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A. I am a cutter in a clothing establishment.
Q. Do you recollect any gentleman coming into the store about the time of the assassination of the President dressed in any peculiar manner ?
A. I do. Q. Who attended to the man in the store ? A. I did. Q. Describe his dress. A. He wore a coat with a shoulder-piece on, pleated in front and behind, of mixed goods.
Q. When you say “mixed goods" do you mean gray ?
A. I do not mean gray exactly. I mean a sort of brownish color. There were a variety of colors in it.
Q. Anything else peculiar about the dress, except the pleats, &c.?
Q. Can you state whether you were in expectation of those goods, and said anything on the subject of expecting them?
(Objected to by Mr. PIERREPONT. Objection sustained.)
Q. When did he get back ?
Q. Did you have any conversation with him?
Cross-examined by Mr. PIERREPONT :
Q. Did you have a conversation with any one in which you told them the man you saw there you thought was a tailor?
A. No, sir.
talk with bim about it? A. He came into the store one day and I think we spoke something on the subject. I know we did.
Q. Do you remember what you told Knapp?
A. He spoke to me something about it, and said that if I was going to Washington he would like to go when I did, and asked me if I knew anything about the matter. I remember speaking something about him. I do not distinctly remember the amount of words we used at that time.
Q. At any time do you remember telling him anything about thinking that he was a tailor?
A. I never did. I never thought he was a tailor.
A. I spoke to him about his dress. It was a sort of dress that was rather peculiar.
Q. You told Mr. Knapp so?
Q. Did you tell Mr. Kaapp that you knew on what day you saw him, from the fact of knowing from the books at what day one of the partners was in New York? A. It may be that I did not know at that time. Q. Did you tell him that you did know the day, from that fact?
A. I knew the date Mr. Ufford went to New York, and of course I could not state any other date.
Q. Did you tell Mr. Ufford so ?
Q. Didn't you tell Mr Ufford that it was on the 13th, and that you knew it from the fact of the time the partner of the house was absent ?
A. I do not know that I remember distinctly.
Q. What date did you tell the deputy marshal, Mr. Covell, he was in your store?
A. After consulting the books I could not have told him other than are mentioned there.
Q. Did you tell him the date ?
A. I do not know; but if I did, I could not have told him any other date than that in the books.
Q. Did you tell him anything about it?
A. O, he spoke to me about it, saying that I had said to Mr. Knapp that it was on the 12th.
Q. What did you tell him ?
A. Do you suppose I am obliged to give everything I say to a person without; being as I am now?
Q. What is the matter with you now?
Q. Did you tell the deputy marshal anything about the time you saw the man come into the store ? Do you understand ?
A. Yes, sir; anything in the English language, I understand, I think.
The Court. If you recollect, you can say so, and if you do not, you can say 80. You must answer “yes” or
Mr. PIERREPONT. I will repeat.
Q. Did you say anything to the deputy marshal about the date at which the man came into your store ?
A. I do not remember distinctly.
A. Well, he came in very hurriedly, and asked me if I was going to Washington; said he, I would like to know the time, and see if we cannot go together. We might have had some conversation relative to the matter, but as to the date, I do not know that I remember distinctly.
Q. What conversation did you have relative to the matter ?
A. He told me that he supposed he would have to go to Washington, and if 80, he would like to go when we did, as it would be much more pleasant, and more comfortable.
then tell him what the date was when the man came into your store ?
A. I might have; but I could not have told him accurately, without consulting our books. Q. Did you tell him inaccurately? A. I do not distinctly remember. Q. Did you tell him that it was on the 13th ? A. I know the first time was on the afternoon of the 13th. Q. Was that what you told him ? A. I cannot distinctly remember. Q. What did you tell him, is what I am asking you?
A. So many persons ask questions about that time, that it would be almost impossible for me to remember.
Q. Did you tell Mr. Knapp what time he came in ?
Q. Did you tell the deputy marshal, or Mr. Knapp, that the man who came into the store was in your opinion a tailor ?
A. I did not.
A. I did not.
Q. Did you tell them anything about the day on which he came into your store ? If so, what was it ?
A. I do not distinctly remember.
A. I was very busily engaged at the time the marshal came in, and I do not remember distinctly.
Q Do you know Colonel Foster ? A. I do not. Q. Do you know a man named Roberts, a detective ? A. I do not. Q. Did you talk with two men who came to see you together awhile ago ? A. I do not remember of speaking to any persons particularly. Q. Do you remember speaking to any persons since the trial commenced, in relation to the date you saw the man you call Surratt at your place-one, Mr. Roberts, and the other, Colonel Foster ?
A. I do not know any person named Mr. Roberts, or Colonel Foster.
Q. Do you remember any two persons coming and talking with you since the trial commenced, who were not living in your place?
A. I do not remember.
Q. Do you easily remember the faces of people that you have held some conversation with ? A. I think I do.
By Mr. BRADLEY : Q. Did these parties, Knapp and Covell, understand that you had been summoned here as a witness by the defence ?
A. Yes, sir.
A. They came and talked with me about it. I do not know whether it was knowingly or not, but I presume it was.
Q. They understood you were coming here as a witness for the defence ?
A I cannot say whether it was knowingly or not. It was a small town, and every person knows the other person's business, and I suppose they knew.
Q. Did any of these gentlemen who called on you represent that they came on the part of the defendant ?
A. Those gentlemen that I spoke to were for the prosecution, as I understood it. They were summoned here, but of course I knew nothing as to why they were summoned.
By Mr. PIERREPONT : Q. Then you did understand that those two who came were for the progecution?
A. I knew they were summoned here.
A. Yes I did. I wished the success of the Union, of course, ecause I had a son in the Union army.
Q. That was the reason? Å. I was interested in where I resided, as I suppose all men are, are they Dot? Mr. RIDDLE—(sotto voce)—Some don't seem to be.
By Mr. BRADLEY: Q. Do you recollect my son ? A. I do. Q. Did he call to see you last fall ? A. Yes, sir. Q. Who was with him; do you remember? A. I did not know your son at the time; I was sent for to Mr. Robinson's office.
Q. Is not Mr. Robinson of the highest character in the profession there ? (Objected to by Mr. Pierrepont.)
By Mr. MERRICK: Q. At the time Mr. Bradley called upon you and before you consulted your
? books, was it not impossible for you to fix the date at which you saw the man
A. Of course it would have been impossible. Q. The only way you could find the date was by your books ? A. Yes, sir. Q. When did you first examine your books for the purpose of ascertaining the date! A. I asked the bookkeeper to see what those dates were. Q. How long before you came on? A. I could not remember distinctly. Q. Since last March?