Q. Where on the next occasion?
A. Into Kentucky.

Q. What part of Kentucky?

A. Covington was the last place.

Q. Kentucky was not one of the confederate states, was it?

A. No, I believe not.

Q. What were you doing in Kentucky i

A. I was en route to Canada.

Q. You were not en route to Canada as chaplain of your regiment, were you? A. I was en route to Canada to report for service.

Q. To report for service as chaplain?

A. No, sir.

Q. You had not much to do as chaplain in Canada about this time, had you? A. There was room for a good deal of that service.

Q. Did you perform service as chaplain there?

A. I did not perform service as chaplain. I did as minister in churches at

Toronto and Montreal.

Q. You did not as chaplain?

A. Yes, I visited the sick-those who were confederates, especially.

Q. When did you first go to Kentucky;

A. It was about November, 1864, or the latter part of October in that year, that I was directed to report to Canada; and I travelled through Kentucky en route. Q. Who ordered you to report in Canada?

A. Secretary Benjamin.

Q. To report as chaplain?

A. No; my orders were not stated.

Q, Did you think it was to be chaplain ?

Mr. MERRICK. No matter what you thought.

Q. When did you get there?

A. I think I can recollect the date precisely. It was the 15th of November.

Q, Have you the entry of the date you got there in your diary?

A. Yes, sir, I have.

Q. Will you tell us exactly?

Ă. I looked at it the other day. It was Wednesday, November 16. My entry is on the same day of the following year, 1865, and that "this day one year ago, I crossed into Canada by Niagara Falls."

Q. How long afterward?

A. Generally on the same day.

afterward?

Q. Now tell these gentlemen when you got out of Kentucky?

A. I propose to write a book on the Secret Service of the confederacy, and

I will send you a proof copy in advance.

Q. I want you now to tell this jury a little about your secret service.

A. I will answer cheerfully anything connected with the assassination.

Q. When did you go out of Kentucky, and how did you go?

A. I rode through there on horseback with two men as guides?

Q. Were you disguised?

A. No, sir; I rode in my soldier clothes as far as Lexington.

Q. Then what did you do?

A. I took the train for Covington.

Q. Where did you go next?

A. I crossed over to Cincinnati and remained there till evening.
Q. Did you go in disguise?

A. No, sir.

Q Did you wear your soldier's clothes?

A. I told you I left my soldier's clothes just before we got to Lexington. Q. What did you put on?

A. I put on a citizen's dress.

Q. How long did you stay in Cincinnati?

A. I left the same evening.

Q. Where did you go?

A. I crossed by Cleveland to Buffalo. I stayed one night in Buffalo, and left early next morning for Niagara Falls.

Q. At what time did you get to Niagara Falls?

A. I cannot recollect the date.

Q. Can you tell the month or the year?

A. It was in November, 1864.

Q. Then in November, 1864, you went into Canada the way you have mentioned ?

Q. Did you wear them because your eyesight was affected?
A. No, sir; I wore them to affect the eyesight of others.
Q. Who did they affect?

A. I do not know. I should not be here if I had not.

Q. Why do you say you could not be here?

A. I think if I had been passing through Washington not in disguise, it would not have been so safe for me.

Q. When did you pass through Washington on your way to Richmond, in disguise?

A. I started on the 21st of January, 1865.

Q. Did you stop in Baltimore?

A. No, sir; I passed through on the night train.

Q. Did you stop here?

A. I took breakfast here.

Q. Where?

A. I do not think it necessary to state where. I will state, however - I prefer to state; otherwise, you may infer I took it somewhere else. It was at the Kimmel House.

Q. Did you see anybody here?

A. I saw a number of persons.

Q. Did you see Booth here?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever see him?

A. No, sir; not that I know of. I have seen his brother act.

Q. Did you ever see Booth, the assassin ?

A. I did not.

Q. Did you ever see Payne?

A. Never, that I am aware of.

Q. Did you ever see Surratt in Canada?

A. Never in my life, except at Liverpool.

Q. You say you never saw Surratt in Canada?

A. I got a glimpse of him in April, 1865, after the assassination. It was, I think, four or five days after.

Q. You saw him there in Canada?

A. Yes. Father La Pierre told me it was John Surratt, and asked me if I wanted to see him. I said, No.

Q. You left in January for Richmond? Did you succeed in getting to Richmond?

A. I did.

Q. When did you get into Richmond ?

A. February 1, 1865.

Q. Was this in performing your duty as chaplain?

A. It was a work of mercy on that occasion.

Q. Was the busness between Canada and Richmond in discharge of the

office as chaplain of a regiment?

A. That depends on how enterprising he is.

Q. Your enterprise got you into Richmond early in February?

A. Yes, sir; the 1st of February.

Q. And the same description of enterprise kept you there how long?

A. I finished my business in four days.

Q. Whom did you see there?

A. The brother of the prosecuting attorney of this court-Major Carrington, was the first person I met.

The DISTRICT ATTORNEY. He is not my brother.

WITNESS. Well, Major Carrington.

Q. Was he the only one you saw?

A. No, sir; I saw Secretary Benjamin.

Q. When did you leave there? Have you some note of that?

A. Yes, sir; I left there, for the Potomac, on Saturday the 4th of February,

Q. You came here again?

A. Came here again.

Q. How long did you stay here?

A. Two or three hours.

Q. Did you see anybody here?

A. I saw one young man of our army, whose name I do not recollect.

Q. Did you come here on business to Washington?

A. I passed through here as the shortest route to Canada.

Q. You did not come here on your business in Canada?

A. I came here in course of transportation to Canada.

Q. You went from here to what point?

A. Philadelphia.

Q. Did you stop there?

A. I went directly through.

Q. My question is, did you stop in Philadelphia ?

A. I have stated that I went directly through.

Question repeated.

A. I stopped while the cars were taking me through the city

Q. How long.

A. I do not know the time.

Q. Did you see any person there?

A. No person that I knew.

Q. Where did you next go?
A. To New York.

Q. How long did you stay there?

A. For breakfast.

Q. Did you see anybody you knew there?

A. Not a person.

Q. Had you any business as chaplain in New York?

WITNESS, (to the court.) Is that a proper question?

The COURT. You may answer the question.

WITNESS. I have no objection to answering the question, but it seems to me trifling.

Question repeated.

A. My business was to go to Canada, and I went on detached service.
Q. What do you mean by detached service?

A. When a person is taken from the ranks or other position he may occupy in the service, and is absent within the lines of the enemy, a person so acting is generally called on detached service.

Q. When you are within the lines of the enemy on detached service, you are not acting as chaplain?

A. A man may be doing the business of a Christian in any service, and conduct himself as a Christian, even as a prosecuting attorney.

Q. Was a chaplain's service detached service, in your judgment?

may

A. I considered it a service in which any Christian might be engaged. It was to save the lives of human beings.

Q. Did you consider it the service of a chaplain on which you were engaged? A. I considered it a benevolent office.

Q. My question is whether you considered it the service of a chaplain in the army?

A. Do you want my impression?

Mr. PIERREPONT. I want you to tell these jurymen whether you do or not? WITNESS, (turning round towards the jury.) For the benefit of the jury I will state that my object in going to Canada was to save the lives of five men. Mr. PIERREPONT. You may stop right there and answer my question. WITNESS. I thought you wanted me to tell the jury.

Q. My question is whether you considered the detached service on which you were engaged as the service of a chaplain?

A. You are as familiar with the distinctions between the lines of service in the military as I am, and therefore you do not require information. I decline

to answer.

Q. Had you anything to do with the St. Albans raid?

A. I was in Virginia when it occurred.

Question repeated.

A. Nothing in the world as to its inception.

Q. Did you ever talk with this gentleman (Dr. McMillan) about that raid? A. Yes, sir; I did. I told him I did what I could to save the lives of the boys.

Q. Perhaps you told him something else. We will see presently. Did you ever tell him anything about forging any papers in relation to that raid? A. No, sir; I did not. The papers I carried were genuine.

Q. Did you change the dates of any papers?

A. No, sir; I did not; nor did I tell him so.

Q. Did you tell him what you knew about these papers.

A. I may have said something about them.

Q. Will you state exactly what you did tell him about these papers connected with the St. Albans raid?

A. I do not remember having told him about any papers. I know the attorneys stated that they were papers "cooked up." That was not true. The papers I carried were genuine, and were given to me by Mr. Benjamin.

Q. Did you tell this gentleman anything about "cooked up" papers?

A. I dare say I may have spoken on that subject.

Q. Did you tell him anything about the dates of the commissions for that raid? A. I did not. The papers which I carried were all genuine.

Q. I am not asking you whether they were genuine or not, but whether you told him they were dated back?

A. No, sir; I did not.

Q. Did you tell him anything more about the papers connected with the St. Albans raid?

A. I do not recollect.

Q. Did you tell him you had anything to do with the St. Albans raid?

A. I did not, for I was in Virginia when it occurred.

Q. Did you tell him you had anything to do with the raid?

A. I did not. I told him I was a messenger for the raiders.

Q. Where did you go as a messenger for the raiders?

A. I went to Richmond.

Q. Where did you go from?

A. I left Toronto on the 14th of January; I think my voyage commenced

there.

Q. You went for the raiders!

A. I went voluntarily.

Q. You went for the raiders as their messenger!

A. Yes, sir.

Mr. Bradley said that was parting an answer in the witness's mouth; that he had stated he carried the papers voluntarily, and not as their messenger. Q. Did not you say you went as their messenger!

A. I did; I carried papers.

Q. You knew what the character of that raid was?

A. Yes; I knew it was retaliatory.

Was that the christian service" you alluded to just now !

A. All wars are very unholy service.

Q. I want to know if that was the

engaged to which you allaled just now ?

christian service" in which you were

A. Yes sir; I told you I went to save their lives.

Q. You went for these raiders to Richmond to save their res!

A. Yes sir; that is what I went for.

Q. You were going to save their lives in that war?

A. Yes sir; by pradacing teenmay that they were solders, and were doing the same thing in New England thus the federal army were doing in Georgia. Q. This resumey that iney were soldiers required commissions, did it not? A 1 belere sa

Did you get commissions!

A. 1 bi; I received them from the hands of Mr. Benjanla

Wim ya 22 the jury when you received these commissions from the

hands of M. Berjamin!

A. I was the day before I left Richmond

Now and your diary and see if you can vC as the die!

A. Yes se: ny bary says I started Serbe Fieranie in the 4th of FebruThis was the day before. I received them in the 3d of February,