive. Newspapers, as a rule, get about as cheap as they can.

Q. What did that cost per ream-25 by 38?-A. I do not know what that would be worth. I suppose paper like that would cost-they could get a contract on that I should think for about 64, if it run regularly and the office would take that paper and run it regularly. I suppose it would cost them 64 cents a pound.

Q. What do you say is the cost of the material upon which the Democratic ticket is printed, 25 by 38?

(Objected to as not cross-examination.)

A. What they pay for it?

Q. Yes, sir; what is that worth, 25 by 38, the Democratic ticket that Mr. Peelle showed you?-A. Well, now, at this time I suppose that paper could be bought for 6

cents.

Q. And you say, in other words, that the cost of the material upon which the Republican ticket is printed is just about the same as that upon which the Democratic ticket is printed?-A. No sir; I said that was about 6. I judge that would be about the price of it, and the price of the Democratic ticket 6 cents.

Q. They both sell for the same by the pound, or with the fraction of a cent difference?-A. I think there is one-half cent difference-maybe, in the two papers. Q. What would be the weight of a ream of the material upon which the Republican ticket is printed?-A. I said I thought about 20 pounds.

Q. And of this Democratic ticket, 25 by 3-each one the same size?-A. I do not know.

Q. Is it not true that one of those papers, is about three times as heavy as the other?-A. No, sir; it is not three times as heavy as the other. It is not quite twice as heavy again. It is not more than about once more.

Q. I will ask you, is not this Republican ticket printed on "plate"?-A. No, sir; I think that is not, to understand the question. That has been set up in type, and it may have been stereotyped afterwards, but no live man can tell that. They may have had so many of them to print that they had to stereotype a dozen to work from. Q. You don't seem to understand what " plate" is. Do you know the meaning of the term in the sense of "plate" as plate paper. Sometimes billed as "plate" and sometimes billed as "plate paper," and catalogued as "plate paper." I will ask you what is plate paper?-A. I do not know what it is.

Q. What are your politics?-A. I do not know. I have been a Republican for a long time. I do not know whether I am now or not.

Q. Do you mean it in earnest when you say you do not know whether you are a Republican now or not?-A. I will tell you what I am. I am an out and out temperance mair. That is my idea of politics. It is a dead sure thing that I am not a DemoI wish to be understood as saying that the Republican ticket voted in 1882 is "book" paper. I was in error in saying that it was "news.

crat.

C. L. DIVINE.

Specimen shown to C. L. Divine.-Paul C. Hendricks, Notary Public.

(Omitted. See original, page 3.)

(In pencil:) Shown to the witness, C. L. Divine, on cross-examination, Nov. 7, 1883, and at the same time marked by me, the stenographer, as follows: Philadelphia, Paul C. Hendricks, stenographer.

A. W. WISHARD, being first duly sworn, testifies as follows:

Direct examination by Mr. PEELLE:

Q. Your name, age, and residence?-A. Albert W. Wishard; 29 years old; residence, Indianapolis.

Q. What is your occupation ?—A. Lawyer.

Q. Were you in this city at the time of the November election, 1882 ?—A. I was. Q. Did you attend that election ?—A. I did.

Q. What precinct and ward ?-A. First precinct, 20th ward.

Q. What portion of the day were you there?-A. All day.

Q. I will ask you to state if you noticed the voters as they ha l their tickets folded and would go the polls and deposit their ballots?-A. I did.

Q. Take this ticket headed "Republican ticket," and marked Exhibit A to the deposition of C. F. Holliday, and state if that is the ticket that the Republicans used on that day, or one similar to it.-A. That is the kind of a ticket that was voted by the Republicans.

Q. I now hand you a ticket headed "Democratie ticket," and marked as Exhibit B to the deposition of Mr. C. F. Holliday, and I will ask you to state if that is the ticket that was used and voted by the Democrats on that day, or one similar to it?— A. That is my recollection; that it was a similar ticket to that voted by the Demo

crats.

Q. What position were you in that day at the polls?-A. The earlier and better part of the day I was around the polls peddling tickets; from 10 o'clock to 4 I was Republican challenger.

Q. You are a Republican in politics?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. State if that Republican ticket is folded as tickets are ordinarily folded when voted, it could be told by you or distinguished from the Democratic ticket when similarly folded, as men were going to the polls to deposit their tickets?-A. The question is, as they were going to deposit their ballots?

Q. Yes, sir; as the tickets were ordinarily folded and voted when the voters go to the polls to deposit their ballots; could you tell that Republican from the Democratic ticket?-A. I could not.

Q. State if you made any effort that day to distinguish or tell one ticket from the other, by observation ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were you, or not, able to tell one from the other; as they were thus folded, I mean?-A. No; not as they were cast.

Q. Do you know the material upon which that Republican ticket is printed ?—A. I do not know anything about the qualities of paper only as I see it.

Cross-examination by Mr. WILSON :

Q. Can you tell the Republican ticket from the Democratic ticket when they are folded, holding them in your hands, with your knowledge-having compared them beforehand having found out that one was on a different paper from the other?-A. I can if I have both tickets in my hands.

Q. If you have carefully considered the matter and studied those tickets and felt of them, do you think, at the polls, thus folded, the tickets should be held in the hands, you could tell whether it was a Republican or Democratic ticket from its weight and its stiffness and its indisposition to bend ?-A. I might, from a careful examination and study of the difference between the tickets that day of the election, for the reason that I was challenger. and the practice and custom is that the challenger stands right at the end of the chute next to the ballot-box, and that the person that votes stands between the Republican and Democratic challenger when they cast their vote, and for that reason I made a careful examination of the two tickets, and I can take the two tickets in my hands and feel of them and test the paper, and tell the difference; but when the voter comes up and holds out his ballot and hands it to the judge, if I were two feet from him, or, in fact, if I were as close to him as I could well get in the distance that was allowed between the challengers and the inspector that received the ballot, I could not then distinguish between the tickets.

Q. You could not distinguish between them if you got a fair chance to see it if it was held up within two feet of you; held by the ends of the fingers and then passed to the inspector and held by him for a moment in his fingers; you could not tell