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cused of too great a love of place, of labour, he would not leave that he (Mr. Duncombe) was inclined to subject in the hands of private ask, with the Weekly Chronicle, individuals, but would introduce why did not the noble lord take a Bill on it himself, and carry the whole of the late Cabinet ? it through Parliament by the inHe would have had an able Se fluence of Government. For the cretary of State for the Home sake of all parties, the intentions Department, and old and of the Administration ought to be experienced Chancellor of the

of the known. Exchequer, whose budgets had Lord John Russell explained braved the battle and the brecze. the reasons which had induced When such things were stated him to abstain from answering to have occurred, and were cer Mr. Thomas Duncombe's question tified by the Government organ, on a previous evening. He had would any one venture to say thought it unnecessary that he, who that no explanation was required? had for so many years constantly Mr. T. Duncombe also called on taken an active part in that House Lord John Russell to explain his in the discussion of public quesopinions upon the Irish Church. tions, should now make an Was he prepared to act on the plicit declaration of his opinions. principles which he had declared Mr. Denison and Mr. Duncombe in March 1845, when he said that had both made several comments he supported the increased grant on the constitution of his Governto Maynooth merely as a prelude ment. Considering the vast extent to the payment of the Roman of the commerce and manufactures Catholic Clergy by the State of this country, he thought that Earl Grey went even still further it would be a juster criticism than at that time, and stated that he that which Mr. Denison had made would take the revenues of the on the composition of the Ministry, Irish Church for educational pur to say that there were too many poses, and would apply them first Members of it connected, by their to the education of the Roman Ca- families, with land, and too few tholics, as it was from the Roman connected with commerce. He Catholics that they were taken. would not, however, enter into He hoped that Lord John Russell that question. A Government was was actuated by the same princi- not to be formed for the exclusive ples, and if so, he should be most benefit of either land or commerce, happy to support him. He then but for the general benefit of all asked the noble lord whether he the interests of the country; and would support any extension of the it was by the degree in which it franchise, or whether he intended accomplished that end that its conto adhere to his old opinions on duct was to be estimated, and not the finality of the Reform Bill. by the amount of income which Adverting to the restriction of the its Members derived from land hours of labour in factories, he or from commerce. He admitted told the noble lord that he now that he had asked Lord Dalhousie, had it in his power to carry out Lord Lincoln, and Mr. S. Herbert, a ten hours' Bill ; and he hoped to do him the honour of becoming that, as the noble lord had voted his colleagues in the Government. in favour of shortening the hours It was his opinion that he should

not ask aid of those from whom he again. He said this, because differed widely in political opinion; there were several points upon but, at the same time, he thought which the Members of his Adit of consequence to the honour of ministration were not agreed in the Sovereign and to the welfare opinion. For instance, with reof the country, that a ministry spect to the Irish Church, he did should be formed combining in not concur himself in the opinions its different members the greatest of Earl Grey. He then stated the possible amount of public con intentions of himself and his colfidence. Now, with regard to all leagues with respect to Ireland. the great questions which had Mr. Osborne could not tell what been agitated within the last two the effect of the declarations which years, he found himself agreeing had just been made by Lord J. in opinion with those distinguished Russell might be out of doors ; but colleagues of Sir Robert Peel. he was quite certain that, if they He had agreed with them in the had been made when the Liberal measures abolishing monopoly, and members were sitting on the opestablishing free trade, and also in position benches, a great number the measures necessary to conciliate of them would have followed Sir Ireland; and, therefore, he saw no R. Peel, rather than the noble loss of honour on their part or his lord. For his own part, after the own in seeking a junction between speech which had just been dethem. They had declined his offer livered, he could see no differin terms very courteous to himself ence between “ Tweedledum and personally ; but he could not re Tweedledee.' He had fancied proach himself with any dereliction that the great difference between of duty to his Sovereign in having Lord John Russell and Sir R. made them that offer. He then Peel was occasioned by the Approceeded to state that he con propriation Clause ; but the noble sidered it necessary to combine in lord had just informed the House office those who agreed on the that he would not touch the great principles on which the Adminis- question of the Irish Church. Now, tration was to be conducted, but that Church in its present position that he did not consider it neces was a disgrace to the country. If sary that they should agree on every there were at present no difference question which might come before between Lord J. Russell and Sir Parliament. Such was the mode R. Peel as to the measures to be in which statesmen of great names applied towards that Church, what had formed their Administrations was it that prevented the noble as for instance, Mr. Pitt, in 1784, lord, who set so high a value on Mr. Fox, in 1806, and Lord Liver the benefit to be rendered to the pool subsequently Sir R. Peel country, from himself serving under had aimed at a greater union of Sir R. Peel? He would not say opinion and identity of conduct that he intended to withhold his than either Mr. Pitt, or Mr. Fox, confidence from Her Majesty's or Lord Liverpool. But though present Government; but, in order Sir Robert Peel, from his great to test whether that Government talents, had succeeded in that at deserved confidence, he would tempt, lie did not think it likely bring forward, upon an early day, that any person would succeed the motion on the Irish Church

which had been so frequently made Lord John Russell. Was it to be by Mr. Ward. In conclusion, he understood that the noble lord praised in very high terms the was going to act on his old Whig parting speech of Sir R. Peel, and principles ? If so, he had some expredicted that, if he acted upon the perience of them, and wanted no principles of that speech, he would more. He reminded the last very shortly be returned to power speaker, that during the whole as the minister of the middle period when Lord J. Russell was classes.

last in office he had been one of Mr. Hume asked Lord J. Rus- the most effective opponents of sell whether he was prepared to those principles for which he was take into consideration the pro now asking a fair trial and imparpriety of abolishing the office of tial consideration. Who was it Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. that had changed ? the noble lord,

Lord J. Russell was of opinion or Mr. B. Escott ? He would not that the office to which Mr. Hume decide ; but would merely remark, referred could not be abolished that there was a curious change at present with advantage to the somewhere. lle was one of those country.

who wondered why Sir R. Peel Mr. B. Escott reminded Mr. T.

was out of place. It was said to Duncombe, that Lord J. Russell be, because he had brought in the was not a new man, and that there- Coercion Bill ; but if that were the fore there was no occasion for him cause of his removal from place, to make any declaration of his why was Lord J. Russell in power, opinions. Ile had watched the con who had tried to include in his duct of Lord J. Russell very closely, ministry the Earl of Lincoln, who and had observed that he had was the identical man who had inalways given a distinct enunciation troduced that Coercion Bill into to his principles. His conduct the House of Commons ? He then during the present Session en- passed a glowing eulogy on Sir titled his Government to a fair R. Peel, whose conduct, in carrytrial, and to the candid considera- ing the Corn Bill, had rendered tion of the House. Having stated him not only beloved, but adored that he could not acquiesce in the by the people of England, and propriety of all the declarations lamented the apathetic course, the which had that evening been made, do-little policy, which the present he expressed a hope that Lord J. Government seemed inclined to Russell would avoid that which had

pursue. hitherto been the stumbling-block Mr. Newdegate had not heard of all former Whig Governments. any county member complain of They had startled the people of the constitution of the present England by announcing principles Government on the grounds brought which were new to them, and had forward by Mr. E. Denison. The disgusted their Conservative feel- landed interest had received too ings by attempting to carry those bitter a lesson recently to place its principles into execution before the confidence rashly in any Govern. people were prepared for them. ment whatsoever. He denied that

Mr. Wakley entered into a de- Sir Peel had acted up to his prinfence of Mr. Duncombe's conduct ciples and professions ; if he had in putting his various questions to so acted, he would not have lost


office. The praise which had been The question of the Sugar bestowed on Sir R. Peel for his Duties was one which possessed parting speech was, in point of the most urgent claims on the atfact, the bitterest satire which tention of the new Ministry, as a could be pronounced upon his necessary sequel to the settlement former policy.

of the Corn Laws. Sir Robert Mr. Ward, in consequence of the Peel's Government, if it had reappeals which had been addressed mained in office, must at once have personally to himself, felt it neces- grappled with this difficulty, which sary to state that he had never was now left a legacy to its succoncealed his opinions on the sub

On the 18th of June, ject of the Irish Church when out Mr. Goulburn, as Chancellor of the of office, and that he would not Exchequer, had given notice of his sacrifice those opinions in order to intention to bring in a provisional retain himself in office. If the bill to continue the existing Sugar speech which he had made on the Duties, from the 5th of July, when first reading of the Coercion Bill they would have expired, to the 5th were referred to, it would be found of August. He stated, as his reathat he had then stated his con son for making this proposition, viction, that the social grievances that owing to the length of the deof Ireland formed the first practical bates on the Irish Coercion Bill, question with which the House the time could not be given to the ought to deal, and that they must consideration of these duties, which be cured before any Government their importance required. A Bill conld successfully deal with the was accordingly introduced, and Irish Church. Having been al. carried for this purpose. ready twice defeated on the sub On Lord John Russell's accesject of the Irish Church, he had sion to office, one of the first steps not intended to bring the subject taken by him was to announce a forward again in the present ses measure for the settlement of the sion, and he had told his Irish question ; but, owing to the time friends so, who were satisfied with which had been lost in consehis reasons. He thought, how- quence of the change of Governever, that when it was brought for- ment and the ensuing elections, ward, not even Mr. Wakley would it became necessary again to conbe inclined to quarrel with his vote. tinue by Bill the existing duties

Mr. Horsman considered the ex- till the 5th of September. At planation of Lord J. Russell to be length, on the 20th of July, the most satisfactory: When the Ministerial measure for the pernoble lord referred to the conduct manent adjustment of the question which he had pursued during a was brought out by Lord John long political life, he gave the best Russell, in a full and comprehenpledge which a Minister could give sive speech. The noble lord began for the conduct which he would by setting forth the necessity that pursue in future.

He replied at existed for a permanent settlesome length to the criticisms which ment for all interests—the conMr. E. Denison had pronounced on sumer, the producer, and the rethe construction of the present venue. Government.

First, with respect to the supply The discussion then terminated. of sugar for the current year, he

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collated various estimates, taking The West Indies : . 110.000 them from the 5th April, 1846, to The Mauritius

45,000 the 5th April, 1847. The first The East Indies

70,000 estimate he submitted he considered to be extreme, and not likely to be

225,000 realized.

Another statement from persons Tons.

engaged in the trade calculates the Colonial and free-labour

whole supply at 230,000 tons. As sugar in warehouse, 5th

to the consumption, he had seen, April, 1846.

40,000 from a statement ending April Estimated import from 5th

1846, that it amounted to 252,000 April to 5th April,

tons; and according to this esti1847 (Customs Letter)

mate there could not be less than West Indies . . 125,000

20,000 tons additional required for Mauritius 50,000

the increased consumption for the East Indies. 80,000

year ending April 1847. Where

255,000 was that additional supply to come Calculated amount of free

from? He should naturally be labour sugar admitted

disposed to propose that it should from foreign countries 20,000 be made good by the admission of

other foreign sugar,

But to this Making in the whole 315,000 he was met by an objection, that Probable stock 5th April,

by so doing, by admitting all 1847, stock being no

foreign sugars, we should entoriously low


courage slavery and give an in

creased stimulus to the slave-trade: Available for consumption 270,000 there are moral considerations

Various other returns appeared which overbear all financial and to him to come nearer the mark commercial views, and all views than that which he had just read. connected with the comfort and Here is a statement put forward welfare of the people of this counby the West India body : they try. Lord John Russell gave a brief estimate the produce for

reply to this argument, showing,

Tons. in the first place, that it failed in The West Indies .125,000 completeness, because, while refusal The Mauritius .

50,000 was given to admit into the home The East Indies

75,000 market the sugars of foreign coun

tries, no such bar was placed on

250,000 the admission of cotton, tobacco, The next statement was by the copper, and other articles procommittee of sugar-refiners, who duced by slave-labour. He illuscalculate the produce from

trated his position by a refer

Tons. ence to the case of cotton. NoThe West Indies . 115,000 body could deny that the vast conThe Mauritius


sumption of that article in this The East Indies


country gave an impulse and en

couragement to slavery in the

225,000 United States ; and yet, if any Another private estimate assigns one were to say that we would not to

allow cotton-wool to come into this



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