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HEARINGS
BEFORE A
SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS AND SURVEYS
UNITED STATES SENATE
SIXTY-NINTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
PURSUANT TO
S. Res. 347
TO INVESTIGATE ALL MATTERS RELATING TO NATIONAL
FORESTS AND THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND
THEIR ADMINISTRATION
CONTENTS
NEW MEXICO HEARINGS, ALBUQUERQUE, N. MEX., OCTOBER 9, 1925
Charles M. O'Donel, Bell Ranch, N. Mex., president New Mexico Cattle
and Horse Growers' Association, first vice president the American
National Livestock Association___
Page
3495
The forest reserves--.
3496
Resolution adopted by the New Mexico Cattle and Horse Growers'
Association, March 25, 1924, approving the revised grazing regu-
lations and the Rachford range-appraisal report---
3497
3498
The public domain-----
History of attitude of the American National Livestock Associa-
tion relative to the public domain___
Resolution adopted by the American National Livestock Associa-
tion, February 1, 1923, urging Government control of the public
domain
Resolution of the New Mexico Cattle and Horse Growers' Associa-
tion, March 16, 1923, abandoning former position in favor of State
ownership of the public domain and indorsing the leasing policy
of the American National Livestock Association----.
The Kent bill to create grazing districts out of the public domain.
Action of the American National Livestock Association relative to
the disposition of the unappropriated public lands of the United
States at the eleventh annual convention of the American Na-
tional Livestock Association held in Denver, Colo., January 21
and 22, 1908....
List of local and State livestock associations represented__.
Report of the committee on resolutions_____.
3499
3500
3501
3502
3504
3505
Remarks of Dan Casement (appointed in 1925 by Secretary
Jardine, of the Department of Agriculture, to make a report
on the Rachford range appraisal)__.
3508
Remarks of R. de Graftenreid..
Remarks of Victor Culbertson, Silver City, N. Mex---
Analysis of the Finney bill to regulate grazing on the public domain.
Grazing leases on an area basis----
3509
3512
A long-term lease-A 10-year lease--
Department of Agriculture or the Department of the Interior?.
Opposed to the cession of the public domain to the State___.
3513
3514
3517
Hon. Andrieus A. Jones, United States Senator from New Mexico,
statement of conditions in the livestock industry in New Mexico...
Hon. John Morrow, Member of Congress, Raton, N. Mex..
Facts and figures regarding the public lands in New Mexico_..
Untaxable and taxable lands in New Mexico_---
3518
3621
The public domain----
Victor Culbertson, cattleman, Silver City, N. Mex----.
The forest reserves--
Opposed to turning the public domain over to the State__
Laurence F. Lee, representing the New Mexico Sheep and Wool Growers'
Association, Albuquerque, N. Mex.........–
Resolution of the New Mexico Sheep and Wool Growers' Associa-
tion, April 22, 1925, urging the passage of the so-called Finney bill
Advantage of bringing public domain under definite control..
Stabilizing the livestock industry-long-term leases on an area
basis...
3523
3524
3525
3536
3537
3538
Opposed to State ownership of the public domain.........
The checkerboard area-The right to exchange lands...
Resumed-Reason for unwillingness of permittees to testify-
3539
3540
3564
William R. Morley, cattleman, Datil, N. Mex---.
The forest reserves, inexperience of the rangers--
Grazing on an area basis__.
Allocation of grazing rights---.
Favors turning the public domain over to the State_-
Administration of State lands by the State land commissioner.
John A. Lusk, cattleman, New Mexico____
3550
3553
---
B. S. Rodey, ex-Congressman from the State of New Mexico‒‒‒‒
C. F. Monroe, director of extension of the State College, State College
N. Mex----
The so-called Finney bill regulating grazing on the public domain__
Alonzo B. McMillen, lawyer and stockman, Albuquerque, N. Mex...--
Necessity for stabilization of livestock industry and importance of
regulation of the public domain-----
3569
3571
The future of homesteading on the public domain_
State taxation and the value of the public domain....
3574
3576
Prager Miller, president New Mexico Wool Growers' Association, Ros-
well, N. Mex----
3578
Homesteading on the public domain_.
3580
Personally in favor of turning the public domain over to the State,
though association opposes it....
3582
H. L. Kent, president Agricultural College, State College, N. Mex..
Depletion of New Mexico ranges.
The preference right to a lease and position of many bankers in
New Mexico_---
3590
ALBUQUERQUE, N. MEX., OCTOBER 10, 1925
W. T. Evans, Santa Fe, N. Mex., communication from__.
3591
The 320-acre enlarged homestead act of February 19, 1909_
The 640-acre stock-raising homestead act of December 29, 1916_-.
The desert land law--.
H. J. Hagerman, president the South Spring Ranch & Cattle Co., Ros-
well, N. Mex____
3596
Depletion of the New Mexico ranges..
Government regulation of the public domain-The so-called Finney
bill
Ralph Carr, representing the Conejos Sheep Growers' Association, Auto-
nito, Conejos County, Colo‒‒‒‒‒
3603
Protest against the inelasticity of the Forest Service rules and regu-
lations___
James C. Smith, representing the middle Rio Grande conservancy district,
City Hall, Albuquerque, N. Mex..
3608
Federal cooperation and the reclamation project--
3609
Article prepared by Colonel Robinson, United States Irrigation
Service, regarding the reclamation project_-_.
James C. Smith, etc.-Continued.
Public lands should be transferred to the State and the proceeds
of grazing leases used for reclamation development---
3611
3613
L E. Merchant, cattleman, Carlsbad, Eddy County, N. Mex...
Public domain problem in Lee County, southeastern New Mexico___.
F. R. Marshall, secretary National Wool Growers' Association, Salt
Lake City, Utah----
Economic principles involved in the recommendations of the joint
conference of stockmen at Salt Lake City, Utah, Aug. 24 and 25,
1925.
Social responsibility policy of the Forest Service..
Necessity for stability-leasing on an area basis..
Statement of Col. W. B. Greeley, Chief Forester United States Forest Service, at the Salt Lake joint conference of stockmen compared with his testimony before the committee at Pendleton, Oreg., Sept. 11, 1925.
3618
3619
3620
Suggested plan of forest reserve grazing legislation submitted by
Forest Service officials to Idaho stockmen__
Suggested legislation is wholly inadequate-----
3623
Salt Lake platform-less Government regulation and more private
control.
Appeals from adverse decisions of Forest Service officials_
Basis for determining grazing_fees----
3624
3625
Recommendations of District Forester Rutledge, Ogden, Utah, con-
The so-called Finney bill to regulate grazing on the public domain__
3630
E. B. Swope, commissioner of public lands, State of New Mexico, Santa
Fe, N. Mex...
Matter of contests of 250 sections of coal lands in McKinley-San
Juan Counties____
The State of New Mexico's 27,000 acres of timber lands-exchange
of State lands for Federal lands__.
3631
Turning over the public domain to the State...
Relation between location of the public domain, forest reserves, rail-
road lands, and State lands_-_.
3632
3634
Application of the leasing system to the public domain-problem
of State lands____
3636
H. L. Kent, resumed---
3639
Telegrams from R. C. Sowder, member of the executive committee
New Mexico Cattle and Horse Growers' Association, Roswell, N.
Mex
G. 8. Downer, lawyer, Albuquerque, N. Mex., representing the regents of
the University of New Mexico...
3640
The University of New Mexico lands-The oil-royalty controversy-- 3641
B. C. Hernandez, internal revenue collector of the New Mexico district,
Albuquerque, N. Mex.
3646
Turning the public domain over to the State--.
Difficulties of the leasing system being applied to the public domain
in parts of New Mexico------
Sale of isolated tracts, leasing of remainder of the public domain__
Frank Hubbell, cattle and sheepman, Albuquerque, N. Mex...
Opposed to turning over the public domain to the State..
3649
3650
Favors leasing public domain.
3653
The Rio Grande Valley reclamation project....
J. F. Branson, cattleman, Albuquerque, N. Mex., the checkerboard land
problem...
3658
Frank Bond, letter from, regarding public land problems in New Mexico.
House Joint Memorial No. 3, seventh legislature, State of New Mexico,
introduced by Hon. R. A. Chazez, of Guadalupe County, memorializing
Congress to amend section 9 of the stockraising homestead act-_- ---- 3659
Tom Charles, stockman, Alamogordo, N. Mex., letter from, regarding
public-land problems in New Mexico...
3660
3654
3656