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A. I am a cutter in a clothing establishment.
Q. Were you at that time?
A. I was.
Q. In whose clothing establishment ?
A. Stewart & Ufford's.

Q. Do you recollect any gentleman coming into the store about the time of the assassination of the President dressed in any peculiar manner ?

A. I do. Q. Who attended to the man in the store ? A. I did. Q. Describe his dress. A. He wore a coat with a shoulder-piece on, pleated in front and behind, of mixed goods.

Q. When you say “mixed goods" do you mean gray ?

A. I do not mean gray exactly. I mean a sort of brownish color. There were a variety of colors in it.

Q. Anything else peculiar about the dress, except the pleats, &c.?
A. It was a dress that was not usually worn.
Q. Did you ever see one like it?
A. Not exactly like it.
Q. Did you ever see any of the Canadian costumes, as they are called ?
A. I thought the gentlemen was a Canadian at first.
Q. How was the coat fastened?
A. At the neck, and at the waist with a belt.
Q. State whether you had any conversation with that man.
A. I did.
Q How long did it continue, do you suppose ?
.A. It might have lasted twenty minutes or thereabouts.
Q. State whether or not he came there for the purpose of getting clothes ?
A. He came there for the purpose of getting clothes; at least he spoke so.
Q. Do you remember whether he was measured for any clothes ?
A. No, sir.
Q. Why not?
A. We did not have the goods he inquired for.

Q. Can you state whether you were in expectation of those goods, and said anything on the subject of expecting them?

(Objected to by Mr. PIERREPONT. Objection sustained.)
Q. State if you can find the date with any degree of certainty.
A. The first time was the 13th. He came in on the 14th also.
Q. He came in twice ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How do you fix it was those two days ?
A. By uur petit cash-book.
Q. What fact is there in the cash-book that enables you to fix the date ?
A. Mr. Ufford, the proprietor of the house, went to New York on the night
of the 12th.

Q. When did he get back ?
A. He returned on the morning of the 15th.
Q. Do you fix it by that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Between those two dates ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you ever see that man afterwards ?
A. I did.
Q. State when and where you saw him first.
A. In the jail.

Q. Did you have any conversation with him?
A. Some.
[The prisoner was here requested to stand up.)
Q. Is that the man ? (pointing to the prisoner.
A. Tbat is the man.

Cross-examined by Mr. PIERREPONT :
Q. How long have you lived in this country, or have you always lived here?
Å. I have lived here for some twenty-eight years.
Q. What country did you come from?
A. St. Jobn's, Newfoundland.
Q. To what place did you go when you first came to this country ?
A. Boston, Massachusetts.
Q. How long did you stay there?
A. I staid there up to thirteen years ago.
Q Then wbere did you go?
A. To Elmira, New York.
Q. Have you been there ever since ?
A. I have.
Q. How long have you been cutter in this tailorshop ?
A. Thirteen years the 5th of last March.
Q. Did you sell this man that came that day anything?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you think he was a tailor, or did you tell anybody you thought so?
A. No, sir.

Q. Did you have a conversation with any one in which you told them the man you saw there you thought was a tailor?

A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know an officer in your place named Knapp?
A. I do.

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talk with bim about it? A. He came into the store one day and I think we spoke something on the subject. I know we did.

Q. Do you remember what you told Knapp?

A. He spoke to me something about it, and said that if I was going to Washington he would like to go when I did, and asked me if I knew anything about the matter. I remember speaking something about him. I do not distinctly remember the amount of words we used at that time.

Q. At any time do you remember telling him anything about thinking that he was a tailor?

A. I never did. I never thought he was a tailor.
Q. Did you give any reason why you talked with him ?

A. I spoke to him about his dress. It was a sort of dress that was rather peculiar.

Q. You told Mr. Knapp so?
A. I do not remember whether I did or did not.
Q. Do you know Major Field of your place, who keeps a hotel?
A. I do.
Q. Have you talked with him about it, any y ?
A. I think a very little.
Q. Did you tell him on what day you saw this man there?
A. I fix my dates from the time Mr. Ufford went to New York and returned.
Q. Did you tell Major Field on what day you saw him there?
A. I do not remember. I think I did not.
Q. Did you tell Mr. Knapp on what day you saw him there?
A. I do not distinctly remember.

Q. Did

Q. Did you tell Mr. Kaapp that you knew on what day you saw him, from the fact of knowing from the books at what day one of the partners was in New York? A. It may be that I did not know at that time. Q. Did you tell him that you did know the day, from that fact?

A. I knew the date Mr. Ufford went to New York, and of course I could not state any other date.

Q. Did you tell Mr. Ufford so ?
A. I think not.
Q. Did you tell Mr. Ufford it was on the 12th or 13th ?
A. It may be, but I know very well from our books what the dates were ?

Q. Didn't you tell Mr Ufford that it was on the 13th, and that you knew it from the fact of the time the partner of the house was absent ?

A. I do not know that I remember distinctly.

Q. What date did you tell the deputy marshal, Mr. Covell, he was in your store?

A. After consulting the books I could not have told him other than are mentioned there.

Q. Did you tell him the date ?

A. I do not know; but if I did, I could not have told him any other date than that in the books.

Q. Did you tell him anything about it?

A. O, he spoke to me about it, saying that I had said to Mr. Knapp that it was on the 12th.

Q. What did you tell him ?
A. I could not have fixed any date other than that on our books.
Q. I ask you what you told him?

A. Do you suppose I am obliged to give everything I say to a person without; being as I am now?

Q. What is the matter with you now?
A. I am placed on oath, and I understand my position very well.
Q. Did you tell him a different thing before you were on oath ?
A. (With great empha is :) No, sir.
Q. Then we do not understand what you mean.
A. Then you and I are just alike, because I do not really understand you.

Q. Did you tell the deputy marshal anything about the time you saw the man come into the store ? Do you understand ?

A. Yes, sir; anything in the English language, I understand, I think.
Q. Will you answer the question, then ?
A. I could not have fixed the date any other than I have done.
Q. Do you think that is an answer to my question ?

The Court. If you recollect, you can say so, and if you do not, you can say 80. You must answer “yes” or

Mr. PIERREPONT. I will repeat.

Q. Did you say anything to the deputy marshal about the date at which the man came into your store ?

A. I do not remember distinctly.
Q. Do you remember at all whether you did ?

A. Well, he came in very hurriedly, and asked me if I was going to Washington; said he, I would like to know the time, and see if we cannot go together. We might have had some conversation relative to the matter, but as to the date, I do not know that I remember distinctly.

Q. What conversation did you have relative to the matter ?

A. He told me that he supposed he would have to go to Washington, and if 80, he would like to go when we did, as it would be much more pleasant, and more comfortable.

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then tell him what the date was when the man came into your store ?

A. I might have; but I could not have told him accurately, without consulting our books. Q. Did you tell him inaccurately? A. I do not distinctly remember. Q. Did you tell him that it was on the 13th ? A. I know the first time was on the afternoon of the 13th. Q. Was that what you told him ? A. I cannot distinctly remember. Q. What did you tell him, is what I am asking you?

A. So many persons ask questions about that time, that it would be almost impossible for me to remember.

Q. Did you tell Mr. Knapp what time he came in ?
A. I do not distinctly remember.

Q. Did you tell the deputy marshal, or Mr. Knapp, that the man who came into the store was in your opinion a tailor ?

A. I did not.
Q. Neither of them ?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you tell them that the man said he was a tailor ?
A. I did not.
Q. Did you say anything to either of them on the subject of the man being a
tailor ?

A. I did not.
Q. Did you tell either of these gentlemen that he came in on the 14th ?
A. If I told them anything at all. I said the 13th or 14th.

Q. Did you tell them anything about the day on which he came into your store ? If so, what was it ?

A. I do not distinctly remember.
Q. Do you remember indistinctly?

A. I was very busily engaged at the time the marshal came in, and I do not remember distinctly.

Q Do you know Colonel Foster ? A. I do not. Q. Do you know a man named Roberts, a detective ? A. I do not. Q. Did you talk with two men who came to see you together awhile ago ? A. I do not remember of speaking to any persons particularly. Q. Do you remember speaking to any persons since the trial commenced, in relation to the date you saw the man you call Surratt at your place-one, Mr. Roberts, and the other, Colonel Foster ?

A. I do not know any person named Mr. Roberts, or Colonel Foster.

Q. Do you remember any two persons coming and talking with you since the trial commenced, who were not living in your place?

A. I do not remember.
Q. Is it your best memory that nobody-strangers—did talk with you ?
A. I do not know anything about it.

Q. Do you easily remember the faces of people that you have held some conversation with ? A. I think I do.

By Mr. BRADLEY : Q. Did these parties, Knapp and Covell, understand that you had been summoned here as a witness by the defence ?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Knowing that, they came and talked with you about it?

A. They came and talked with me about it. I do not know whether it was knowingly or not, but I presume it was.

Q. They understood you were coming here as a witness for the defence ?
A. Yes, sir, of course, or otherwise they would not have asked these questions.
Q. With that knowledge, they came to you and had that conversation ?

A I cannot say whether it was knowingly or not. It was a small town, and every person knows the other person's business, and I suppose they knew.

Q. Did any of these gentlemen who called on you represent that they came on the part of the defendant ?

A. Those gentlemen that I spoke to were for the prosecution, as I understood it. They were summoned here, but of course I knew nothing as to why they were summoned.

By Mr. PIERREPONT : Q. Then you did understand that those two who came were for the progecution?

A. I knew they were summoned here.
Q. Have you taken any interest in this trial ?
A. Not particularly.
Q. Did you in any of the former trials of the conspirators ?
A. I did not.
Q. Did you express any sentiments about the war while it was going on ?
A. I did not.
Q. You did not take either side ?
A. I do not know that I made an expression on either side.
Q. You did not care?

A. Yes I did. I wished the success of the Union, of course, ecause I had a son in the Union army.

Q. That was the reason? Å. I was interested in where I resided, as I suppose all men are, are they Dot? Mr. RIDDLE—(sotto voce)—Some don't seem to be.

By Mr. BRADLEY: Q. Do you recollect my son ? A. I do. Q. Did he call to see you last fall ? A. Yes, sir. Q. Who was with him; do you remember? A. I did not know your son at the time; I was sent for to Mr. Robinson's office.

Q. Is not Mr. Robinson of the highest character in the profession there ? (Objected to by Mr. Pierrepont.)

By Mr. MERRICK: Q. At the time Mr. Bradley called upon you and before you consulted your

? books, was it not impossible for you to fix the date at which you saw the man

A. Of course it would have been impossible. Q. The only way you could find the date was by your books ? A. Yes, sir. Q. When did you first examine your books for the purpose of ascertaining the date! A. I asked the bookkeeper to see what those dates were. Q. How long before you came on? A. I could not remember distinctly. Q. Since last March?

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